Studio heads are nightmares and Robinov is one of the worst. All these guys are constantly afraid of losing their jobs and greenlighting untested properties, explaining why it's so hard to find an original project out there anymore. Marketing is easier if it's a known property. Even Mama Mia and SATC were proven ideas.
The best thing about Twilight is that Summit is a tiny company who acquired the rights from Paramount, who had been sitting on it and afraid to make it. Those guys at Summit have balls and are willing to let women be smart. They're really going to shake up the industry. I hope anyway.
Sadly, it's the money and marketing people who are screwing up Hollywood. I know this the hard way.
I've learned a lot in recent years about how the entertainment industry is exactly like Wall Street- it comes down to numbers and speculation. Numbers are dollars or ratings, and neither are very reliable. Check out the actual system the Nielson Company uses sometime- one person represents 103,000 people, which is ridiculous. And dollar numbers can be moved around and interpreted however you like- ask any filmmaker who agreed to be paid a percentage of the gross.
Speculation is harder. Studios and execs want their products to succeed, want them to be good. But they're too close to know if it is good or not. They've been pressured into giving notes and have to stand by them, whether they work out or not, and they're usually friends with everyone involved in the production. It sucks to say those people are out of work, so they believe it's good. And the numbers don't necessarily bear that out. So they come up with theories (outside, we can recognize them as "superstitions") on what makes something good - tangible things they can look at whether they're too close or not and say "that counts." And they're usually wrong, but without a fallback, they won't give it up. Like A List stars. They're convinced that an A List star will open a movie, and won't make a movie with unknowns, even though it's been proven again and again that it's simply not true. A good actor will make a movie, and there is some overlap, but it's not a complete formula. And they're convinced a woman won't open a movie, but without being able to say "it's not that a woman won't open a movie, it's not not having a monkey won't open a movie," they won't give up the formula they have.
This applies to so much. The discussion a couple weeks ago about the news not showing news anymore is like this. It's not that people want the tabloid news instead of the real stuff and are rewarding the networks with ratings, it's that the networks decided that's what we want and refuse to revisit that decision, no matter how much money it costs them in ad dollars. And it is costing them, and they keep driving themselves down the spiral.
I was just explaining this very thing to my boyfriend in regards to the Wonder Woman movie that is rumored to be now headed by McG. And how Hollywood does not take women seriously and that's why even after the Dark Knight did so well, they aren't going to take Wonder Woman seriously enough to do anything but the worst of mainstream presentations.
Wow, his view of the types of movies with female leads is very narrow. Lara Croft? Underworld? Descent? All action, Hollywood-y movies with female leads. I'm pretty sure they made lots of money.
@Mr_Human: In terms of money earned vs. money spent, the Lara Croft movies barely made it which is why there wasn't a third. Underworld and Descent made money (and both will have sequels) but are seen as genre films.
@badmutha: I coughed up nearly 200 bucks for the collector's set. Obsessed? You betcha. Fringe has a female lead, yeah?... I try to watch that show. I keep falling asleep during it.
@Samanthrax: Fringe has a female lead, but she's terrible. Not acting-wise, just that her part is constantly frustrating me. And not even the way you'ld think, getting between me and Pacey. She makes bad choices and doesn't follow protocol, preferring to be lead by her emotions and all those other dumb stereotypes.
@Samanthrax: Me too. I get tired of all the female leads either being in romcoms or period pieces. I'll rent those types of movies sometimes, but I don't see them in theaters.
@jessicarabbit: I really think she is a crappily written part. The true leads are Pacey and Walter. Incidentally, I love Walter. But who I REALLY love are the Winchester boys from Supernatural. RAWR!
@SpasticFurchild: You know it was originally a movie, right? With Kristy Swanson and Luke Perry? It may not be exactly what you're expecting after watching the series, but you should watch it just for the Paul Reubens death scene. Trust.
@Samanthrax: I think I love you. Whenever I stop being lazy and make movies, they're totally going to not be what are typically associated with "chick flicks". Horror is my main squeeze.
Sadly, I think it means that they will continue to look toward established franchises instead of supporting original ideas. So look out, world! The Swiffer Mop Love Story: The Movie is coming to a theater near you!
I think Twilight (yes, I shudder at the whole phenomenon) is about to bust a million cracks in the ceiling for moviemaking. Yes, the budget is small, but the marketing campaign isn't. And both the director and screenwriter are women. This franchise is going to be an official, full-on blockbuster. And it will demonstrate that a woman director has the ability to make a traditional Hollywood smash hit.
Which is awesome. Hopefully the audience will be mixed enough that people can't pigeonhole it as a genre film.
@odinsraven: the PR machines may ignore the fact that women wrote and directed it and just bulk up on the melee of teens with money who are OBSESSED with this series.
Like every teen/20-something I know (excluding myself).
@Sukie in the Graveyard: I agree that outside the industry it may go unnoticed, but Catherine Hardwicke's directing fee is about to go through the roof. And that's where real power in Hollywood is centered. If she can start commanding the same studio fees as the other big players, then the shift will start: studios will begin trusting their tentpole blockbusters to female directors. And more powerful female directors start to influence everything - cinematographers, editors, casting, etc.
Sad sidenote - there has NEVER been a female cinematographer to be nominated for an Academy Award.
@odinsraven: I am reading the Twilight series right now and while I am sure I will read all of them, I am so frustrated with the female lead that I would reach thru the pages and strangle her myself. How can any female character be as helpless and passive as her? Being an old fashioned libber, and living in a post-Buffy world, this amazes me.
@morninggloria: Maybe there can be some kind of Jane Austen period piece, with women talking in drawing rooms, and outside, in the background, a carriage blows up.
@morninggloria: I agree. "There will be hangnails" would be a harrowing movie about women who work in construction by day, but dance at a bar at night. Things could blow up all the time. Then the woman could start dating the owner. Wait, this all sounds oddly familiar.
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The best thing about Twilight is that Summit is a tiny company who acquired the rights from Paramount, who had been sitting on it and afraid to make it. Those guys at Summit have balls and are willing to let women be smart. They're really going to shake up the industry. I hope anyway.
Sadly, it's the money and marketing people who are screwing up Hollywood. I know this the hard way.
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Speculation is harder. Studios and execs want their products to succeed, want them to be good. But they're too close to know if it is good or not. They've been pressured into giving notes and have to stand by them, whether they work out or not, and they're usually friends with everyone involved in the production. It sucks to say those people are out of work, so they believe it's good. And the numbers don't necessarily bear that out. So they come up with theories (outside, we can recognize them as "superstitions") on what makes something good - tangible things they can look at whether they're too close or not and say "that counts." And they're usually wrong, but without a fallback, they won't give it up. Like A List stars. They're convinced that an A List star will open a movie, and won't make a movie with unknowns, even though it's been proven again and again that it's simply not true. A good actor will make a movie, and there is some overlap, but it's not a complete formula. And they're convinced a woman won't open a movie, but without being able to say "it's not that a woman won't open a movie, it's not not having a monkey won't open a movie," they won't give up the formula they have.
This applies to so much. The discussion a couple weeks ago about the news not showing news anymore is like this. It's not that people want the tabloid news instead of the real stuff and are rewarding the networks with ratings, it's that the networks decided that's what we want and refuse to revisit that decision, no matter how much money it costs them in ad dollars. And it is costing them, and they keep driving themselves down the spiral.
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Also, Sanctuary for All has a couple of kick-ass female main characters if you're into sci-fi.
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@63words: How cool is that chick? She inspired me to work out for like... a month or something astronomical.
@SpasticFurchild: Me too. Though I really enjoyed the original.
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Which is awesome. Hopefully the audience will be mixed enough that people can't pigeonhole it as a genre film.
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Like every teen/20-something I know (excluding myself).
That will suck. They deserve the props.
(woop for St Helens!!)
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Sad sidenote - there has NEVER been a female cinematographer to be nominated for an Academy Award.
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How can any female character be as helpless and passive as her?
Being an old fashioned libber, and living in a post-Buffy world, this amazes me.
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