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OK_NiceLegs (formerly: thevickinator)
05/04/09

In reply to S.E. Hinton Dishes On Porn, Gender, & Matt Dillon
OMG YOU GUYS! I WAS IN THAT JANE AUSTEN CLASS AT TU!! I SAT *RIGHT* NEXT TO HER.

She was personal friends with my proff and pretty cool herself. And it was a kickass class too- Jane Austen in Film and Literature.
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Lolita Hazed
05/04/09

@thevickinator: REPPIN' T-TOWN!!
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Mafalda para Presidente
05/04/09

In reply to S.E. Hinton Dishes On Porn, Gender, & Matt Dillon
Um, if you're a girl/woman and you are thinking, then you are thinking as what you are. There's no such thing as "thinking like a girl" or "like a boy"...you can only think like yourself.

These statements bother me so much.
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graciousplum
05/04/09

In reply to S.E. Hinton Dishes On Porn, Gender, & Matt Dillon
Hands down, one of the shittiest books I've ever been forced to read.
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Diziet_Sma
05/04/09

@graciousplum: What was?
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MockMyWorld
05/04/09

In reply to S.E. Hinton Dishes On Porn, Gender, & Matt Dillon
I never felt compelled to read her stuff even as a book-crazy teenager, perhaps for the very reason that it was sold so hard as A Female Author Writing Like a Guy, and "writing like a guy" seemed to mean you restricted yourself to writing about gangs and other troubled males in leather jackets.

I guess I figured, why reject one literary gender stereotype only to replace it two seconds later with another?
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allyzay
05/04/09

In reply to S.E. Hinton Dishes On Porn, Gender, & Matt Dillon
are 98% of these comments some kind of "this is how we post on jezebel" joke or something?
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Penny
05/04/09

@allyzay: Yes.

There's no fooling you!
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Diziet_Sma
05/04/09

@allyzay: You could be forgiven for thinking that.
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Maulleigh
05/04/09

@allyzay: Yes2.
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Penny
05/04/09

In reply to S.E. Hinton Dishes On Porn, Gender, & Matt Dillon
Also, I should add that on my Twitter yesterday, I wrote "I am dying my hair, waxing, drinking a cocktail and watching I Love Lucy, there is officially no doubt that I have a vagina."

See, I just outed myself as a hypocrite. It's easy.
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Penny
05/04/09

@Penny: And I forgot to close up that italics tag. Opps. Let me just do this... in case the site doesn't take care of it on its own...
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Diziet_Sma
05/04/09

@Penny: Well, exactly. We all uphold the stereotypes from time to time, whether we like to admit it or not.
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ritualtheory
05/04/09

@Penny: Maybe except for the waxing, that sounds like a damned good time.
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Majrhoulihan
05/04/09

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I thought she meant to say, "I never identified with girls." I don't know, that doesn't offend me.
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Diziet_Sma
05/04/09

@Majrhoulihan: Meh, me either. I know what she means.
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Penny
05/04/09

In reply to S.E. Hinton Dishes On Porn, Gender, & Matt Dillon
I don't don't necessarily like her statement about thinking like a "girl" but I would argue that because being a girl is a gender construct you don't necessarily think like a girl because you have girlie parts.

My boyfriend is more a "girl" than I am.
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Khrushchev
05/04/09

In reply to S.E. Hinton Dishes On Porn, Gender, & Matt Dillon
This is not to slight Ms. Hinton, whose quote here is I think taken a bit out of context, but we need some female young adult authors writing from a female point of view who also don't "think like girls," by which I mean, the way girls are supposed to and presumed to think.
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heykoukla
05/04/09

@Khrushchev: I agree - for example, Scout Finch is a great example of a girl in popular literature "who doesn't think like a girl."
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JessicaLovejoy: Laughing, riding, cornholing!
05/04/09

In reply to S.E. Hinton Dishes On Porn, Gender, & Matt Dillon
TAKE THIS S.E. HINTON!

Unicorns and rainbows, two favorite things of girly girly girly girls!
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JenerationBoo
05/04/09

In reply to S.E. Hinton Dishes On Porn, Gender, & Matt Dillon
Well, I always thought Ponyboy was pretty fem- if you ask me.
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BellaTricks
05/04/09

@JenerationBoo: Duh. Not to mention Johnny. Johnnycake? Please.
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mepo - Robert Cornhole invented it
05/04/09

@JenerationBoo: Also Sodapop.
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somedisaster
05/04/09

In reply to S.E. Hinton Dishes On Porn, Gender, & Matt Dillon
Am I reading too much into it to think that maybe what she means is that she didn't think within the limitations conventionally forced upon girls at the time when she was growing up? I'm probably really reaching there. I just love her so much and don't want to believe she's buying into and reinforcing the gender binary like that.
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
05/04/09

@somedisaster: I like your version. I'm not sure I can swallow it all, but I'm heartily admiring both the direction of your spin and its velocity.
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heykoukla
05/04/09

@somedisaster: I was gonna say the same thing, because I really, really want to give her the benefit of the doubt. I'm going to sit here right by you and ignore the others criticising her, lalalala, I can't hear them, lalalalal...
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ritualtheory
05/04/09

@somedisaster: @somedisaster: That is exactly what I took from it, too.
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bluebears
05/04/09

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SIGH! well I'm out.
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Mama Penguino
05/04/09

@bluebears: Me, too. I was just taking a deep breath preparing to write my magnum opus on thinking like a girl/boy, but realized I might as well spend that time thinking like a zombie.
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cait98
05/04/09

In reply to S.E. Hinton Dishes On Porn, Gender, & Matt Dillon
I think girls think differently than guys. In general, we process language and spatial orientation differently, not better or worse but differently. For me, feminism is about social political and economic equality, not pretending the sexes are not at all different.
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restless
05/04/09

@cait98: True. Oh I knew she would get flamed, but it's out of context. What women really mean what they say something like this is: I think independent of gender stereotypes, therefore it may seem odd that I wrote from a man's p.o.v. She is not bashing women.
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Samanthrax
05/04/09

@cait98: I don't think that the sexes have no differences. I do not think those differences have any bearing on her ability to write from a different perspective. It's her wording that bothers me, you see?
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SarahMC
05/04/09

@cait98: So S.E. processes language differently and has better spatial orientation skills, which allowed her to write from a male perspective?
FAIL.
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baraqiel
05/04/09

@cait98: Yeah, but I'm pretty sure she didn't mean "I have a brain that has developed in the presence of an excess* of testosterone. It was transplanted to me by Dr. Frankenstein." She meant, "most women think in a way that is girly and I do not". The point is that the premise, that most women think in any particular way, isn't a statement anyone should be making.

*Chemically speaking.
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SarahMC
05/04/09

@cait98: That can't be what she means anyway because she's a woman and as you know, men and women are opposites.
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cait98
05/04/09

@cait98: I just said the biological stuff as an example of proven ways girls think differently than boys. I think we also think differently than boys because of what's imposed on us societally and culturally. To ignore that I don't think does anybody any favors.

She found it easy to adopt a male perspective, she tends to see the world from a male perspective. I don't think that statement puts down women. Not more than any author who sees the world differently than one might expect them to based on outward appearances.

As to the gender binary, well I think that's outside the scope of what I'm saying. I'm definitely speaking in generalizations, it's a complicated thing. Your sex impacts the way you think biologically, your gender impacts it socially.

My overall point is that it's ok to acknowledge differences and take on other ways of looking at the world - while not putting anyone down and still striving for equality of women.
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Ladia
05/04/09

@SarahMC: ball-cutting cybersuccubus:

Right, but she never said being a woman makes her incapable of thinking "like a man" (whatever that means). In fact, she said the opposite.
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Steve Holt's Mother Part Deux
05/04/09

@restless: I agree. Especially since she was growing up during 60's in Tulsa. I imagine that pink frilly dresses were de rigueur, and writing male characters, even "sensitive," male characters put her in the position of being an outcast. I think she is slamming feminine stereotypes, not women.
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SarahMC
05/04/09

@Ladia: She, a woman, said she doesn't think "like a girl."
The whole incident is one big oxymoron.
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baraqiel
05/04/09

@cait98: It's not that it puts other women down. It's that it assumes that men think one certain way, and women think a different way, but within those groups there is homogeneity and that's clearly not the case. I think it's kind of sad, honestly, that she perceives herself as so very different from others of her sex and gender that she's effectively disavowing membership in that sex and that gender insofar as her thinking processes are concerned. The alternative, which I find much more appealing, is that she could have worked to expand what we perceive as a woman's thoughts.
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PilgrimSoul
05/04/09

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I think like a bonobo. That may be an insult to bonobos everywhere.
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AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope
05/04/09

@PilgrimSoul: so it's just masturbation all the time then, is it?
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Samanthrax
05/04/09

@PilgrimSoul: Is that why you keep throwing your shit at me? I kindly asked you to stop.
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TildeMarks
05/04/09

@PilgrimSoul: Well hello there (Hump hump)!
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