I just emailed this to my papa. He's religious in his watching of "Washington Week."
He'll be happy she wore bright blue. He's told me he thinks softer colors wash her out. And that is the one and only thing I have ever heard him say about fashion other than "I don't get it."
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When I saw this last night, the first thing I was reminded of was a quote from Reese Witherspoon:
"I feel there are certain people who are systematically ripping [feminism] down because of their lack of regard and their ignorance about what the women before us had to go through." Is she referring to Hollywood power brokers, or to starlets like Jessica Simpson and Paris Hilton, whose fame plays on certain stereotypes? She doesn't even pause. "I don't think these women are stupid. I think they're selling a personality that's very marketable: 'Wouldn't it be fun if we were all gorgeous and didn't have a care?' But creating a cultural icon out of someone who goes, 'I'm stupid, isn't it cute?' makes me want to throw daggers at them! I want to say to them, 'My grandma did not fight for what she fought for, and my mother did not fight for what she fought for, so you can start telling women it's fun to be stupid.' Saying that to young women, little girls, my daughter? It's not okay."
The sad thing about it is, there is such a strong culture of mistrust and negativity toward intellect, as Stewart put it, that FOX viewers would apparently rather have a woman they can relate to because she's as "simple" as they are than one they can actually look up to. That this is applied especially to women just adds a whole 'nother layer of gross and pathetic.
It's a culture that's promoted by these highly educated (so-called) "elites", too, as though they just want a brainless following who won't actually dare get personally involved in politics, but simply go along with whatever they're told.
Essentially, it's a big "fuck you" to a group of people perceived by their "leaders" as stupid, uneducated, poor, desperate, and "un-improvable" - only disguised as a hug and a cup of hot chocolate. Which I guess would also explain all that bullshit the Republicans were throwing around when Obama made his "notorious" "stay in school!' speech - and how the "outrage" was justified because kids might actually develop the capacity to make decisions for themselves. And why all these wealthy, educated Republicans spend so much time convincing people without medical insurance that socialism is EVOL.
This kind of blind political dogma is just so fucking terrifying. You have to wonder what these people really want, because talk about a fucking Master Plan.
This is just so gross, I think I need a shower after seeing this video. We spend so much time telling young girls about the benefits of being genuine and smart, that they don't need to play dumb so they can get people to like them (out of fear that they will actually stop learning at school or valuing education before they make something out of themselves). And now, we see this hot mess... a grown woman with talent, real smarts, and superior academic credentials, yet whose career has been entirely based on being fake, playing dumb, and condescending to an audience she probably looks down on. But if you call her out on this, she'll probably say that her version of feminism gave her the "choice" to be and act like she pleases, even if it's to the detriment of other women. Well I call B.S. and hope she gets properly and publicly shamed for selling out in such a disgusting way.
Enh....whether she's faking it or not...fuck her. Fuck all of them.
Sorry, that's all I got.
I knew "Fox and Friends" was bad, but after those clips...man.
If she's "faking" stupid in order to say stupid, fearmongering things about Obama, she sold me. The ends here are the same, regardless of the means, yes?
And here's the thing--SHE wanted to work on Fox. They can't have someone with intellectual integrity or dignity sullying up the tone of the show, can they?
I get it--she's despicable because she (if not Janet and Jack--HA!) should know better. It's like Jon (swoon) pointed out--the stupidity and self-congratulatory, hateful ignorance Fox manufactures is doubly bad when spouted by people who pursued an higher education in their past and should otherwise probably know better, but exaggerate or bald-faced lie to indulge an audience with base or fear-influenced instincts.
If she wants this job so badly or actually, personally dislikes Obama so much that she thinks it's kosher to to imply Obama is some sort of tyrant (or, at least, in league with them), why should that Stanford degree get in her way?
It's brilliant--she can express irrational or indefensible loathing for Obama passively aggressively (Chavez DOES have a point; I won't say he's IGNORANT, but he IS a lawyer, so uh...you make up your mind, folks, one goes with the other).
Guess it's harder to play shit like that when, you know, you also have to pretend you're literate. I have plenty of problems with Obama, but I'll take Rachel Maddow's criticisms over this twit (don't care if she studied at Oxford, she plays a twit to work on this show and that's all that matters) any day.
Another thing---isn't an "ignoramus" just a word of ignorant PERSON, period?
How come the other non-Fox 24 hour networks (other than Maddow, Olbermann and--though my hormones might be talking--A Coop, a little) do what the Daily Show and the Colbert Report can?
I guess a variety show doesn't face the same restraints or the penalties that come with "professionalism" in contemporary media, huh?
I found that play reference too. Girlfriend doesn't just lie about being stupid, she lies about Google...or at least, lays on the stupidity extra thick by being (pretending to be?) illiterate. Had to work extra hard to legitimize an accusation from Chavez without actually owning her agreement.
I love the way he handled this. It could have been one long riff on dumb blonde jokes, but he calls her out on being a really smart and talented person who's BETTER THAN THAT.
Okay I really, really, really hate to ever even remotely defend a Fox News anchor, but I have always found it obnoxious that when someone is explaining to the viewing audience they say something like "well, of course," or "as we all know," to introduce it. Maybe that's because they're often defining something I didn't know before, and I don't appreciate my damn TV calling me a moron, or, as I Googled it, an ignorant lawyer. So although I hate how she's using this framework to set up what is actually a very inaccurate and biased and sneakily passive aggressive definition, I can see why it might be more relateable to say "well, I looked it up, and for all you out there, it means," because you're not calling out the audience for needing a term or idea to be defined. So it's not the "ditz" act there that bothered me, but what followed it.
@annebreal: It would be easy enough to say, "...ignoramus, which is a [definition here]" though, instead of her overdone "Gosh, I wondered, what does this word mean? So I decided to Google it, and guess what it means?" schtick. I mean, is a dictionary too elitist? Is that why they're using Google?
Plus, it's doubly disingenuous that she's using her ditz act to attack the "liberal elite", of which she was arguably a member.
Gretchen, you're out. Of the women. You're out. Pack up your tampons and leave. Bad enough we have dumb broads with big mouths, tiny brains, and a large audience (Palin, Prejean) spreading the illusion of female inferiority - but to have a smart one do this ON PURPOSE is unforgivable.
Seriously- I MET her back when she was Miss Minnesota, and she is a fucking genius and had she not won Miss America, she would have had a full ride at Julliard- or a Rhodes Scholar. She had all that going for her and now she is this..Blech.
This was awesome and totally deserved. Gretchen, how do you sleep at night? You are clearly a woman who has done a lot to be very successful in life. You have studied hard, excelled, applied to and attended the best schools, obtained quite a respectable career, and yet now you act like you don't know what "Czar" means. You pretend like you had to look it up! Girl, you and I both know that shit was something we learned in fucking middle school. And you know you got a 100% on that vocab quiz, too. Stop.it.now.
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@JinxyMcDeath: The "czar" thing especially pisses me off because people act like it's an official title, but it's not. It's basically a nickname, because "secretary of the department of the whoza whatsit and something else" is really long and cumbersome to say. Obviously none of these people have any real "czar-like" powers. It's ridiculous.
[Scene: Gretchen Carlson sitting in a nice office in front of a large desk. Enter Fox executive]
Fox exec: Okay, Gretchen, we loved your audition. You have a face for TV, babe! There's just one thing.
Gretchen: What's that?
Fox exec: You're too smart. We're going to need you to dumb it down.
Gretchen: But I went to Stanford and Oxford! The British one.
Fox: We need watchers to identify with your folksy soccer mom charm.
Gretchen: But this is the 21st century; women are allowed to have opinions and think for themselves. I joined the show to talk seriously about my political opinions.
Fox: *Chuckle* That's real cute, Gretch.
Gretchen: I don't even know how to be dumb.
Fox: Remember that girl growing up that you never wanted to be? Be her.
[Fox executive exits. Gretchen wipes her eyes, fixes her makeup and exits. End scene.]
Which is worse for Stanford's reputation as a venerable university:
(1) Graduates of Stanford don't know what "czar" or "ignoramus" mean.
(2) Graduates of Stanford are willing to pretend not to know what "czar" or "ignoramus" mean in order to condescend to the uneducated and pick up a fat paycheck on a national news program.
@nancydrewme: Stanford has a reputation as a liberal school? That's news to me. But I went to Berkeley, so Stanford was always considered the fascist school compared to the Marxist one an hour away.
@emfish55: And Megyn Kelly has done wonders for the reps of Albany and Syracuse... But, at least Kelly is careful enough to avoid stating blatant errors of fact, and frequently corrects her co-anchors (and Bill O'Reilly) when they are too drunk on the Kool-Aid.
It's funny that they are both intellectually outshined by the monopoly of common sense on Fox, Shepard Smith, who went to University of Mississippi.
@emfish55: Woah, woah, woah...every school has it's share of assholes. EVEN Berkeley (yes, there's a Young Republicans or whatnot chapter there). The dipshits they produce do not outweigh the socially conscious and responsible majority just b/c they aren't on TV or in government.
@KiddyKat: My comment was a joke. I know Stanford's a good school and I know great people who went there. I just think it's funny that any way you slice it, Carlson is either dumb/ignorant or cynical/unethical. Neither of which is befitting a graduate of any school, but especially not one with a reputation like Stanford's.
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He'll be happy she wore bright blue. He's told me he thinks softer colors wash her out. And that is the one and only thing I have ever heard him say about fashion other than "I don't get it."
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"I feel there are certain people who are systematically ripping [feminism] down because of their lack of regard and their ignorance about what the women before us had to go through." Is she referring to Hollywood power brokers, or to starlets like Jessica Simpson and Paris Hilton, whose fame plays on certain stereotypes? She doesn't even pause. "I don't think these women are stupid. I think they're selling a personality that's very marketable: 'Wouldn't it be fun if we were all gorgeous and didn't have a care?' But creating a cultural icon out of someone who goes, 'I'm stupid, isn't it cute?' makes me want to throw daggers at them! I want to say to them, 'My grandma did not fight for what she fought for, and my mother did not fight for what she fought for, so you can start telling women it's fun to be stupid.' Saying that to young women, little girls, my daughter? It's not okay."
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It's a culture that's promoted by these highly educated (so-called) "elites", too, as though they just want a brainless following who won't actually dare get personally involved in politics, but simply go along with whatever they're told.
Essentially, it's a big "fuck you" to a group of people perceived by their "leaders" as stupid, uneducated, poor, desperate, and "un-improvable" - only disguised as a hug and a cup of hot chocolate. Which I guess would also explain all that bullshit the Republicans were throwing around when Obama made his "notorious" "stay in school!' speech - and how the "outrage" was justified because kids might actually develop the capacity to make decisions for themselves. And why all these wealthy, educated Republicans spend so much time convincing people without medical insurance that socialism is EVOL.
This kind of blind political dogma is just so fucking terrifying. You have to wonder what these people really want, because talk about a fucking Master Plan.
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Sorry, that's all I got.
I knew "Fox and Friends" was bad, but after those clips...man.
If she's "faking" stupid in order to say stupid, fearmongering things about Obama, she sold me. The ends here are the same, regardless of the means, yes?
And here's the thing--SHE wanted to work on Fox. They can't have someone with intellectual integrity or dignity sullying up the tone of the show, can they?
I get it--she's despicable because she (if not Janet and Jack--HA!) should know better. It's like Jon (swoon) pointed out--the stupidity and self-congratulatory, hateful ignorance Fox manufactures is doubly bad when spouted by people who pursued an higher education in their past and should otherwise probably know better, but exaggerate or bald-faced lie to indulge an audience with base or fear-influenced instincts.
If she wants this job so badly or actually, personally dislikes Obama so much that she thinks it's kosher to to imply Obama is some sort of tyrant (or, at least, in league with them), why should that Stanford degree get in her way?
It's brilliant--she can express irrational or indefensible loathing for Obama passively aggressively (Chavez DOES have a point; I won't say he's IGNORANT, but he IS a lawyer, so uh...you make up your mind, folks, one goes with the other).
Guess it's harder to play shit like that when, you know, you also have to pretend you're literate. I have plenty of problems with Obama, but I'll take Rachel Maddow's criticisms over this twit (don't care if she studied at Oxford, she plays a twit to work on this show and that's all that matters) any day.
Another thing---isn't an "ignoramus" just a word of ignorant PERSON, period?
How come the other non-Fox 24 hour networks (other than Maddow, Olbermann and--though my hormones might be talking--A Coop, a little) do what the Daily Show and the Colbert Report can?
I guess a variety show doesn't face the same restraints or the penalties that come with "professionalism" in contemporary media, huh?
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That's the only connection Ignoramus has with lawyers, ignorant or otherwise.
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I found that play reference too. Girlfriend doesn't just lie about being stupid, she lies about Google...or at least, lays on the stupidity extra thick by being (pretending to be?) illiterate. Had to work extra hard to legitimize an accusation from Chavez without actually owning her agreement.
Ugh...what shitfaces they all are.
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Plus, it's doubly disingenuous that she's using her ditz act to attack the "liberal elite", of which she was arguably a member.
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Seriously- I MET her back when she was Miss Minnesota, and she is a fucking genius and had she not won Miss America, she would have had a full ride at Julliard- or a Rhodes Scholar. She had all that going for her and now she is this..Blech.
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Fox exec: Okay, Gretchen, we loved your audition. You have a face for TV, babe! There's just one thing.
Gretchen: What's that?
Fox exec: You're too smart. We're going to need you to dumb it down.
Gretchen: But I went to Stanford and Oxford! The British one.
Fox: We need watchers to identify with your folksy soccer mom charm.
Gretchen: But this is the 21st century; women are allowed to have opinions and think for themselves. I joined the show to talk seriously about my political opinions.
Fox: *Chuckle* That's real cute, Gretch.
Gretchen: I don't even know how to be dumb.
Fox: Remember that girl growing up that you never wanted to be? Be her.
[Fox executive exits. Gretchen wipes her eyes, fixes her makeup and exits. End scene.]
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(1) Graduates of Stanford don't know what "czar" or "ignoramus" mean.
(2) Graduates of Stanford are willing to pretend not to know what "czar" or "ignoramus" mean in order to condescend to the uneducated and pick up a fat paycheck on a national news program.
Discuss.
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It's funny that they are both intellectually outshined by the monopoly of common sense on Fox, Shepard Smith, who went to University of Mississippi.
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She spent the next ten years alternately twirling, googling, and frowning.