oh for Pete's sake. when will people accept that the woman wasn't some closet nympho, that there is no 'secret love affair' hidden in her poems. My Lecturer who taught me a course on jane austen, who just happens to have studied her life and works for the past 20 years, pretty much said there is NO evidence. none. zip.
and i'm going to go with the expert.
(btw. he also said that she was a biting satirist and proto-feminist, so he's no conservative academic dustball)
@Rummy_McGin: My favourite quote from Northanger Abbey
"history, real solemn history, I cannot be interested in. ... I read it a little as a duty, but it tells me nothing that does not either vex or weary me. The quarrels of popes and kings, with wars or pestilences in every page; the men all so good for nothing, and hardly any women at all - it is very tiresome."
(Catherine Morland)
It made me think how little we women are considered in "History"
It is a truth universally constructed, that two single woman in possession of sensibility, must be in want of a catfight. However little anyone cares about the feelings or views of such women may be on their first entering popular consciousness, this truth is so well fixed in the minds of the culture, that they are considered as the rightful intellectual property of some one or other of its stereotypes.
Jane Austen's (apparently perplexing) unmarried state seems to have spawned an entire industry of disbelieving articles & books puzzling over this astonishing fact. I call it the "Posterity as Concerned Aunt" genre.
@Your Screenplay Sucks: Although if she had married, we wouldn't have all these fabulous novels (as she would have been way too busy birthing and chasing children, and possibly dying in childbirth).
@Ailatan: Actually, forget Jane Austen, I can watch them going around in their period garb, talking in British accents, sometimes riding horses or swimming in lakes. I find it strange how some actors (and people i general) have period-appropriate faces. And how it pains me when I see a contemporary face in a period movie. /I hope that's a valid comment, and that it won't ged dissemvoweled/
@Tu-lip: I think it has to do with having the right clothes, and not just being "costumes" if the hair and make up are good, people will look like the period. I didn't like Keira Knightley in P&P because she looked "in a costume" her wig was not good, you could see her short hair below the wig.
@Tu-lip: When Billie Piper (who I love in other stuff) did Mansfield Park, something about her just looked so modern, so out-of-place. I couldn't get past it.
I know it's cool to find people's old letters and stuff, but I just can't help be embarrassed for the people who left them behind. I feel like I'm snooping reading people's diaries and private correspondence. Maybe I'm just projecting my own (slightly irrational) need to keep everything private.
@save jinger: rip it up before you die. I went to a funeral where the husband had "discovered" his wife's journal a few days after her death, and read her innermost thoughts aloud to the congregation.
@save jinger: I feel embarassed just reading my own old diaries and letters. But I kind of feel like, once the person, and everyone who ever knew that person, is dead, it isn't snooping anymore. If it was a friend's letters from not that long ago, I'd be a bit upset by it; but considering these letters are 200 years old, I don't worry too much about it. Maybe this is just fancy rationalization, but I feel like there is a difference.
@RoxNminral: Yeah, I guess I just think, would I want people reading my shit after I die? And the answer is obviously "hell no," so I have to wonder what Jane Austen or Emily Dickinson or Anne Frank would think of us reading theirs. Which reminds me:
@brendastarlet is on it: I'm going to be buried with all my journals and letters. It's going in my will. And omdfg, I would so come back and haunt the ass off my spouse if he did that. Chains rattling, midnight howls, gusts of cold wind - the whole nine yards.
@Penny: bish plz. Cassie "Clay" Austen was the bare-knuckle champ of Stevenson from 1803 until 1809 when she was unseated in a grueling 12-round fight by a little-known member of the Bronte clan.
As a lit major, I say free Austen from her American jail, and let her be a real English author with flaws and strange alleyways of her own instead of the center for all kinds of crazy perverse projections we seem to pile upon her.
Austen is not even my favorite 19th c female author- that honor goes to the Bronte sisters- but i think for Austen it's the heady combination of being the flagstaff for deferring-yet-intelligent authors who don't break the status quo (and in fact continue to define it centuries after its death) and her use of old plots to new, perhaps subtler ends that really lends her well to commerce.
What I do want to see is the meme for which sad and lonely Wharton character one represents. All the James women are the same, so that quiz might be harder to figure out.
Also, one final note-- why is it that people are so obsessed and yet can never spell her name right?
"Not that Jane was unfamiliar with financial crises and banking failures"
In times of crisis, I like to rant about how much I hate it when people refer to Jane Austen as "Jane" like they went to middle school together and are BFFs 4-evah.
Jane Austen was ruined for me in high school by a group of girls and one teacher who insisted on doing this, and on treating Jane Austen novels like they were a secret message written in invisible ink that appeared only to those with a smugness level of 90% or higher.
Thanks for this, Sadie. I'm so tired of Austen being dragged down into everything. No, Virginia, Austen does not explain it all. How about people think for themselves as to what they should do instead of wondering what Jane, Jesus or Angelina would do?
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and i'm going to go with the expert.
(btw. he also said that she was a biting satirist and proto-feminist, so he's no conservative academic dustball)
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"history, real solemn history, I cannot be interested in. ... I read it a little as a duty, but it tells me nothing that does not either vex or weary me. The quarrels of popes and kings, with wars or pestilences in every page; the men all so good for nothing, and hardly any women at all - it is very tiresome."
(Catherine Morland)
It made me think how little we women are considered in "History"
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As a lit major, I say free Austen from her American jail, and let her be a real English author with flaws and strange alleyways of her own instead of the center for all kinds of crazy perverse projections we seem to pile upon her.
Austen is not even my favorite 19th c female author- that honor goes to the Bronte sisters- but i think for Austen it's the heady combination of being the flagstaff for deferring-yet-intelligent authors who don't break the status quo (and in fact continue to define it centuries after its death) and her use of old plots to new, perhaps subtler ends that really lends her well to commerce.
What I do want to see is the meme for which sad and lonely Wharton character one represents. All the James women are the same, so that quiz might be harder to figure out.
Also, one final note-- why is it that people are so obsessed and yet can never spell her name right?
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In times of crisis, I like to rant about how much I hate it when people refer to Jane Austen as "Jane" like they went to middle school together and are BFFs 4-evah.
Jane Austen was ruined for me in high school by a group of girls and one teacher who insisted on doing this, and on treating Jane Austen novels like they were a secret message written in invisible ink that appeared only to those with a smugness level of 90% or higher.
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