Many people abuse painkillers so they don't have to deal with their emotional issues or just to escape from their life, in general. They make you feel good, and everything bad goes away - temporarily.
I think at this point these two should no longer be followed by cameras. I can't believe that woman is still with him after all the abuse, and I think part of it is the fame from the cameras.
I used to love Kenicki (I can't spell)- and now he's just going to die all drugged out and an asshole.
I felt sorry for Jeff's plight until the moment he & Vicky started faux crying in Dr. Drew's office...I got the feeling this show was another acting job for him & this was his second season.
I just left the grocery store, where I ran into an old friend who is an alcoholic. After 11 years of sobriety, she started drinking again, and is now back in AA. Addiction never leaves you, ever.
She also took one look at my face and knew I going through something. I'm on day 8 of withdrawing from Cymbalta, which while not a opiate, is a powerful drug in its own right, and also alters brain chemistry. I chose to go cold turkey, against medical advice, and this week has been hell.
And dudes, I had come from a cookie decorating party in my son't class, and even had make-up on!! Maybe it was the shakes and the sweating?
@BeAgrestic: I've been through a number of antidepressants over the last 11 years and Effexor was baaaaadddd. Like, insects crawling on my skin bad, and that was while I was on it.
This is misery, but the drug was harming my liver and making me sleep 16 hours a day. I can't live like that any more.
I can't stomach all the attention paid to celebrities with addiction issues. I realize some could see this exposure as more of a caution, but for others, it's more a grotesque form of entertainment. And what of all the regular people who live like this every day? Does it affect them at all, seeing their own behavior being mirrored on tv? I feel sorry for anyone suffering from an addiction, and seeing this type of show on an entertainment/ music channel just seems so wrong to me. It makes me sad, too, to know that prescription drug addictions are only becoming more and more commonplace in our society. As well as the accompanying attitude that because it's not a "street" drug, you can't be a drug addict even if you need this shit to function. You know, because your (most likely) disreputable doctor prescribes it to you, so it can't be bad for you. My sister was addicted to something- we never figured out what it was- her piece of shit doctor kept giving her. She would go into withdrawal when she ran out, and immediately come up with a reason to go to the emergency room so they'd give her drugs. She's done this more times than I can count. And nobody at the hospital ever caught on to what she was doing. Unfuckingbelievable. Makes you think, no?
@terribletwenties aka Aesop's Foibles: I used to handle Workers' Comp claims and I inherited a long-term case where the guy was clearly an addict. When I went to re-sort the file the way I liked it, vs. how the previous adjuster liked it, I saw that he would go to as many as 5 emergency rooms in the same day to get painkillers injected. How the previous rep missed this, I'll never know. The only person involved with him who had a clue was his physical therapist. He commented that the patient seemed out of it and was drooling on nearly every visit.
Apparently, these notes were either not being read by his primary doc or were not getting to his primary doc.
I called his doctor and his lawyer and let them know what was going on. And no, they weren't happy to hear from me. No wonder so many people can't get help!
I don't think that going through the detox/early recovery phase on camera is going to lead to success. Conway is an ACTOR. He's playing to the cameras.
I certainly hope he's able to find a way to break the addiction, but he isn't going to do it on television. He has to get really honest to get straight - and that ain't gonna happen on TV.
I am not so sure Jeff will die anytime soon - unless it is through suicide. The first time he was on the show, Dr Drew said he had worked with Jeff before as Jeff had been through rehab several times already. I think he's one of those addicts like Shane McGowan that knows where the limits are and takes it RIGHT UP to that limit.
At one point during this series, Dr Drew tells Jeff that surgery won't help him and he needed to find a sober way to deal with the pain as it was not going away. Jeff said he wanted to commit suicide then. I was actually surprised that he had not come to that conclusion before that episode.
I cannot imagine being told that the pain was never getting fixed and you were either doomed to a life of constant and what appears like debilitating pain OR a life of being a complete addict.
@TriedandTrue: I actually was having chronic "severe" (in the words of my doctor) left shoulder muscle spasm for years, which eventually caused the entire left side of my body to tighten up and hurt, constantly. I had a terrible experience with percocet, it made me really, REALLY sick to my stomach. Vicodin worked but I was really afraid of becoming addicted, just because it felt SO GOOD to be free of pain for once. Plus the psychological effects of the opiate.
I finally found a great doctor at a pain clinic who did a procedure called a cervical nerve branch block, which is where they stick a really huge needle into some of the nerves leaving your spinal column and use either heat or electrical impulses to deaden them - essentially to burn them out. In the neck they can't use heat, and I think the electrical impluses wear off more quickly, but my god, it was the only thing that helped me. and believe me, I tried, PT, yoga, acupuncture, EVERYTHING.
the horrible thing about this is that I went to a series of orthopedic surgeons who treated me like total shit and implied that I was making the whole thing up because they couldn't find an obvious cause on an x-ray(never mind the fact that they didn't try very hard - I only found out that there are myriad nerve conduction studies, MRIs, and other things they can do to try to diagnose these things AFTER I almost gave up). I'm still angry about it. It really, really annoys me that so many people have to essentially do their own medical legwork and research, that so many MDs are either too lazy to really look for the cause of a problem, or worse, tell you that it's all in your head. (After finding my last doctor I discovered that I have mild osteoarthritis in my neck, extra bone growth that was impinging on my cervical branch nerves.)
Anyway. This is all to say that I can absolutely understand the problems of a person in chronic pain, especially if there is not an immediately obvious cause. Not only are you always in pain, but too often you get assfucked by the medical community.
@southwer: this is not to say that Jeff Conaway has necessarily been assfucked by the medical community. I am not familiar with the cause of his injury or anything. just my experience with this topic. But yeah - what if I hadn't found that doctor, and had gone undiagnosed? intractable pain is not a joke. I probably would have eventually become an opiate addict or killed myself.
@southwer: I get the pain aspect, too (to a degree, anyway, since I've never experienced chronic pain), but the difference between you and Jeff, though, like Idontwanna said, is that yoga and PT DID help him. He just doesn't want to get off the drugs, and neither does his sorry excuse for a girlfriend. It's sad, but it seems to be the truth, and I agree that if he doesn't want to get off the drugs, don't impede other peoples' progress. He was tolerable last season -- at least marginally, anyway, but this time it was like, just fucking GO, already, God!
Whenever I watch this show, I get this overwhelming feeling in the pit of my stomach that I do not want to be in the same room with Jeff Conaway. The "danger feeling" that I used to get when I was around violent men with dementia when I worked at a nursing home.
I don't know, but 3 weeks certainly isn't long enough to deal with all of the issues that these people have going on. To think that they were sent out to a bar three after entering rehab is really scary to me. It took me much, much longer.
I definitely think the relationship that Jeff and his girlfriend have is a toxic one. You saw how quickly she helped him find his pills?? Didn't even try to talk him to try other things. Like maybe...a nap!
@pantsless economist: Yeah but for some strange reason they kept letting her come by and see him and visit and stuff.
I can only hope that it was for dramatic effect and a real rehab wouldn't let that happen because it was so incredibly clear that their relationship was unhealthy.
@dirtybee: You know all those comedy shows where someone inevitably gets morphine and they're like 'ooooh morphine goood'? Yea, that's pretty much true. You're high as a fucking kite and someone could hit you with a sledgehammer and you'd still keep trucking.
@battleaxonista: Yeah, it helps that morphine is an opiate. It relieves the pain, sort of sedates you and you can get high on it too. It's the perfect combination for an addict.
@dirtybee: They don't do a damn thing for me, but apparently they're great for some (most) people -- hence the "hillbilly heroin" nickname.
My boyfriend got Vicodin for a dental procedure and Percocet after another surgery, and they make him loopy...but they do nothing to me. I think I have too many opioids in my brain already, which could explain why (a) opiate drugs don't work for me (at least not in regular dosages), and (b) I'm constantly itchy.
@onwarddouchebagsoldiers: @battleaxonista: Ohhhh I see. I took painkillers the past few days because I had pulled my back out, but I mostly just felt drowsy and wanted to sleep under my desk.
@dirtybee: I get percocets for kidney stones and honestly.. I could totally see the appeal. It's not a high like pot or shrooms (which are really my only two drugs that I could compare it with). It's not like you're so high you don't know what's going on.. it's more like... you know what's going on, but you're just completely relaxed and chilled out. And everything is great. Anything that would normally piss you off (ie. your mom, an annoying friend) you'll be like "aww I miss her. I'm gonna call her". At least with me that's what it's like. And movies are all great.
Wow. I'm not an addict btw. Just saying.. I get it.
@skittishpixie: Isn't it? And if I'm in public and have taken them I chat EVERYONE up. I just think the world is amazing, and talking to everyone I pass will make me so much happier. It's messed.
I took some before a flight and basically accosted a pilot in the terminal. The poor guy just wanted to buy a salad and I wouldn't shut up.
@onwarddouchebagsoldiers: Ugh, you just reminded me-- when I had to take them for an injury they made me so sick. It took me a few tries of lowering the dosage to finally be able to take them without being nauseous. I think I ended up at 1/4 of the dose they originally prescribed. At that point it took the edge off the pain quite nicely, but I never felt "high" or anything.
@dirtybee: It's like any drug. You have to try it to understand it.
I'm not an addict, but I do like getting high (just not often). You know how some people like the effect of alcohol and others don't? Same thing applies to pot, heroin, cocaine, meth, shrooms, OC's, etc.
@Kivrin: I've been given morphine (in the ER when I burned my foot) and percocet (when I had my wisdom teeth out), and neither had any effect on me. I mean, no effect at all - not only did they not affect my mood, they didn't even get rid of the pain.
I was since told by my doctor that some people don't have whatever receptor makes these drugs effective, and I must be one of them. The strongest thing I've ever had that worked is toradol, which I believe is asprin-based.
@thecameralovesyou: @duetoprivacy: @J.D.Regent: @xer0: @Snowbunny: and everyone else - thanks! Understand that this question is coming from someone that NEVER saw any type of drug until after college. Yeah you read that right, after.
@Breamworthy: @Kivrin: Add me (& my mom) to the "Morphine doesn't do squat" camp. (No itchiness, tho.)
But my god, after my 2nd c-section they gave me mega doses of morphine to try to help the pain, and I kept saying "Just get me some fucking ADVIL." But, noooo, it was all "oh, poor thing, let's try another cc."
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I used to love Kenicki (I can't spell)- and now he's just going to die all drugged out and an asshole.
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She also took one look at my face and knew I going through something. I'm on day 8 of withdrawing from Cymbalta, which while not a opiate, is a powerful drug in its own right, and also alters brain chemistry. I chose to go cold turkey, against medical advice, and this week has been hell.
And dudes, I had come from a cookie decorating party in my son't class, and even had make-up on!! Maybe it was the shakes and the sweating?
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Be careful going off your meds. I've gone through withdrawals with Effexor a few times, and it was no fun.
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This is misery, but the drug was harming my liver and making me sleep 16 hours a day. I can't live like that any more.
My knuckles - theyz white.
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Apparently, these notes were either not being read by his primary doc or were not getting to his primary doc.
I called his doctor and his lawyer and let them know what was going on. And no, they weren't happy to hear from me. No wonder so many people can't get help!
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I certainly hope he's able to find a way to break the addiction, but he isn't going to do it on television. He has to get really honest to get straight - and that ain't gonna happen on TV.
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I do hope Sean reconsiders.
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I dozed off before the end!
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This irks me to no end. I think he's a really good actor; I liked his Zack Allen on Babylon 5. It just rips me up to know he can't get past this.
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I read the article title and I thought "No, can't be"... video took ages to load and when it did I thought... Ohh for the fuck of shit...
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I cannot imagine being told that the pain was never getting fixed and you were either doomed to a life of constant and what appears like debilitating pain OR a life of being a complete addict.
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I finally found a great doctor at a pain clinic who did a procedure called a cervical nerve branch block, which is where they stick a really huge needle into some of the nerves leaving your spinal column and use either heat or electrical impulses to deaden them - essentially to burn them out. In the neck they can't use heat, and I think the electrical impluses wear off more quickly, but my god, it was the only thing that helped me. and believe me, I tried, PT, yoga, acupuncture, EVERYTHING.
the horrible thing about this is that I went to a series of orthopedic surgeons who treated me like total shit and implied that I was making the whole thing up because they couldn't find an obvious cause on an x-ray(never mind the fact that they didn't try very hard - I only found out that there are myriad nerve conduction studies, MRIs, and other things they can do to try to diagnose these things AFTER I almost gave up). I'm still angry about it. It really, really annoys me that so many people have to essentially do their own medical legwork and research, that so many MDs are either too lazy to really look for the cause of a problem, or worse, tell you that it's all in your head. (After finding my last doctor I discovered that I have mild osteoarthritis in my neck, extra bone growth that was impinging on my cervical branch nerves.)
Anyway. This is all to say that I can absolutely understand the problems of a person in chronic pain, especially if there is not an immediately obvious cause. Not only are you always in pain, but too often you get assfucked by the medical community.
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I definitely think the relationship that Jeff and his girlfriend have is a toxic one. You saw how quickly she helped him find his pills?? Didn't even try to talk him to try other things. Like maybe...a nap!
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I can only hope that it was for dramatic effect and a real rehab wouldn't let that happen because it was so incredibly clear that their relationship was unhealthy.
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It's just that simple.
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My boyfriend got Vicodin for a dental procedure and Percocet after another surgery, and they make him loopy...but they do nothing to me. I think I have too many opioids in my brain already, which could explain why (a) opiate drugs don't work for me (at least not in regular dosages), and (b) I'm constantly itchy.
/random medical speculation and overshare
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Wow. I'm not an addict btw. Just saying.. I get it.
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"Anything that would normally piss you off (ie. your mom, an annoying friend) you'll be like "aww I miss her. I'm gonna call her"
So true!
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I took some before a flight and basically accosted a pilot in the terminal. The poor guy just wanted to buy a salad and I wouldn't shut up.
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I'm not an addict, but I do like getting high (just not often). You know how some people like the effect of alcohol and others don't? Same thing applies to pot, heroin, cocaine, meth, shrooms, OC's, etc.
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I was since told by my doctor that some people don't have whatever receptor makes these drugs effective, and I must be one of them. The strongest thing I've ever had that worked is toradol, which I believe is asprin-based.
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But my god, after my 2nd c-section they gave me mega doses of morphine to try to help the pain, and I kept saying "Just get me some fucking ADVIL." But, noooo, it was all "oh, poor thing, let's try another cc."
Blergh.
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