Another thing I was thinking last night. I don't think it would be that difficult to develop a compound that would change colors when bound to the commonly used rape drugs.
Like developing monoclonal antibodies for them, and then binding the antibodies to another compound that would change colors when something binds the antibodies' active site.
Or just a nice compound that attaches itself to the drug and changes color.
Then sell it in small packets to people, or have them for sale in the bars fridge if it degrades at room temperature.
I actually get Self magazine (yeah, yeah...) and read this story before going to bed one night. Unbelievable. I feel like there is nothing productive I can do with the rage I have towards this "man" and the "men" who've hurt all of you. Being sexually violated (and not complaining about it, natch) seems to be a routine part of womanhood, and society just shrugs and treats it as such. Friends, you should not have to fight to the death to be considered a "real" rape victim. If you tell a man "no," and he succeeds with you anyway, he raped you. You don't have to scream, you don't have to claw his eyes out, you don't have to push him down a flight of stairs. If you say no to sex and he penetrates you anyway, it's rape. Succumbing, as it were, is inevitable at a certain point. But tiring out, or disassociating, or giving up, is not consent. I love you all.
I was watching a Sex and the City rerun last night, the one where Big tells Carrie he's leaving his wife, Aiden is refinishing the floors and Carrie goes to a hotel for peace and quiet where Big finds her and shows up at the hotel and then he starts making heavy moves on her in the elevator.
K that was the synopsis, I'd never seen this episode before, and I wondered as I watched Big and Carrie in the elevator - She pushed him away 1-2- possibly 3 times, telling him stop it, but he persisted and finally - she succumbed and ended up in bed with him and had fantastic sex.
Where would that turn into rape, or, more specifically, where would that stop being attempted rape?
That's one of the reasons I always hated that show I guess, I'd never seen that episode before, but it just seemed so wrong. Was there ever any outcry about that episode and the message it sent about acquaintance rape?
@alphafemale: I love that show, but I really hate that scene. Buffy had a horrible scene sort of like that with Buffy and Spike and I remember that there was a big fan outcry. So many times in movies, and tv, the woman protests and the guy gets pushy and then it's all just part of the sexy sex. I think it's really irresponsible when they do that.
@HanaMaru: I personally didn't think the scene between Buffy and Spike was irresponsible on that level because they treated it like an assault. It didn't lead to any kind of reconciliation or passionate sex, it ended with Buffy kicking Spike out of her house and the other characters who found out hating him.
The scene was awful for other reasons, but it didn't irk me the way certain other ones that really push that weird 'it's force yourself on someone until they submit!' agenda certain other ones I've seen do.
@BlueFairy: I think we're talking about different things. I was talking about the scene on the catwalk in the Bronze, at the beginning of their strange love affair. Does that make more sense now?
Oh snap, I sent a link in to the Tips e-mail today...I'm glad this got written about. I could not get my jaw up off the floor after reading this story. One massive explosion of WTF-ery.
I have a question that I've never really asked anyone. Here's the scenario- my boyfriend of a year had dumped me and a few weeks later he wanted to meet up. i didnt want to at first because i was still so sad and i told him that if i came over i didnt want him trying to kiss me or anything. so i came over and i instantly started crying because i was so upset because i had really felt like i loved him (in retrospect i think it was infatuation). despite my crying, he said he really wanted to kiss me and i resisted for a while and eventually let him. then from kissing he goes "i have a boner" even though i'm still bawling and he's not trying to console me remotely. so he convinces me to have sex even though i initially dont think its a good idea and had expressed that i didnt want to and didnt want to even kiss him. so we have sex which left me feeling really crappy and unsatisfied and i initiated more sex after that because the experience left me feeling so empty. so my question is: it seems pretty clear to me that this was coercion but is that "rape?" its confusing to me because he was a former boyfriend and the first time we had sex that day i didnt want to but the second time i did. i'm so confused i need opinions.
Always watch your drinks ladies! And why can't we start teaching men to respect women instead of blaming women for everything bad that comes their way?
@robotsattack: Thing is, even if I don't watch my drink (because I want to for a FEW MINUTES not be ever vigiglent about the possibility that someone will ruin my life and instead just LIVE my life or maybe I was just drunk and forgot to keep watching it), it's not my goddamn fault for taking my eye off of it. I should be able to leave my drink unattended for a minute without basically agreeing to give up my bodily autonomy.
Sadly, it seems like a lot of men still have the misconception that they are "convincing" women to have sex with them by being persistent, when they are really just convincing the women to go limp and disassociate themselves in order to make it go quicker.
On the other hand, if it were a bunch of GUYS who were raped by a gay guy, I'm 100% sure the court wouldn't question whether or not the victim fought back hard enough.
@ceejeemcbeegee: Because a guy would never want to be gay!!1! Whereas, secretly, deep down, we're all sluts who are just begging for it. With our breast-having and short-skirt-wearing, we transmit this secret desire to nearby manly men.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Adjacent topic. I'm watching some talk show and a cast of "Are You Smarter than a Fifth Grader?" is on. The host asked little 10-year old Jenna if she was ready. Jenna replied, "I was born ready."
Um, don't know if she's hearing that from Mommy, the baby sitter, or her school yard chums, but Jesus. I'm hoping some responsible, caring, respectful adult explains things to her after taping.
I have a guy friend who was raped when blind drunk. How does one even report that and get taken seriously? There was a Law & Order SVU about a similar situation to try to publicize the fact that men can, in fact, be raped by women, but it's still not an accepted idea. I'm sure it's less common than male on female rape, but I bet the percentage of female-on-male rape reports and convictions is basically zero.
@ejc.noms.puppies: It is a weird area, because men can have the equivalent of "gray area rape" (not a real thing, rape is rape) or sexual assault, but you NEVER hear about it.
Have I had an ex-girlfriend try and grab me inappropriately? Yup. I've even had one come into my apartment in the middle of the night and get into my bed with no clothes on. I was 100% not interested, and if the situations were reversed, it would have been a justifiable sexual assault.
That being said, I was upset with her at the moment but did not, until now, think about the fact that it was an assault. I wouldn't have done anything about it back then even if I had realized that, though.
I don't know what to make of that, as a guy. Thoughts? Is the physical disparity between (most) men and women a major component of sexual assault? Or is it all psychologically-based?
@samslaw: Yeah, it's especially a problem because he was extremely wasted and doesn't remember much... but apparently she still got him to get it up. I mean... dang, it just sounds so untenable. It's bad enough if a girl is raped while drunk ("asking for it", "shouldn't have been drinking that much", etc.), but a guy? A 6'4" GUY?
Soooo that woman will never get in trouble. And it's not like she was drunk too... she was sober.
I imagine that the physical disparity is a bigger issue than the psychological disparity--if women were stronger than men, they'd probably be more likely to kick 'em where it counts or get away and report attempted rapes. That said, the woman a few years back who had someone force himself into her mouth and bit one of his balls off might just be my hero.
The difficulty in prosecuting date rape why I did not seek to prosecute an ex. There are days when I regret the decision, and even more days when I wish the courts and juries understood that NO means NO no matter how long you've been with the person.
Last week we had to cover violence against women and sexual assault in my women's studies class. In a classroom full of women, only 2 disagreed with another classmate's assertion that as women, it is our job to "not lead men into temptation" by wearing revealing clothing, because men "just can't help themselves sometimes." Because wearing revealing clothes, being out at night, and drinking are open invites for rape.
Cry, scream, vomit? How the hell do you react to that?
i lost my virginity when i was 15 to date rape. it took me until i was 18 to even realize that what happened to me was rape. i always wondered why i felt so weird and wrong about it. i just figured that because it was with my boyfriend at the time, it was just something that had happened between us.
it really disgusts me to know that shit like this happens and goes unpunished. i doubt i would have reported it even if i had realized that what happened to me was a crime, and honestly, with the legal system being the way it is, who would?
@DontFearTheReefer: Have you read Lucky by Alice Sebold? She also lost her virginity to rape (although it was violent, stranger rape) and writes about it in the most incredible way I've ever heard. She talks about the rape, the process of trying to get the guy and how her life fell apart.
It is a very difficult read, emotionally, but it is a stunning account of life and living and I would recommend it. I read it a few months after I was drugged and date-raped and it was cathartic in helping me be emotional about something I understood, but wasn't ready to face yet.
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Like developing monoclonal antibodies for them, and then binding the antibodies to another compound that would change colors when something binds the antibodies' active site.
Or just a nice compound that attaches itself to the drug and changes color.
Then sell it in small packets to people, or have them for sale in the bars fridge if it degrades at room temperature.
Any organic chemists in here?
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I feel like there is nothing productive I can do with the rage I have towards this "man" and the "men" who've hurt all of you.
Being sexually violated (and not complaining about it, natch) seems to be a routine part of womanhood, and society just shrugs and treats it as such.
Friends, you should not have to fight to the death to be considered a "real" rape victim. If you tell a man "no," and he succeeds with you anyway, he raped you. You don't have to scream, you don't have to claw his eyes out, you don't have to push him down a flight of stairs. If you say no to sex and he penetrates you anyway, it's rape. Succumbing, as it were, is inevitable at a certain point. But tiring out, or disassociating, or giving up, is not consent.
I love you all.
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K that was the synopsis, I'd never seen this episode before, and I wondered as I watched Big and Carrie in the elevator - She pushed him away 1-2- possibly 3 times, telling him stop it, but he persisted and finally - she succumbed and ended up in bed with him and had fantastic sex.
Where would that turn into rape, or, more specifically, where would that stop being attempted rape?
That's one of the reasons I always hated that show I guess, I'd never seen that episode before, but it just seemed so wrong. Was there ever any outcry about that episode and the message it sent about acquaintance rape?
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I personally didn't think the scene between Buffy and Spike was irresponsible on that level because they treated it like an assault. It didn't lead to any kind of reconciliation or passionate sex, it ended with Buffy kicking Spike out of her house and the other characters who found out hating him.
The scene was awful for other reasons, but it didn't irk me the way certain other ones that really push that weird 'it's force yourself on someone until they submit!' agenda certain other ones I've seen do.
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Protocol:
dick--> homogenizer--> sulfuric acid--> neutralize with potassium hydroxide --> repeat.
See if you'll rape again you fucking ass.
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Seriously, I've often argued that it's men who should be getting the warnings and lessons. Preferably from her:
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Um, don't know if she's hearing that from Mommy, the baby sitter, or her school yard chums, but Jesus. I'm hoping some responsible, caring, respectful adult explains things to her after taping.
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Have I had an ex-girlfriend try and grab me inappropriately? Yup. I've even had one come into my apartment in the middle of the night and get into my bed with no clothes on. I was 100% not interested, and if the situations were reversed, it would have been a justifiable sexual assault.
That being said, I was upset with her at the moment but did not, until now, think about the fact that it was an assault. I wouldn't have done anything about it back then even if I had realized that, though.
I don't know what to make of that, as a guy. Thoughts? Is the physical disparity between (most) men and women a major component of sexual assault? Or is it all psychologically-based?
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Soooo that woman will never get in trouble. And it's not like she was drunk too... she was sober.
I imagine that the physical disparity is a bigger issue than the psychological disparity--if women were stronger than men, they'd probably be more likely to kick 'em where it counts or get away and report attempted rapes. That said, the woman a few years back who had someone force himself into her mouth and bit one of his balls off might just be my hero.
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Cry, scream, vomit? How the hell do you react to that?
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... with a knife.
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it really disgusts me to know that shit like this happens and goes unpunished. i doubt i would have reported it even if i had realized that what happened to me was a crime, and honestly, with the legal system being the way it is, who would?
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It is a very difficult read, emotionally, but it is a stunning account of life and living and I would recommend it. I read it a few months after I was drugged and date-raped and it was cathartic in helping me be emotional about something I understood, but wasn't ready to face yet.