@unclevanya: Thank you. The woman is not retiring. Instead of being on one hour a day and distributing one magazine a month, she will now have an entire 24-hour cable channel on which to proselytize.
I totally bit Oprah's style and whenever I run into friends or they call me on the phone, I'll be like, "OH MY GOD, IT'S JAAAAAAAANEE DOOOOOOOOOOEEEE! AND JOOOOOHNNN SMIIIIIIIITH!!"
Awesome compilation!
Though, wifers and I were watching the Palin episode last night and I noted how her intro was not anything like above.. it was the most anticlimactic intro she's ever done save for the James Frey schooling...
Oh man, my super secret daydream of one day doing something really remarkable and getting invited on Oprah and introduced in that long, drawn-out-vowels way while a bunch of well-dressed middle class Americans smile and clap is fading away. This hurts.
@yvanehtnioj: I personally daydream of Oprah interrupting me during my story of how I lost my prosthetic limb in a fire that erupted at the orphanage I grew up in to tell the audience about that one time her dog Gracie started a fire and how darned adorable it was.
You know, as much as I dislike admitting it, Prejean kind of has a point in regards to Obama: irrespective of what we may think he may privately believe, he hasn't actually publicly supported gay marriage. And not doing so for political gain is a veeery cynical move, and say what you will about Prejean, but I personally don't think that she has the capacity for such cynicism.
This is not to 'endorse' her or 'attack' Obama or whatever (and I actually can't even believe I have to state this as a disclaimer), but a runner-up beauty queen doesn't really have the same power or influence as the POTUS, and that's a very crucial point to make.
(I kind of totes believe her on the Trump thing, tho. That man is a creeper, through and through!) #carrieprejean
@Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: Yes, Prejean's statement is hardly shocking, but I guess there are a lot of people who want to believe Obama can do no wrong.
But of course what Prejean wants is to claim that because she has the same bigotry as Obama she must also have some of his good qualities.
Not so much. #carrieprejean
@Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: Prejean does not get to call Obama a bigot. Period. I understand the point that she's clumsily trying to make, that Obama doesn't support gay marriage, either, but to compare herself to him is wrong.
Prejean is a white woman, with all the entitlements and privileges that skin color brings you in this country. Obama is a black man, and thus has faced institutional racism his whole life. Obama is not a bigot for the same reason reverse racism doesn't exist: To practice true bigotry or racism, you have to have the power of the institution behind you.
Carrie, YOU ARE A BIGOT. Now what are you going to do about it? I suggest stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com as a launching pad to your shiny new life as a former beauty queen who tours the country explaining your own white privilege and how you overcame it just enough to keep your nose, and your votes, out of gay people's love lives. #carrieprejean
@CoalMineCanary: "To practice true bigotry or racism, you have to have the power of the institution behind you."
While I agree with you in terms of race and privilege, both Prejean and Obama benefit from being straight and heteronormative, in a country, culture, and legal system that favours that. It is very easy to oppose gay marriage, or say that marriage is for 'a man and a woman only,' when you are never going to face the repercussions of this statement.
And given that this particular issue is about the rights of LGBT, I think it is important to not let this important distinction fall by the wayside. #carrieprejean
@Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: You are absolutely correct. Being heterosexual is a huge leg up for both of them. If Obama was gay, he would not be president, even if he was also white.
I didn't mean to overlook this critical distinction; I wanted to point out that Prejean cannot compare herself to someone with whom she has no shared experience, i.e. being black in America. The fallacy of her statement, "If that makes me a bigot, so is Barack Obama" is that it's overly simplistic, ignoring the American context of race and heteronormalcy.
I'm deeply disappointed that Obama hasn't taken more of a stand on gay rights, but ultimately I consider Prejean to be a bigot, not Obama, for the reasons stated here and in my earlier comment. #carrieprejean
I don't even understand marriage's place in the Constitution anyway, if there is to be no establishment of religion.
I am of the idea that the government shouldn't really get involved in marriage AT ALL...other than a marriage certificate being considered as legal proof for hospital visitation and the like. CIVIL UNIONS, from gay and straight couples, should be legally recognized. Marriage? That should be up to whatever church or organization marries you. If, say, civil unions were legal for anyone, but the Catholic church decided not to marry gays, fine. They can be a private institution. But the government has to marry anybody...which then gets into polygamy, which is insane and all, but I'm of the opinion that consenting adults can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm anybody else. *whew*
@Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: Not everywhere, no, not by a long shot. And in a lot of places where they are, they do not carry all the same benefits of marriage. But I think first man meant that no one should get "legally married." We should all, gay and straight, get "legally civil unioned" and then "religiously married", if we so choose. I am a straight, married, Christian woman and I absolutely agree. I think it would be much clearer if the government got out of the marriage business altogether. #carrieprejean
I want to hurt everyone who somehow thinks "marriage" is only a sacrament. Sorry, assholes, if you don't want gays getting married in your Church, great. Why the fuck don't they come out against heteros married by judges or other non-religious officials?
Am I missing something? Why exactly can they still claim "marriage" as something that belongs to them, exclusively?
@Ulookinatmyjunk, JOC: Seconded. She's as boring and stupid as every other cretin who makes themselves famous by being pretty (or plastic...Speidi?) on the outside, REALLY stupid on the inside, but all I can think when I see her (or Sarah Palin) is, "Fuck off, little girl. Go away, go away, go away." #carrieprejean
"I believed then and I believe now that marriage should be a legally recognized sacrament between a man and a woman. If that makes me a bigot, so is Barack Obama."
whoa whoa whoa, miss prejean back the truck up. legally recognized sacrament? sacrament = church, legal = state. never the twain shall meet. theres that pesky little thing called the first amendment of the us constitution.
although i agree with the second part of her statement (i cant believe i just wrote that). obama has a virtually identical position on gay marriage. just because he doesn't sound the moral panic alarm or scream at the hysterical pitch of miss prejean, he has no intention of repealing doma in the near future and has defended marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution. its not so simple as a red state/blue state division. there are plenty of anti-gay rights democrats. #carrieprejean
@mordicai: Also, marriage is only a sacrament for Catholics and Orthodox Christians. Perhaps Prejean is Catholic, but she has been speaking at mainly fundamentalist Christian churches. It would be really disappointing if, in addition to being being bigoted, she was basing her beliefs on mistaken interpretation of Church doctrine. #carrieprejean
@KATE!: Thanks for saying this. She might be much stupider than Obama, but they do have pretty much the same stance on gay marriage and of the two of them, he's the one who actually has the power to make some changes. So, you know, all the outrage at her saying they have the same position is kind of ridick. #carrieprejean
Carrie Prejean is just like Barack Obama, except Barack Obama doesn't have fake tits or a masturbation tape. And he doesn't refuse to show up for work and get fired for sucking. #carrieprejean
@morninggloria: That you know of....I doubt he does, but as my physic teacher in HS was fond of saying "the absence of proof is not proof of absence". #carrieprejean
@whats_in_a_name: See Glenn Beck and how he raped and murdered that poor girl back in 1990. Why won't he show the evidence that proves his innocence?! #carrieprejean
@mfnher: You're using the fictional raping of a young girl as political fun? That's fucked up. Rape isn't generic violence like drunk driving or murder. It's gender violence, overwhelmingly misogynistic.
There are a slew of ways to go after Glen Beck without pushing the tired idea that it's fine to push misogynistic violence as entertainment or to score cheap points. It just trivializes it. #carrieprejean
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Though, wifers and I were watching the Palin episode last night and I noted how her intro was not anything like above.. it was the most anticlimactic intro she's ever done save for the James Frey schooling...
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This is not to 'endorse' her or 'attack' Obama or whatever (and I actually can't even believe I have to state this as a disclaimer), but a runner-up beauty queen doesn't really have the same power or influence as the POTUS, and that's a very crucial point to make.
(I kind of totes believe her on the Trump thing, tho. That man is a creeper, through and through!) #carrieprejean
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But of course what Prejean wants is to claim that because she has the same bigotry as Obama she must also have some of his good qualities.
Not so much. #carrieprejean
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Prejean is a white woman, with all the entitlements and privileges that skin color brings you in this country. Obama is a black man, and thus has faced institutional racism his whole life. Obama is not a bigot for the same reason reverse racism doesn't exist: To practice true bigotry or racism, you have to have the power of the institution behind you.
Carrie, YOU ARE A BIGOT. Now what are you going to do about it? I suggest stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com as a launching pad to your shiny new life as a former beauty queen who tours the country explaining your own white privilege and how you overcame it just enough to keep your nose, and your votes, out of gay people's love lives. #carrieprejean
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While I agree with you in terms of race and privilege, both Prejean and Obama benefit from being straight and heteronormative, in a country, culture, and legal system that favours that. It is very easy to oppose gay marriage, or say that marriage is for 'a man and a woman only,' when you are never going to face the repercussions of this statement.
And given that this particular issue is about the rights of LGBT, I think it is important to not let this important distinction fall by the wayside. #carrieprejean
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I didn't mean to overlook this critical distinction; I wanted to point out that Prejean cannot compare herself to someone with whom she has no shared experience, i.e. being black in America. The fallacy of her statement, "If that makes me a bigot, so is Barack Obama" is that it's overly simplistic, ignoring the American context of race and heteronormalcy.
I'm deeply disappointed that Obama hasn't taken more of a stand on gay rights, but ultimately I consider Prejean to be a bigot, not Obama, for the reasons stated here and in my earlier comment. #carrieprejean
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see, when you put it this way it just sounds plain ol' unconstitutional. #carrieprejean
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I am of the idea that the government shouldn't really get involved in marriage AT ALL...other than a marriage certificate being considered as legal proof for hospital visitation and the like. CIVIL UNIONS, from gay and straight couples, should be legally recognized. Marriage? That should be up to whatever church or organization marries you. If, say, civil unions were legal for anyone, but the Catholic church decided not to marry gays, fine. They can be a private institution. But the government has to marry anybody...which then gets into polygamy, which is insane and all, but I'm of the opinion that consenting adults can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm anybody else. *whew*
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Am I missing something? Why exactly can they still claim "marriage" as something that belongs to them, exclusively?
@Ulookinatmyjunk, JOC: Seconded. She's as boring and stupid as every other cretin who makes themselves famous by being pretty (or plastic...Speidi?) on the outside, REALLY stupid on the inside, but all I can think when I see her (or Sarah Palin) is, "Fuck off, little girl. Go away, go away, go away." #carrieprejean
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Of course, I kid. It would have been so easy for me to not read it. It was just too tempting! #carrieprejean
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whoa whoa whoa, miss prejean back the truck up. legally recognized sacrament? sacrament = church, legal = state. never the twain shall meet. theres that pesky little thing called the first amendment of the us constitution.
although i agree with the second part of her statement (i cant believe i just wrote that). obama has a virtually identical position on gay marriage. just because he doesn't sound the moral panic alarm or scream at the hysterical pitch of miss prejean, he has no intention of repealing doma in the near future and has defended marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution. its not so simple as a red state/blue state division. there are plenty of anti-gay rights democrats. #carrieprejean
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There are a slew of ways to go after Glen Beck without pushing the tired idea that it's fine to push misogynistic violence as entertainment or to score cheap points. It just trivializes it. #carrieprejean
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