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rodmanstreet
11/17/09

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Geez, why didn't he just glue on a mustache and try to deliver a pizza? Works at Gerard Butler's house! #paparazzi
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pantsless economist...access RESTORED
11/17/09

@rodmanstreet: ...really?
*looks for mustachioed disguise* #paparazzi
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FashionIntel
11/17/09

@rodmanstreet: Oh shit, that made me laugh so hard I shot water outta my mouth! #paparazzi
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curiousgeorgiana
11/17/09

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You've successfully completed behavior that would normally get you slapped with a restraining order. You're proud of yourself. Now I'm supposed to clap for you?

It's like when the kid I used to babysit came to tell me that she stuffed 7 whole rolls of toilet paper down the toilet. While impressive, I ain't clapping kid. #paparazzi
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Eleanor Ramilly
11/17/09

@curiousgeorgiana: That's what confuses me about cases like this. How was what he did not illegal? #paparazzi
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sarah0220 (please don't take my star)
11/17/09

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Just read a conspiracy theory of how Jackie O killed JFK. The evidence was mind blowing and I ended up reading conspiracy theories all night long. #paparazzi
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Eleanor Ramilly
11/17/09

@sarah0220 (please don't take my star): Wait. There was so much evidence to support the theory your mind was blown, or the "evidence" is so stupid you can't believe it's even suggested?
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krismry
11/17/09

@sarah0220 (please don't take my star): Hope you post the title, because Jacqueline conspiracy theories are one of my favorite ways to deal with insomnia. Then there's "Nemesis: the true story of Onassis, Jackie and the love triangle that brought down the Kennedys," by Peter Evans, another swell midnight read. More on point, her relationships with photographers and her views on image making as an expressive art form are more complex than space here allows, but briefly, 'controlling' comes first to mind before 'phobic.'
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sarah0220 (please don't take my star)
11/17/09

@krismry: @Eleanor Ramilly: @Sgt.Hatred: The evidence was mind blowing because it seemed so fact based but at the same time extremely hard to believe. It's kind of hard to explain. I will post the link as soon as I find it again.

Also, I don't think it was a waste of time. It definitely killed some time and was interesting to read, despite the ludicrous theories. #paparazzi
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delirium.megans
11/17/09

@sarah0220 (please don't take my star): so.. where does one go to read conspiracy theories? are they all compiled on one site somewhere? because sometimes i get bored... #paparazzi
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Eleanor Ramilly
11/17/09

@sarah0220 (please don't take my star): Hey, I definitely spent a lot of time reading evidence suggesting that Paul is, in fact, dead. Do I actually think died years ago? No. I've found that there is almost an overwhelming amount of evidence to support most famous conspiracy theories.
They make for an interesting read, but they can't all be true... otherwise Kennedy was killed at least three times by my count.
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Apollonia
11/17/09

@sarah0220 (please don't take my star): Mind blowing... I see what you did there (either intentionally or not) #paparazzi
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sarah0220 (please don't take my star)
11/17/09

@delirium.megans: I actually read the JFK conspiracy on Wikipedia--you know how legit that is :) #paparazzi
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sarah0220 (please don't take my star)
11/17/09

@Apollonia: Did it unintentionally, but still satisfied with my accidental pun, even though it's a little morbid and not so nice. #paparazzi
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Zombie Ms. Skittles
11/17/09

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One of the main reasons I don't read gossip rags is because I don't like to encourage the paps to continue to stalk celebrities in the manner in which we have become accustomed to them doing it. #paparazzi
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JessickerFletcher
11/17/09

@Zombie Ms. Skittles: Same. I always want to ask, "How do the paparazzi live with themselves?" but I should really be asking, "How do tabloid readers/consumers live with themselves." The whole situation is pretty sick if you ask me.
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electriklights
04/09/09

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I can't wait for this!!!
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mariamariamaria
04/09/09

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"Is it true that Jack Kennedy gave you gonorrhea?" - I've found my Facebook status.
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The Queen of No
04/09/09

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I am so excited to watch this movie. I'll probably end up seeing it like three times. Yay for having HBO.
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siandt
04/09/09

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I have an early copy, too, but I haven't watched it. Now I feel I should.
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hollygirl
04/09/09

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I read in an interview with Lee Radziwill that jackie never visited grey gardens, so I'm kind of predisposed not to belive stuff in this movie. I don't need to watch what someone imagined would make an intersting "round-out" to the original
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BlondeGoddess
04/09/09

@hollygirl: I prob read the same interview (in Vogue), and understood that Jackie never visited GG with Ari Onassis - which doesn't mean she didn't go by herself or with her sister.
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hollygirl
04/10/09

@BlondeGoddess: Ah! thanks for the clarification. I'm still not sure I need more than the original.
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hollygirl
04/09/09

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Does anyone know where the writers got the info that is missing from the documentary- ie who filled in the gaps? I was always so curious about little edie's brothers...
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BlondeGoddess
04/09/09

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In the 3rd clip, Jessica Lange looks so much like Big Edie it's scary!
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Baroness
04/09/09

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Watching Grey Gardens, I slowly came to the idea that Little Edie might have suffered from a crippling anxiety disorder. Which is especially difficult for someone wanting to be in show business. I still wonder if that's the tragedy of her life. Mentioning "anxiety" as reason for her hair loss adds to this impression.

She also seems throughout the film to be rationalizing this, blaming others, somewhat in denial. Which is quite sad, but compelling.

As for selling the house, it's important to remember, there was a time when a "house in the Hamptons" didn't mean they were sitting on a gold mine. In fact the phrase "the Hamptons" was never even used when I was growing up there. Its mass celebrity and stratospheric real-estate values are relatively recent.

GG was filmed through 1973, and it's clear by then that the women were permanently settled there, psychically. Their staunch refusal must have set in some time earlier, let's say a decade. East Hampton was still remote, the LIE did not have a mass extension until 1970, just the "Old" Montauk highway. It wasn't considered a year round place by "city' folk. I'm sure the Beales knew there was already a certain ignominy in living in their summer place all year, in the eyes of "society".

Selling their home would not be some astronomical payday, then. Compared to today, they'd make a little to live on, not much, and they'd be homeless too. They wouldn't get then what we think the place would be worth now.

(Sorry for going on!)
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hello.kitty
04/09/09

@Baroness: YOu added good info and points to this subject. You're spot on about the Hamptons not being the Hamptons of today.
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SarahHeartburn
04/09/09

@Baroness: Ditto from a New York native. Selling the house and going to a Manhattan apartment, for example wouldn't have helped. The point for me, is, that these were two women who were born and bred to be helpless outside of marriage. That they somewhat realized it, too late in life, is the tragedy, and warning, of the movie. And sneer if you want at Jackie O, but she took care of herself financially (through shrewd marriages)but also worked before and after her marriages. And made sure her kids were taken care of.
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Baroness
04/09/09

@SarahHeartburn: I'd never sneer at Jackie, far from it! But you're quite right. I think that's what's heartrending about the story in part. That Little Edie was encouraged to find a proper husband, she rebelled- but something seems to have impeded her, scarred her even. And she seemed to retreat from this vibrant boldness, and retreated to her safe place with her mother.

By then, perhaps by the rigid format of that society, it was "too late" for her- that upper class spectrum was merciless about who was marriageable, and Edie's rebellion might have been held against her quite palpably. She was probably not yet 30. A playwright couldn't make it up.

An imaginative girl rebels, wants to be an artist and a star instead of a wife, but is beset by her fears and anxieties, and brought low. She won't "show them all" after all, comes home to mother. and her class turns their back. They consider her crazy, outcast. No wonder they preferred the wilds of East Hampton. "Polite society" was a cruel joke to them.

Wow, hurry up HBO! Looking forward to this.
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ElleL
04/09/09

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I predict a Golden Globe for Drew! :)
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Cortina
04/09/09

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You know, I'm excited for this, but what I REALLY REALLY want out of life is a film version of Grey Gardens The Musical, with Christine Ebersole, who is second only to my beloved Patti Lupone in my heart.

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PhDork
04/09/09

@Cortina: She was brilliant. Mary Louise Wilson, too. I saw the pre-Bway version at Playwrights Horizons, but have since memorized the entire soundtrack.
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TwiceShy
04/09/09

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From this clip I can't tell if she really did learn how to not talk out the side of her mouth for this role.
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