I love how people in the comments on the Sun article are attacking the woman who received the note.
"She is not a 32" back! She's more like a 38", the lying hefferlump."
Really? So if she's a 38" it's okay for men to put creepy notes in her package of underwear? Or maybe he's suggesting that if she had ordered a 38" (and why would she order a bra 6 sizes too small?) the man wouldn't have put the creepy note in the package...
@lydiafaye007: Obviously those people have never been through the Bravissimo fitting process. Nearly all women buy the band too big and the cup too small till they get there. :) #mail
Emily dialled the number and spoke to a man who answered as Matthew Jones. He hung up when she asked about the note. When she rang again, he didn't answer.
I don't know what she said, but if he hung up, why the fuck did he leave that note in the first place?!
If he violated her privacy (and dignity, and and) like that, his number should totally be available for everyone to see, too.
Asshole. #mail
@Niki S: I wouldn't discriminate against someone with dyslexia. Dyslexic people aren't people who can't be bothered to spell properly. Neither are they genetically predisposed to using text speak and using apostrophes to denote plurals (aghrrr!). #mail
@aimeeg: Well, dyslexics (at least some) do struggle with punctuation and, unless you get to know someone, usually you wouldn't have any idea why they couldn't spell. My oldest kid is dyslexic, and it's all-too-common for him to be accused of laziness, stupidity or "not being bothered". I'm just pointing out that saying "anyone who can't spell will never get a return call from me no matter what. Ever." is pretty bigoted. #mail
@Niki S: I have friends with dyslexia and I read their LJs. :) But anyone trying to hit on me who sent something like that without a disclaimer... I probably wouldn't reply. #mail
@gennie.catastrophe: Indeed. My sis is a secretary and I get upset at her when she sends me emails with those in them. You're not typing on a T9! #mail
@Niki S: I completely disagree. There is a huge difference between not being able to do something and not being willing to try to learn. Sometimes we tell people ahead of time to help them understand. Kind of like when I explain to people in medical offices that I'm allergic to latex. Then there are no misunderstandings.
It's like how I'd far rather talk to/hang out with someone with a really low IQ than someone who's technically smart but utterly refuses to pick up a book. #mail
@Niki S: And I'm sure that your son would never send a note like that in those circumstances either. I forgot to mention that the rudeness of the note puts the response factor way down on the scale *anyway*.
If someone sent me a nice email with a misspelling in it that was just about work stuff or neighborhood stuff or whatever I certainly WOULD respond to it.
But not a hit-on note stuck in with my bra. Sorry. That's NOT bigoted. #mail
@aimeeg: You just described my husband. He's dyslexic and uses apostrophes to denote plurals. He also sticks apostrophes in weird places.
He can't write worth a crap, and his handwriting looks like that of a kindergartner, but he is such a genius when it comes to computers that his incompetency at writing doesn't really matter.
If I had discounted him based on his e-mails, I would have never found a man that does laundry, dishes, and cooks. #mail
@redqueenmeg: Well that's pretty different from what you said to start with. You said " Oh, and anyone who can't spell will never get a return call from me no matter what. Ever. I'm sorry if that is bigoted." [my italics] and I was responding to someone saying it wasn't a bigoted statement (which you already pretty much admitted it was). Your original statement seemed to say that poor spelling was an absolute deal-breaker, whatever the circumstances.
I was just trying to point out that not being able to spell isn't the greatest criteria for judging a person. I'll judge this guy on the crappy note he sent. His minor spelling mistake is, to me, neither here nor there.
Clearly you didn't really mean what you said, but I was responding to your actual statement and had no way of knowing that "...never... Ever" actually meant "in this specific case". Plainly, I've upset you which was never my intention and I apologise. #mail
@Niki S: No problem. Thing is, most people I know with dyslexia don't hit on people in this fashion. It was actually meant to be a humorous comment pointing out the least offensive part of the message to represent the whole, sort of a pars pro toto argument. #mail
Okay, I have small breasts. But in certain situations, I'm self conscious about them. I'm sure it differs from woman to woman, but I have a feeling some JJ cup size women are a little self conscious---not to mention annoyed by the fact that they have to order most of their bras as stores don't normally stock that size. I'm sure it was the cherry on this woman's sundae to be solicited for a peep show by a complete stranger.
@curiousgeorgiana: As someone with a larger chest, you're exactly right... I am self concious about them and this would only make me want to crawl into a hole.. As well as never buy from them again, so it also makes him an asshole because he would be denying me bras that actually fit!!!
The article legit says "big-boobed ladies." If I lived in the UK I'd subscribe just for the giggle factor. Yep, I'm about as mature as a 12-year-old. #mail
Are British bra sizes the same as American ones? (And if so, were they different in the 1950s? /joking) Because 32JJ seems like a kind of unusual size. #mail
@Zombie Ms. Skittles: To be fair, packages from Bravissimo aren't exactly discreet, they have bows on them and say 'Bravissimo' in big lettering. I've had porters at my college giggle at me when I have my bras delivered. #mail
@Zombie Ms. Skittles: Bravissimo's packaging consists of a folded cardboard box secured with one tab that's taped down. Inside, the underwear is loosely wrapped in tissue paper. If someone wanted to tamper with the package but make it appear to be unopened, it would be quite easy to do so as long as you were careful about removing that one piece of tape.
I dunno, I just can't see how a 32JJ bra would be especially titillating given the sizes that Bravissimo carries, and that makes me more inclined to believe it's someone in the p.o. That or it's just a prank that's in very bad taste... #mail
1. Taylor Swift was awarded this award in exchange for the VMA cm she was in. Awards like this are usually bought.
2. MTV knowingly let Kanye on the stage. Do you really think security would have let him up otherwise?
3. Taylor's people knew.
4. Beyonce's people knew.
And now all three artists get publicity, for free. And the ignorant masses are expected to "defend" their favorite. (and buy more CDs)
@kitn601: I really do wish that the method by which he delivered his message didn't overshadow the truth in it.
I guiltily like Taylor Swift (guiltily because I'm way past high school age, yet find myself turning up the radio whenever I hear her songs). I recognize the impact she has on young, white teenagers. At the same time, I cannot fathom a young black girl who many aren't familiar with beating out, for instance, Madonna at the height of her career after Madonna created one of the most watched and imitated videos in the entire WORLD.
Whatever the MTV audience (and, considering that Beyonce is the most popular female artist on MTV.com, the argument that MTV's audience prefers Taylor Swift is certainly arguable) if someone deserves an award, which Beyonce did, he/she deserves it period. They don't distribute sympathy awards or "our audience likes this artist more so let's give it to her" awards. That's an entirely separate category called Viewer's Choice. With that, I guarantee you the VMA voters are disproportinately dominated by white folk.
The delivery did not suit most people's tastes, but the message certainly speaks to the larger issue of how often deserving Black artists lose out to suit the tastes of the mainstream, not because they are better, but simply because they are more in number.
Let's put aside the controversial approach for a moment and just consider in what alternative universe the reaction would be had this been a black female newcomer against a legendary white figure who also happened to have created one of the most popular videos of this generation.
Would people be be just as sympathetic to the black woman and acted like she was some innocent kitten whose age gets younger and younger with each news story (next she's going to be 14 in some reports, I just know it). Would she have won the award in the first place? If a white man took a moment to speak a truth that many agreed with, would people call for a destruction of his career and end to his life? I think these are valid things to consider.
@MagentaHobbit: but Beyonce wasn't even nominated for this award...right? or did i make that up somewhere.. this is the VMA's, not the grammys. It's supposed to be the anti-awards show, awards show. I'm sure the reason she wasnt nominated was because she was a shoo-in for Video of the Year. Kanye had no right to do that to anyone, black or white. And I'm sure Kanye wouldve done the same thing to anyone else. And i whole heartedly agree with another poster that said beyonce certainly doesnt need kanye fighting her battles.
Am I the only one that thinks this is just not that big of a deal. Kanye is Kanye. It wasn't right, but these people are here for our entertainment, and that is exactly what last night was. These "award" shows will be forgotten about very soon, no one will care about sweet taylor swifts "moment". This is like Kanyes M.O now; crash award shows, and i like it. Taylor is just the latest victim to his douchery. That is all.
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"She is not a 32" back! She's more like a 38", the lying hefferlump."
Really? So if she's a 38" it's okay for men to put creepy notes in her package of underwear? Or maybe he's suggesting that if she had ordered a 38" (and why would she order a bra 6 sizes too small?) the man wouldn't have put the creepy note in the package...
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I don't know what she said, but if he hung up, why the fuck did he leave that note in the first place?!
If he violated her privacy (and dignity, and and) like that, his number should totally be available for everyone to see, too.
Asshole. #mail
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Oh, and anyone who can't spell will never get a return call from me no matter what. Ever. I'm sorry if that is bigoted. #mail
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It's like how I'd far rather talk to/hang out with someone with a really low IQ than someone who's technically smart but utterly refuses to pick up a book. #mail
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If someone sent me a nice email with a misspelling in it that was just about work stuff or neighborhood stuff or whatever I certainly WOULD respond to it.
But not a hit-on note stuck in with my bra. Sorry. That's NOT bigoted. #mail
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He can't write worth a crap, and his handwriting looks like that of a kindergartner, but he is such a genius when it comes to computers that his incompetency at writing doesn't really matter.
If I had discounted him based on his e-mails, I would have never found a man that does laundry, dishes, and cooks. #mail
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I was just trying to point out that not being able to spell isn't the greatest criteria for judging a person. I'll judge this guy on the crappy note he sent. His minor spelling mistake is, to me, neither here nor there.
Clearly you didn't really mean what you said, but I was responding to your actual statement and had no way of knowing that "...never... Ever" actually meant "in this specific case". Plainly, I've upset you which was never my intention and I apologise. #mail
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... Can I still feel disdain for people who use text speak, though? #mail
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What a fucking asshole. #mail
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Bravissimo is a speciality store for large breasted women. JJ is pretty much the top of the size range, but it exists. #mail
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CLEARLY the work of an outside party. #mail
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EEEEWWWWWWW. #mail
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I dunno, I just can't see how a 32JJ bra would be especially titillating given the sizes that Bravissimo carries, and that makes me more inclined to believe it's someone in the p.o. That or it's just a prank that's in very bad taste... #mail
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Or perhaps someone wanted to prank Matthew J... #mail
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2. MTV knowingly let Kanye on the stage. Do you really think security would have let him up otherwise?
3. Taylor's people knew.
4. Beyonce's people knew.
And now all three artists get publicity, for free. And the ignorant masses are expected to "defend" their favorite. (and buy more CDs)
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I guiltily like Taylor Swift (guiltily because I'm way past high school age, yet find myself turning up the radio whenever I hear her songs). I recognize the impact she has on young, white teenagers. At the same time, I cannot fathom a young black girl who many aren't familiar with beating out, for instance, Madonna at the height of her career after Madonna created one of the most watched and imitated videos in the entire WORLD.
Whatever the MTV audience (and, considering that Beyonce is the most popular female artist on MTV.com, the argument that MTV's audience prefers Taylor Swift is certainly arguable) if someone deserves an award, which Beyonce did, he/she deserves it period. They don't distribute sympathy awards or "our audience likes this artist more so let's give it to her" awards. That's an entirely separate category called Viewer's Choice. With that, I guarantee you the VMA voters are disproportinately dominated by white folk.
The delivery did not suit most people's tastes, but the message certainly speaks to the larger issue of how often deserving Black artists lose out to suit the tastes of the mainstream, not because they are better, but simply because they are more in number.
Let's put aside the controversial approach for a moment and just consider in what alternative universe the reaction would be had this been a black female newcomer against a legendary white figure who also happened to have created one of the most popular videos of this generation.
Would people be be just as sympathetic to the black woman and acted like she was some innocent kitten whose age gets younger and younger with each news story (next she's going to be 14 in some reports, I just know it). Would she have won the award in the first place? If a white man took a moment to speak a truth that many agreed with, would people call for a destruction of his career and end to his life? I think these are valid things to consider.
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The last thing she needs is HIM getting up there to validate her. Especially at the expense of a young newcomer.
Such. A. Douchebag.
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Kanye, if you ever share the urinal next to mine, I'm pissing on your shoes.