Though I'm the only Jeze-reader who doesn't watch Mad Men (no cable but it's on my Netflix queue, I promise!) I don't mind the references because that time period fascinates me.
Also: They promise "sparkling" results for black hair...but I'm guessing you have to be in the sun in order to get the full effect.
@Nariel: Christina Hendricks is a blonde?! YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!! I never would have guessed that. I am also quite impressed with her, as I am also a blonde and attempted to dye my hair red and it never really stayed. I think I have to hate her now.
@Zombie Ms. Skittles: I think she can be an honorary true red head..because I wouldn't have guessed by looking at her either (and she's got that certain je ne sais quoi).
I've considered dying mine red for fun, but I always feel like there's something extra fake about being a fake red head. I guess you don't choose it, it chooses YOU.
I love the point Christina Hendricks makes that if Joan was a modern-day character we would not view her so triumphantly. I think that point cannot be made enough. That is exactly the way I feel and i love her as a character.
Mad Men resonates so much with me because it lets me see how differently things move in different parts of the universe. The stuff that goes on in MM is sometimes so identical to how suburban life, office dynamics, gender politics, sex and power work in the business world of my home that it gives me goosebumps. And so I know Joan. Personally. Four, five, six times over. My best friend from elementary school is exactly like her. And the ways in which she is forced to navigate her universe make me feel sad for her not empowered.
I love to see Joan fight back and utilise her skill and work her universe to advantage as much as the next girl. But there's a big part that always wishes she didn't have to and wishes she wouldn't play the game because she can't dismantle the master's house with the master's tools. #madmen
Sounds like what millions of other women would do. It infuriates me that the court systems and society at large are so behind on this. They still cling on to some idea that if it's a "real rape" a woman will behave in a certain way. i.e. kick, scream, and then be visibly shocked and traumatised afterwards. If someone gets up, brushes off and goes on with her life like it didn't happen, ppl will claim that it wasn't rape. (Especially if it's someone who exudes confidence in other areas of her life, because we are all consistent in every aspect of our personality, right?) Which means that if a woman is ever raped, she shouldn't act according to her instincts, but according to some warped hollywood-script if she wants to be believed. Kudos to Christina Hendricks for this realistic interpretation of Joan's response to the rape. #madmen
@FrannyR: Word. Also can we discuss the terms date rape/ acquaintance rape? Lets call a spade a frickin' spade and just call it rape. I feel like often times these stupid qualifiers are used as a means to lessen the severity of the rape. Like somehow if the woman knows the person or is on a date somehow she deserved to be raped or there's inherently ambiguity involved. Fuck that noise! Rape is rape, whether it's by some psycho hiding behind a bush or by your best guy friend of several years. #madmen
@la vie en hypnose: The term date rape is really important in order for people to understand it is rape. It is not meant as a qualifier. It is meant to make people understand you can be raped by your date or somebody you are in a relationship with. That term is one of the reasons so many people today watched what happened to Joan and called it rape. #madmen
My schedule is too tight to catch Mad Men a lot, and I think I'm more waiting to get the whole season all at once from Netflix, but anyway...when did this rape occur? What were the horrific circumstances? #madmen
@LouisiAnna: It was toward the end of Season 2 and the circumstances started out entirely banal, which made the subsequent act that much more horrible. Greg came to visit Joan's office, they ran into Roger and Roger's behavior made Greg think Joan had a history with the guy. That put his ego into overdrive and he cornered her in Don's office while she poured him a drink. She fought him for a bit but clearly knew it was going to happen. It's so awful, that scene. She just...gives up fighting and looks like she went into shock. Brace yourself. #madmen
@LouisiAnna: To add to "willwriteforfood"'s explanation, the night before this incident Greg and Joan were about to make love but he said he was too tired. She told him she would take over and got on top of him. He asked her: "where did you pick that up?" He was obviously put off by her having quite a bit of sexual experience, even though she explained that she loved him and they didn't mean anything in comparison. He was very visibly upset and just turned over in bed and went to sleep. #madmen
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I've never admitted this before, but my (ex) boyfriend raped me on Valentine's Day-- I was a virgin, it was my first time, it was Valentine's Day. We had a really nice dinner, went dancing, and then he spiked my drink.
I lied to myself for over a year-- it was too horrible. It was easier to just tell myself I was a little tipsy and didn't remember all the details too clearly. That I had been planning on sleeping with him anyway, so how nice that it was on such a memorable day and that I just got it over with etc etc..
The ability of our brain to shut out painful things, particularly when the hurt comes from those we love and trust, is truly astonishing. #madmen
@curiousgeorgiana: I'm so, so sorry. Your response is totally understandable, for all the reasons you describe. Having your trust betrayed is so hard to tackle emotionally. #madmen
@curiousgeorgiana: Oh, I'm so sorry, lovely. It's true - our minds are a powerful thing, and sometimes it shuts down certain experiences until, perhaps, we're ready to deal with them. What you say about those we love and trust is so very true. #madmen
@curiousgeorgiana: I totally get what you're saying. Something similar but not as dramatic happened to me (I had consented to sex, but asked for him not to do certain things, which he did anyway). That wasn't even the same, but I really tried to tidy it up in my mind to "he just got carried away" rather than a) admit to myself I was with someone who could be like that and b) that I had been violated in some way. Massive hugs. You have nothing to be embarrassed about. #madmen
I couldn't watch this scene. I knew what was going to happen and had to leave the room. I have sexual violence-in-media-exposure overload lately and I know I can't handle it. #madmen
@justcallmeangel: I thought I would be okay watching it because I knew it was coming, but instead, I nearly passed out my heart was beating so hard. It was a really well-done scene, which probably explains why it was so hard to watch. #madmen
I appreciate the ridiculousness of disagreeing with the woman who portrays her, but I think at the time it was happening, Joan was miles past "bad date" and had just mentally checked out of the horror. Maybe later she tried to clean it up in her mind by calling it a "bad date" to herself, but I just can't believe that she was thinking that at the time.
Even though the woman doing the silent emoting just told me exactly what her character was thinking. #madmen
@heliotrollop ... (fka phoebe.caulfield): A lot of people would not consider it rape if that happened to them. It is easy to be on the outside looking it and say it is rape. It is rape. But for that person, to have that happen by somebody you love and trust, it is hard for the brain to call it rape. #madmen
@Lymed: Especially in 1962, when law enforcement wouldn't have touched this case. You'd had sex with him before? And he was your fiance? Not rape. Of course I'm not sure how much better it would be handled today.... #madmen
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I've considered dying mine red for fun, but I always feel like there's something extra fake about being a fake red head. I guess you don't choose it, it chooses YOU.
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Joan? Or a young Endora?
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Mad Men resonates so much with me because it lets me see how differently things move in different parts of the universe. The stuff that goes on in MM is sometimes so identical to how suburban life, office dynamics, gender politics, sex and power work in the business world of my home that it gives me goosebumps. And so I know Joan. Personally. Four, five, six times over. My best friend from elementary school is exactly like her. And the ways in which she is forced to navigate her universe make me feel sad for her not empowered.
I love to see Joan fight back and utilise her skill and work her universe to advantage as much as the next girl. But there's a big part that always wishes she didn't have to and wishes she wouldn't play the game because she can't dismantle the master's house with the master's tools. #madmen
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Madame, I do believe I've just hearted you. #madmen
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I lied to myself for over a year-- it was too horrible. It was easier to just tell myself I was a little tipsy and didn't remember all the details too clearly. That I had been planning on sleeping with him anyway, so how nice that it was on such a memorable day and that I just got it over with etc etc..
The ability of our brain to shut out painful things, particularly when the hurt comes from those we love and trust, is truly astonishing. #madmen
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@all: Thanks so much for the warm wishes. You're the best. #madmen
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Even though the woman doing the silent emoting just told me exactly what her character was thinking. #madmen
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