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bluebears
09/22/09

In reply to The Pink Lady
I guess I could see it. It seems sort of pointless though, because isn't the actual Kennedy assassination supposed to be going down this season? So why the need for the complex foreshadowing? Seems like overkill. (pardon the pun)
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Maritsa
09/22/09

@bluebears: I think it's the day before Roger's daughter's wedding, right?
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thecameralovesyou
09/22/09

@Maritsa: Correct, she's getting married Nov 23, 1963 and the assassination was the 22nd. I know since I was reminded of this by EVERYONE over 40 when I got married on Nov 22nd last year.
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bluebears
09/22/09

right. Plus, it's not like the audience doesn't know whats coming...It just seems like foreshadowing to no purpose. Whereas the story about the deceased father who lost an arm? Good foreshadowing. Or showing the invitation with the date of the wedding. We all know whats coming and that was more like a little wink at the audience. But this seems like, again, overkill.
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robina
09/22/09

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Unfortunately, I can't get Pandagon to load, but there was another image in the episode that made me think of the JFK assassination. I didn't even notice the secretary's pink dress, probably because, at the time, I wasn't expecting the carnage that followed. The image that floored me was of Joan at the hospital later, her dress covered in blood. I couldn't help but think of the picture of Jackie Kennedy while LBJ was being sworn in, still wearing the same blood-covered dress.
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LolaQuinn is full of beans
09/22/09

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Oh god, I'm not even remotely squeamish and still I sat bolt upright with my jaw agape, clutching my boyfriend's knee with all my might when this happened.

I second the Vietnam imagery in this one, as opposed to the JFK foreshadowing.
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katie.scarlett.o'hara
09/22/09

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I can see how that guy might have been JFK: young, optimistic, new at the job...

That whole scene was so great. As soon as Lois got on, it was like oh noooooo...something bad is going down. The way they edited it was so scary.
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Clare116
09/22/09

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She's not just an incompetent secretary -- she's Lois Harvey Oswald.

Hmm, if she gets fired, I guess that would open something up at SC if Joan wanted to come back.
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LaComtesse
09/22/09

@Clare116: I don't think she'll get fired--I think Kenny will. He said off-handedly "I claim full responsibility." Not a wise decision when people are looking for blame and there you're in competition with another capable person for one position that's currently two.
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katie.scarlett.o'hara
09/22/09

@LaComtesse: I hope Ken doesn't get the sack. He did just bring in the big Deere account anyway.
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Ailatan
09/22/09

@LaComtesse: This whole thing was a blessing in disguise, I doubt anyone will get fired.
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TransFat
09/22/09

@katie.scarlett.o'hara: No way. "Pete Campbell, accounts", just wouldn't have the same obliviously douchey charm.
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katie.scarlett.o'hara
09/22/09

@TransFat: That's one of my favorite lines ever. I want more Ken this season! He's been totally unexplored.
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willwriteforfood
09/22/09

@katie.scarlett.o'hara: He brought in the Deere account...that means he introduced the mechanism of destruction into the office!

There is NO way they could get rid of Ken. Pete as the sole head of accounts? Lane would find someone else to co-head before he'd let Pete loose on the clients.
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TransFat
09/22/09

@katie.scarlett.o'hara: My ex and I used to say the line every time he is onscreen. Love Ken. I really thought this was going to be his year!
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LadyNo Fondles Sweaters
09/22/09

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In the slate.com conversation (I highly recommend it if you're into MM), they referenced a theory that it was symbolic of the Vietnam War. The guys are chit-chatting about how the draft isn't that big a deal, what's everybody getting excited about, etc.

And then WHAM! The party is sprayed with blood.
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suck_it_monkeys
09/22/09

@LadyNo Fondles Sweaters: That's what I thought while I was watching. It was a nice parallel and showed how removed and privileged those guys are, at least so far.
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sallysparrow
09/22/09

@LadyNo Fondles Sweaters: Also when they discuss that Guy losing his foot will end his career and essentially his life (as the PPL people see it) is all the more disturbing/poignant when you consider the huge number of young amputees who will be coming home from Vietnam in a couple of years.
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suck_it_monkeys
09/22/09

@suck_it_monkeys: Like, other men their age will soon be dying brutal deaths in an unjustified war, and the only Mad Men casualty so far is due to ridiculous office antics.
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bluebears
09/22/09

@LadyNo Fondles Sweaters: yeah that actually makes a lot more sense.
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ArgusRun
09/22/09

In reply to The Pink Lady
Is anyone else pissed that it was a woman driver? The guy is driving around handling it, and his tipsy passenger nice and easily, and for some reason the chick can't handle a riding lawn mower?
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linnyt is a walking cliché
09/22/09

@ArgusRun: The fact that it was Lois The Office Idiot makes it ok that she was driving. It's something she might do, not just because she was a woman.
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Penny
09/22/09

@ArgusRun: I think it has more to do with the fact that that chick is super annoying. I hope she's gone forever.
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Ailatan
09/22/09

@ArgusRun: Lois is so clumsy and silly, it was obvious she would make a mistake.
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Ailatan
09/22/09

@ArgusRun: Edited. Double Post.
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VioletBeauregarde: Party Pooper Extraordinaire
09/22/09

@ArgusRun: It's not any old woman, but Lois. Lois who is notoriously clumsy and is in no way representative of all women. I don't think they were trying to make a point that women can't handle it, in this instance. Especially considering the fact that Joan is shown immediately afterward taking charge of the situation in an incredibly level-headed and efficient manner.
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Where The Mild Things Are
09/22/09

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Whether or not this analysis is right - this is part of why I love this show. It makes me feel like I'm back in the cozy bubble of my Liberal Arts college, discussing "weighted imagery" in whatever book we're reading.
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Penny
09/22/09

In reply to The Pink Lady
Wait, I have a question. All that shit the flew everywhere, was that ALL the dude? I thought they hit the cake too....
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andBegorrah
09/22/09

In reply to The Pink Lady
It would confirm my long-standing theory that Jackie did it.
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cnphair
09/22/09

In reply to The Pink Lady
Someone please send Joan to medical school. Please.

I have a Chicago practice that is just calling out for her. Her husband can be our secretary.
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NotChoinski
09/22/09

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Very early in the season they established that Rodger Sterling's Daughter was to be married on November 23rd, 1963
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linnyt is a walking cliché
09/22/09

In reply to The Pink Lady
If Joan's dress had been pink, I would get it, since she was covered in blood.
But green and red are opposite colors so maybe it was to make the colors stand out against each other.
Can you really foreshadow what you know is already going to happen? It's not really shadowy.
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hovy
09/22/09

@linnyt is a walking cliché: Red & green are also Joan's favorite colors. And the theme of her wedding, Christmas, was red & green.
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Triana Orpheus
09/22/09

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Also, how Joan looked at the end, her dress covered in blood, but she still showed so much dignity.
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clockwise contemplates going counter
09/22/09

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Where's the grassy knoll?
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BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit)
09/22/09

@asexual vampire: The John Deere IS the grassy knoll! I just blew my own mind.
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clockwise contemplates going counter
09/22/09

@BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit): Wow.
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sallysparrow
09/22/09

@asexual vampire: Joan is the grassy knoll! She's all in green and she's very, um . . . hilly?
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