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Designers On The Fashion Show Cry When Faced With "Real" Women

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sybann
06/05/09

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these are beautiful women who look damn good - until this no-talent bunch of hacks dress them. I'll give you Reco - that's cute. That last dress looks like a costume. A cheap costume.
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sybann
06/05/09

@sybann: And the first one looks like what a waitress or the hostess at IHOP would wear - only the hostess's ensemble would be better constructed. I can see the hem from here - and wtf is up with the sleeves and neckline?
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mbot says Spock yeah!
06/05/09

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I was actually surprised Isaac wasn't more angry with the designers, given his whole "design for all" with Target thing.
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Alys Brangwin has a huge talent
06/06/09

@mbot says Spock yeah!: I thought he was grandstanding because of that.
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rednrowdy
06/05/09

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hold on...tom and lorenzo said the following:

"..if they were actually dealing with obese clients we could at least understand some of their dismay (because that does require an entirely separate skillset)"

it does NOT require an entirely separate skillset to SEW CLOTHES regardless of the size of the person you are designing the clothes for!

the skills needed to make all clothes are...design a pattern, cut the pattern, sew the clothes together - THAT IS THE SKILL SET FOR A DESIGNER, REGARDLESS OF SIZE!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111

i'm not trying to be reductionist here, i'm trying to point out that clothes for EVERYONE are made the same way... is there some other kind of technique of fastening fabric together that doesn't involve a needle/thread/glue gun/velcro that i'm unaware of that cannot be done for someone who is obese?! um, NO. so yeah, tom and lorenzo, good intention on the first part, but utterly massive, horrendous fail on the follow through.
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Sputnik_Sweetheart
06/05/09

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"It's the hardest challenge. Because… all these girls, they have problems with their bodies."

I hate to break this to you, but there is no such thing as a perfect body. You may think that a size 0 model is perfect, but that is only because that is what you have been socially conditioned to think.

I am through being nice. Kiss my size 8 ass.
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AuntieBee
06/05/09

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Devil with a blue dress

blue dress, blue dress

Devil with a blue dress on!
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Hana Maru, used up old slutbag on the pole
06/05/09

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The contestants on this show are, for the most part, wretchedly untalented. However, something like this happened on Project Runway, and the designers were extremely upset and at a loss. Jeffrey was so mean to his client that she was crying.
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bluebears
06/05/09

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Plus, "The Fashion Show" is seriously the lamest show title ever.
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saintbernadette
06/05/09

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I haven't really watched this show, but isn't it supposed to be more of a real-world version of PR?

Like, these "designers" are actually trying to create sellable stuff, not high-fashion stuff, right?

So who the fuck did they think they'd be designing for?
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babyruthless
06/05/09

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"Tell me: What is the thing that bothers you most about your body."

I remember going to a weekend retreat when I was in high school, and we were asked what we disliked most about our bodies (seems counterproductive to me, but whatever).

After hearing a bunch of girls whine about their size-six thighs or slightly bumpy nose, it got to be my turn. I hated that my knees hurt most of the time, even though I was just 15. I thought that wasn't fair. And it wasn't even a particularly serious medical condition, just something that I found annoying. I guess the other girls were lucky that they didn't have anything actually wrong with them, but I don't think anyone just said "you know what, I like my body." And that is sad.
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sequined
06/05/09

@babyruthless: I think announcing to a room what you dislike about your body reinforces that dislike in your own head. Which I think is sad. If you never admitted to yourself that you kind of suspect you might have cellulite, you probably aren't wasting your time thinking about it, and talking about it at retreats, etc. I think thinking about what your body can DO is so much more productive--"I'm thrilled that these size-X thighs climbed a mountain last week!" etc.
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emilyanne
06/05/09

@babyruthless: the moment I realised I was failing at mastering basic human skill sets came at boarding school when all the girls in my class used to queue up at night to point out their flaws and say things to me like 'don't you think my thighs are fat and horrible' 'tell me the truth i'm really overweight aren't I' and I would be unable to say anything beyond 'I'm sorry i never look at your thighs, I am completely uninterested in them and I've never considered them in any way'.

Then they would say what do you hate about your body and i would say (truthfully) 'the fact that it's not double jointed because I always wanted to do weird shit like my sister and freak people out'. I didn't have an amazing body or anything - i was a short arsed size 8 - I just never really thought about my looks much. And it depressed me to be somewhere where that was all anyone did.
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IceRoadHooker
06/05/09

@emilyanne: retreats are supposed to be positive. why in the world would they even put the idea in kid's heads that they would dislike something about their body? I agree with sequined--it only reinforces negative behavior.
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emilyanne
06/05/09

@IceRoadHooker: I don't know because i've never been on a retreat and wasn't talking about it - did you mean to respond to me?
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small-fox
06/05/09

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I won't defend awful attitudes, but these people are designers not tailors. They have been taught techniques for designing; their knowledge of grading and sewing for the average woman are minimal and secondary to their job. Their job is to make the sample size, and their crew of minions is responsible for making it wearable in the non-sample sizes.

So yeah, they're ridiculously scared of "fatties" with "fatties" being anyone over a size 4, but this isn't what they've been trained to do.

Also, that bustier-style vest combo is pretty hot. It's pretty obviously made by someone who does have experience making wearable non-sample size clothes. He should have won.
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tscheese
06/05/09

@small-fox: I won't argue with you here--I mean, I doubt most designers actually spend hours behind their own sewing machines--but shouldn't they at least know some basics?
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Hana Maru, used up old slutbag on the pole
06/05/09

@small-fox: Yeah, but it's absurd when designers are in the business of selling clothes to humans, that they can only work with emaciated teenagers, and then minions are supposed to translate that, or whatever. It just speaks to how out of touch the fashion industry is from its customers, and to how women are expected to diet down so we look good in fashion, instead of fashion being made to fit and flatter us. We just got a little insight into how much they hate us and that's worth commenting on.
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Kali Mama
06/05/09

@tscheese: Imagine an architect throwing his hands up and exclaiming he can't work with oak rafters, or choreographers that just can't incorporate hand gestures.
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small-fox
06/05/09

@tscheese: They know some basics, but if you were an art major in oils with a functional knowledge of pastels, wouldn't you be a little lost if you had to do your portfolio in pastel instead of oils? It's the same thing. I sew and I am proficient in normal sizes, but my ability to do plus sizes is limited. And yeah, it's different to go from an 8 to an 18 than a 2 to an 8, but it is a challenge to figure out the curves. I gained weight recently and sewing around my new bust and butt is a lot more hassle than it was when I was two sizes smaller, and I'm not under the pressure of TV competition.

@Hana Maru is on facebook Friends plz!: perhaps, but high fashion has never been in touch with average people. Would you want to wear any of that stuff to work? I wouldn't. Design is about just that--design--which then gets adapted down to wearable sizes and styles. It doesn't particularly bother me that they only design inspiration pieces (stuff that goes down the cat walk) in a size 2. When I go to Nordie's, they have a wearable, less ostentatious version in my size. That doesn't cost $4,000.
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Hana Maru, used up old slutbag on the pole
06/05/09

@small-fox: But to say that it never has(debatable) doesn't mean that it's not a valid criticism.
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apocalypse-nowish
06/05/09

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Sounds like James-Paul wants to be the next Christian Siriano. They're both raging assholes, so it could work.
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maybeimamazed02
06/05/09

@apocalypse-nowish: Christian actually had talent, though.
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casi nadie
06/05/09

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As I see it, this is totally non-sensical. Isn't the goal of a designer to see their clothing on the red carpet, on someone famous?

Sure, some actresses have model proportions. Not all. Not even most, actually. Soooooo . . . really, this is just setting themselves up for failure.
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PreposterousHypothesis
06/05/09

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And we were wondering why the fashion industry seems like it's ignoring a huge market segment? This would be why. Some designers feel it's beneath them to design for not-ideal bodies. It's probably like some snobby artists refusing to have their work shown in certain galleries because it's not trendy enough.
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PreposterousHypothesis
06/05/09

@PreposterousHypothesis: And I should clarify, I mean "fashion-industry" ideal.
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tscheese
06/05/09

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Also? I don't really hate any of these looks, but they're not at all astonishing or innovative. I'm narwhal feet tall and weigh narwhal, but I'm pretty sure I could put together these looks on my own.
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sequined
06/05/09

@tscheese: I hate to do this to you, but you should know that if you're narwahl feet tall and weigh narwahl you're like, unhealthy. You should weigh somewhere between sea urchin and porpoise, or else you should diet. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just saying.
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Plum-Pie
06/05/09

@tscheese: When you get a plankton craving, snack on seaweed instead! You'll be as pretty as a mermaid (almost) in no time!
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TildeMarks
06/05/09

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*headdesk*

Really, If I, a completely self taught and marginally poor seamstress can make nice clothes for myself that get compliments, then what the hell is wrong with these so-called designers?

The skillset required for making clothing for ANYONE consists of two things: measure and fit. Do it over and over until it's right. It's not friggin' rocket science.

If your artistic vision is so limited that you cannot envision stules that look decent on any body type, then you probably are in the wrong field.
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