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11/24/09
It makes sense that carrying more sizes would increase profit, but then I know Old Navy shunted their plus size stuff online. Was that a brand decision or was it honestly not selling? It doesn't really matter what size the average woman wears if the people buying clothing aren't distributed across sizes the same way.
11/24/09
I wonder if part of the reason why plus sizes are disappearing is the popularity of online shopping. It doesn't make much sense to not try anything on if you are having fit problems. However, I can wear anything from an 18 in regular misses sizes to a 22w or 25 in juniors plus. There is no standardization. Sometimes it is more convenient to order online than to waste hours at the mall, hoping that a store has my size.
11/24/09
I was really surprised when the plus sizes disappeared from the Old Navy in NYC because they seem to do crazy business in every section, but I tend to doubt they would get rid of a profitable division. Old Navy isn't Donna Karan- there is no image. I would guess that some women are uncomfortable with their size and don't like to shop, some do what I do, and because plus sized women tend to be older, they have more clothes to begin with.
Re: sizing. Sizing isn't standardized well, but what you're describing doesn't surprise me. Juniors is designed to be the smallest (and shortest) since it is meant for teens- an 8 in juniors is supposed to be smaller than an 8 in misses.
11/24/09
(Like, for example, why do they make size 20 daisy dukes? Why does Sears corporate buy as many of them as they do for size 2, and then when they don't sell, designers' take-away is that fat women don't buy clothes.)
11/24/09
The only problem with this plan is that it would require me to actually buy your clothes.
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Every time there's a miserable retailer "didn't hit our target" report, I just want to slap them all and shout, "I had money and NO WHERE TO SPEND IT, you MORONS!"
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to wear clothes meant for a 17-year-old sylph. It is neither age- nor lifestyle-appropriate for me, and the only other options are active wear and suits -- what about just regular clothes that don't show my boobs to my coworkers?
Gap used to be pretty good for me, but they've decided providing awesome, wearable jeans for people who don't look good OR don't want to go around in denim leggings is not the direction they want to go in.
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However, I'll go have an actual try-on to be fair, since you say they're awesome now (still? And because they were my go-to, and I hate having start over for basics and classic stuff).
Thanks!
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but i would def give it a shot. i personally loved the "long and lean" cuts, "curvy" fit was nice as well. beware of the skinny though! i'll let youfigure out who that's clearly supposed to be for.
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I've lost weight in the past 2 years. I've gone down a size or two in the low-to-mid designers. But I still wear the same size in designer clothing (bought at a discount!).
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This may not be true, but judging by experience of shopping sales (where you usually find the tiniest and largest sizes on the racks) I can see it being the case. If you think of it this way it does make a bit more sense why designers wouldn't feel tons of pressure to extend their lines sizes to go into plus sizes or petites.
11/24/09
and in my experience, the only clothes that fit me are mom clothes from mom stores. also, the sale racks i see are STUFFED with 2s, 6s, and 10s
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I think that quote you mentioned is just one to encourage inner beauty and not worry too much about weight. I find it much more healthy then this one.
11/20/09
It's hard to please everyone, which is why I'm not really pissed at her for saying any of this stuff, because I don't think she meant harm to anyone. Everyone takes what they hear and applies it in their own unique way. But I just think of all the less conventionally beautiful people in the world and wonder how a statement like that would make them feel, coming from a supermodel.
11/20/09
The way Moss' statement contrasts eating with thinness also perpetuates the idea that weight is determined by food intake; i.e., that it's possible (and good) to get/stay 'thin' by eating less -- certainly not true for a huge proportion of the population.
11/20/09
I agree with you that that phrase probably shouldn't be used very often, but I was just making a point that her original statement is something I would never say. It's not like I was qualifying the one thing with the other.
11/21/09
I don't know that that's necessarily a problem. I think the problem arises from the assumption that if one has those habits, one will automatically be thin. That's not the case, nor is its inverse -- if you 'overeat' and don't make 'healthful choices', you will automatically be 'fat' -- true.
I know you know some people who eat huge amounts of junk all the time and are rail-thin.
(If you don't, I can introduce you to several of my annoying cousins.)
I'm also sure you know the purported definition of 'fat' varies, in the U.S. practically according to coast. Someone who's deemed 'skinny' at size 4 in the midwest can also be perceived as 'fat' in Beverly Hills.
It's the linkage between eating habits and body size that's at issue in your statement. Correlation doesn't equal causation.
11/20/09
I guess both SKINNY and MEDIOCRITY sells.
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Of course, boys and men make stupid statements but very rarely having to do with body image.
Kate should know better given the rampant body abuse, self-mutilation and esteem issues in her industry.
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11/25/09
Kate doesn't know better. The drugs have taken their toll.
11/20/09
Plus, I'm not sure we know how skinny feels in a vacuum. We value and idealize certain body types over others. So psychologically, meeting the beauty ideal may "feel good"...but it might not be achieved in a healthy way, or actually be healthy, or result in actually feeling good so much as feeling like we meet the ideal.
11/21/09
But ... deprivation in order to please others is a requisite for the well-behaved modern woman! Where are your morals, young lady?
*has vapors, faints*
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