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    Literary Ambitions

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    Image of tiredfairy tiredfairy
    11/19/09

    In reply to Literary Ambitions
    Only if you think P&P is only about the romance. Which is great and well crafted. But it's also scathing social, class, and gender role critique.

    I love a good sex scene, but P&P doesn't need one.
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    11/19/09

    @tiredfairy: Also, socioeconomic analysis. Which *definitely* doesn't need a sex scene.
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    11/19/09

    @la.donna.pietra: Exactly. P&P isn't "just" a romance. It always disappoints me when people don't see that.
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    11/19/09

    In reply to Literary Ambitions
    I'm sure that Jane, were she alive, would have some choice things to say about Amis' work as well.
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    11/19/09

    In reply to Literary Ambitions
    I've read loads of Martin Amis and no Jane Austen. Am I alone in this?
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    11/19/09

    @Diziet_Sma: yes
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    11/19/09

    @superbonbon: Guess so!
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    Image of JessaFields JessaFields
    11/19/09

    @Diziet_Sma: No! I love The Rachel Papers and Yellow Dog.
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    11/19/09

    @JessaFields: Cool! Success, Money, London Fields and Experience are my favorites.
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    11/19/09

    In reply to Literary Ambitions
    Having read some of those P&P steamy novel spin-offs, I disagree. I read one last year that was plenty sexy, but it involved Lizzy and Darcy having premarital sex, and it just didn't fit the time or their characters. I ended up just being annoyed by it.
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    11/19/09

    @thesciencegirl: I won't read those books. Way to just steal someone else's characters and run!
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    11/19/09

    @thesciencegirl: The only one I read that was at all steamy was Mr. Darcy Takes a Wife, and I just found it embarrassing. I'm no prude; I prefer my contemporary romances with explicit sex. But I like Lizzie and Darcy just the way they are.
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    11/19/09

    @TheFormerJuneBronson: I'm so glad I'm not the only one. I love erotica, but I could barely finish this book. The whole "pillow" thing int the first few chapters gave me the icks.
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    11/19/09

    @TheFormerJuneBronson: That book was so bad it made me cry a little. "Betwixt" is not a unilateral substitution for "between," FFS. It's like a fifteen year old's idea of what period literature is.
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    11/19/09

    @stonebiscuit rolled a 1 on initiative: Agreed. Though I did think her notion of Wickham's fate--if I'm remembering the right one--was about right.

    #tips
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    11/20/09

    @curiousgeorgiana: I picked it up in B&N, got to the pillow part and put it right down. Sheesh! JA must be spinning in her grave.
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    11/19/09

    In reply to Literary Ambitions
    For me the only thing that could improve any work by Jane Austen, but especially Pride and Prejudice is throwing said books in the bin...
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    11/19/09

    @gherkinfiend: You and me. We are DONE. You'll be gunning for Edith Wharton next, won't you?

    You CAD.
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    11/19/09

    @gherkinfiend: Aw! But it's such a great social/class/gender critique.
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    11/20/09

    @A Small Turnip: Don't worry m'dear. I love Edith Wharton with all my cold heart. Now that's social commentary Jane Austen wishes she could have written!

    Although I admit my Austen bias has a lot to do with being forced to read Mansfield Park repeatedly. Even Austen lovers don't get so swoony over that one, do they?



    #tips
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    11/20/09

    @gherkinfiend: Fanny Price is a tit. Fact. What a colossal, snivelling little used kleenex of a character. I loathe her as viscerally as it its possible to loathe someone who doesn't actually exist. Mansfield Park sucks; everyone knows that.

    Just don't go talkin' shit about badass Elinor Dashwood, and it's all good, mate. We's cool.
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    11/05/09

    In reply to Yeah, THAT's A Good Reason.
    It's that damn Austen. She's so hot right now. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    In reply to Yeah, THAT's A Good Reason.
    As someone who visits the homes from the adaptations everytime I visit England, I would seriously go to that fun exhibit.

    (P&P 2005 Pemberley is my absolute FAVORITE. They have full-sized Mr. Darcy portraits there...for sale! I spent a lot of money there. A lot.) #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @quatrevingtquatre: My friend painted me a Mr. Darcy portrait. She is seriously talented. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @Experiment626:
    Gift shop items: [img21.imageshack.us]

    Pemberley:
    [img682.imageshack.us] #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @quatrevingtquatre: Nancy Mitford's sister Deborah owns that place - she's the duchess of Devonshire!

    (It is Chatsworth in real life, right?)
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    11/05/09


    @quatrevingtquatre: ooh! Pemberley. I want to go to there.

    Whenever I find myself on a cliff or you know, small hill, with the wind blowing in my hair I like to pretend that I am experiencing this moment (to aid the recreation, I have the P&P soundtrack on my ipod). #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @thesciencegirl: ME TOO! I had the P&P soundtrack on loop for my whole trip there. It was absolutely perfect.

    @ardentlilac: It's a portrait of Colin Firth as Mr. Darcy in the 1995 P&P!

    @GreyEminence:
    Yes! Chatsworth! I loved it. I was cheap and took a kind of round about way to get there...Kings Cross to Derby, Derby to Matlock and a bus to Chatsworth House. Everyone could tell I was not from those parts and they were friendly and helpful and I even got a penpal out if it. I absolutely fell in love with the English countryside. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @GreyEminence: And no more awkward than Blenheim? #janeausten
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    Image of LaComtesse LaComtesse
    11/05/09

    In reply to Yeah, THAT's A Good Reason.
    So… a ubiquitous spike public interest in a given topic isn’t a good reason to have an exhibit? Need it be loftier?

    Ya know I love you, Sadie, but timing means a lot in the museum world. An exhibit on the art of Iraq is going to get more coverage, say, in 2003 than in 1999. An exhibit on biracial Americans is going to get more coverage around the 2008 election than it would before. Coverage means visitors, visitors mean money, money means you can keep doing what you do.

    Were Jane Austen, Iraqi art, and biracial Americans worthy topics before the events that make them timely? Of course, but that’s not how you draw an audience. And the Morgan is a non-profit, and non-profits are hurtin’, and we need to draw audiences. I don’t see that there’s any shame in admitting it. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @LaComtesse: My museum studies certificate and I agree with you. And frankly, we studied way weirder/more gratituitous/more offensive exhibits and advertising campaigns in the process. I don't really understand the objection here. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @LaComtesse: And as thatsrealbutter pointed out below, a lot of it is manuscripts. Unless the subject is interesting to them, the average person doesn't care about manuscripts. They are not pretty or shiny or exciting the way dinosaur skeletons and artwork are. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @alula: Museum professional here and :-D.

    There are exhibits whose topic is entirely dictated by funders. WAY crasser than "We can get people interested in A because of B." #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @LaComtesse: Does something that occurs over 20-30 years qualify as a ubiquitous spike? Why is it more timely now than, say, when the Pride & Prejudice was released? Or in the 90's when Emma was released? #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @Lymed: Emma has a new version in the U.K. it will be shown in the U.S. in January/February 2010, there are been new versions of S&S, P&P, Persuasion, Northanger Abbey and Mansfield Park all this from 2003 to 2009... so I guess it's still going strong.
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    11/05/09

    @Lymed: Because it shows a continued interest in the subject, maybe? It also takes some time to mount an exhibit, I think, so you can't always respond to cultural events and trends as quickly as one might like. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @Ailatan: I'm not suggesting it is still going strong, but the idea that it is timely because there have been movies for 2o-30 years doesn't make sense. It might be timely because there has been an increase in movies in the last few years. Or it might show that there is a continued interest in Austen that there have been movies of her works made for 20-30 years. But it doesn't make it timely. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @Lymed: in the grand scheme of things 20/30 years is not much, and I guess from a museum's pov is very little, I don't know. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @Lymed: Okay, the dude used poor wording. Life goes on. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @LaComtesse: Jealous! #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @LaComtesse: Like when the Boston MFA placed a donor's sailboat on the front lawn and called it an exhibit?

    I can't see the objection to this at all, especially when compared with a sailboat. Or cars. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    In reply to Yeah, THAT's A Good Reason.
    To be fair, this is a manuscript collection. Finding a way to draw in people to come look at letters and manuscripts does require a draw (not for Austen lovers, but for a lot of other people). If the exhibit can inspire any of its visitors to check out Austen's written works then good on the Morgan Library for taking advantage those adaptations #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    In reply to Yeah, THAT's A Good Reason.
    Anything is timely if it within 2 or 3 decades. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    In reply to Yeah, THAT's A Good Reason.
    "It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a franchise in
    possession of a good fortune made by Austen adaptations, must be in want of a Jane Austen exhibit." #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    In reply to Yeah, THAT's A Good Reason.
    Becoming Jane was so unbearable it was one of a select few films I couldn't even bring myself to finish. Not even James McAvoy could save it for me. Anne Hathaway may be a talented actress but this was not a good attempt on her part. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @EkaterinaBallerina: Miss Austen Regrets FTW! #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @EkaterinaBallerina: You know what's awful? I find the movie's content pretty terrible, and its consideration of her work and life inconsistent at best. But true confessions: I own the movie, I watch it not infrequently, and at the end, I cry every damn time. I know. It's embarrassing. But the thought of having McAvoy, and then losing McAvoy, is that earth-shattering to me. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @EkaterinaBallerina: Yeah, it just... wasn't good. And I love pretty much all things Jane Austen. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @jigglyball: oh, there's so much that's wrong with the film historically and whatnot, but it's hard for me to turn my nose up at jim mcavoy for any reason, much less maggie smith.

    i think my love for it is precisely because it's not a happy ending. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @jigglyball: Yeah and that was my problem as well. I could have probably suffered through her weak accent and the choppy story if there was the possibility of a good ending. But alas no. That's why I love Penelope so much, good story, good ending. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @EkaterinaBallerina: Aw, I love Penelope, too. For more than McAvoy. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @Ailatan: Oh, yes! That movie doesn't romanticize Jane Austen and has great performances. It affects me more emotionally than Becoming Jane any day. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @girlleastlikelyto: I saw it again recently, and it's so beautiful and the Olivia Williams' performance is so touching, lovely. #janeausten
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    Image of Mary McCarthyite Mary McCarthyite
    11/05/09

    In reply to Yeah, THAT's A Good Reason.
    Translation: "We need to make money. People like Jane Austen. So we organized this exhibition hoping to make more money. Check out our gift shop!" #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @Mary McCarthyite: To be fair, they do have a very nice gift shop. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @Mary McCarthyite: And sadly, this shit would work on me. Don't get me wrong, I love Jane Austen for plenty of intellectually valid reasons and whatnot, but an exhibit? With Jane Austen tchotchkes? Don't mind if I do. I mean, my dinner table has been calling out for a Pemberley centerpiece for ages. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @jigglyball: You might enjoy this shoppe: [www.etsy.com] #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @jigglyball: Darling, you must get one! Here is some Austeniana you can get at the (@hfree very lovely) giftshop :

    [www.themorgan.org] #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @Mary McCarthyite, @jenilane: I love you both. I am now drawing up my Christmas list. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @Mary McCarthyite: So you want musuems to put on exhibits few people are interested in? I don't get the problem. #janeausten
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    11/05/09


    @jenilane: OOH! I want all of that, especially the mugs. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @clevernamehere: I have no objection to the exhibition. The curator's quote is just funny. In the last 20-30 years and the word timely together in the same sentence don't make sense to me. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @jigglyball: Have you read Stephanie Barron's Jane Austen mysteries? They get kind of annoying by the end, but the early ones are actually really good. Way better than the sexay sequels to P&P that people keep writing. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @theKP: I've never explored the sexy Austen fanfic, because I find plenty of, um, stimulation in the originals, but the mystery angle sounds cool! I'll check them out -thanks for the recommendation. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    In reply to Yeah, THAT's A Good Reason.
    like jane austen ever needs a reason.
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    11/05/09

    In reply to Yeah, THAT's A Good Reason.
    Further proof that nobody reads anymore. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @CurtCole: I totes read the one with zombies in it. #janeausten
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    11/05/09

    @BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit): I'm thinking of writing one entitled Pride, Prejudice, Pralines, and Pecans.
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    11/05/09

    @CurtCole: did someone say...pralines?!?!?!?! #janeausten
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