This is not a fashion-based judgement, but in a war I think I'd rather be on Michelle Obama's side. She looks like a superhero in secret identity mode. I'm betting she'd survive the zombie apocalypse. I'm not so sure that Jackie would avoid becoming one of the ravening horde.
@lisas: I had to go to a neighborhood block watch meeting so I'm too late to talk about this on here, but for history's sake Jackie was totally an athlete, she was an expert horsewoman from about the first grade and kept riding all her life, she was into all sorts of sports, was a fine swimmer, uh, and what about leaping over the back of that horrible car, that was a fairly superhero effort I think.
Does anyone else wish the mainstream media would celebrate First Ladies for something other than fashion?
Abigal Adams in her letters to John Adams:
"I long to hear that you have declared an independency. And, by the way, in the new code of laws which I suppose it will be necessary for you to make, I desire you would remember the ladies and be more generous and favorable to them than your ancestors."
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
And Eleanor Roosevelt:
A woman is like a tea bag- you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water.
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"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
@NewsBunny: And Lady Bird Johnson, who helped shape the role of the modern First Lady, known for her lack of fashion sense:
"I had the idea that people were supposed to love me because I had an interesting mind, a kind heart, and a warm smile. I thought that Lyndon's emphasis on clothes and appearance was the wrong system of values. He used to say that a lot of the people that I met would only see me once, and that the opinion they would form would persist. He wanted them to have a good opinion of me. By the world's rules, he was right. I was wrong."
I just realized she sounds like a make-over victim at the end of a "What Not to Wear" episode, so I'll add...
I think it's a blast to have a first lady who wears clothes that I like and would also wear but I still think this comparison is stupid. Inevitable but stupid.
Given the hullabaloo the conservatives have been making about the Obamas going to New York on a date, I think what's truly interesting about the Michelle v. Jackie style "war" is less the styles themselves and more the differing price tags.
In the 60's, no one would have thought to raise an eyebrow about the First Lady's spending habits. The Kennedy's lived extravagantly and no one questioned it.
As much as it seems like those in the fashion world have been a tad disappointed that Michelle prefers her clothing off the rack, can you imagine what Rush Limbaugh and Rick Santorum would be saying if she did wear designer clothes?
I doubt that Michelle Obama could get away with having Jackie Kennedy's expensive taste.
@Birthday Girl: During the 1960 presidential campaign there was a little scuffle in the press about how much Jacks spent on clothes, rumored to be in the neighborhood of $35,000 a year. She responded with one of her wry little quips that she couldn't spend that much money on clothes unless she wore sable underwear. Naturally it came out much later that she spent way more than that, with the bad influence of her sister Lee Radziwill, the genuine style icon of the family. President Kennedy complained constantly about spending in the White House, which prompted any number of witty memos you can read about in lots of memoirs of people who were there taking sneak peeks over shoulders. JBK's clothing choices were fairly technical, culturally, and you can read all about them in the Met's big coffee table book of their exhibit of her costumes, with some pretty good insights by Andre Leon Talley. By the way where is Andre where we need him? He's the real expert. xoxo
I enjoy how often I've seen Michelle wear some of the same clothes - presumably her favorites. There's a particular yellow floral sweater that seems to show up a lot, and I wish I had one. I suspect it's probably J. Crew or some other brand I could actually purchase, as well.
I don't understand why there has to be a winner here- like, can't we just appreciate that they are both well-dressed beautiful women? Is there only room for one fashionable FL in ALL OF HISTORY?
Jackie Kennedy did not have a problem being defined as a First Lady of Style.
Sadie, this is not entirely true. I had to do research for a Jackie Kennedy project for my job (we deal in rare books and manuscripts). I worked with a typescript that she edited by hand, and in the marginal comments - in a section explaining her role as a "style icon," she edited a sentence to read: "If there was one sphere where Jacqueline had great influence, it was fashion, much to her annoyance." (She added the latter clause by hand.)
The public labeled her a style icon against her will the same way they're doing that to Michelle Obama. Jackie really wanted to be known for the restorations she made to the White House, and the improvements she made to the White House library.
Let's just accept that BOTH women happen to be stylish, as well as politically active.
@Mary McCarthyite: I should add that the typescript was noy by her. It was by Carl Anthony, who wrote a collective biography of all of the First Ladies, titled (you guessed it), First Ladies . The acquired the typescript and voluntarily edited the section on her (this in the late 80s, when she was working professionally as an editor at Viking).
@Mary McCarthyite: But didn't she also, almost singlehandedly, created and defined her own style for public consumption? I remember reading in biographies that when she was still in the hospital after giving birth to her son (right after the elections) when she contacted Oleg Cassini for that purpose, and basically told him exactly what she had in mind, because she wanted to be in charge of the way the public perceived her. I mean, I think you're right that she made much more emphasis on her efforts to restore the White House, and that she was at best ambivalent about her status as a style icon, but she always seemed so aware of that, and so incredibly savvy about it.
@Mary McCarthyite: Jackie was so much more than a style icon. There was a great article in VF a while ago about how she pretty much single-handedly convinced French officials to display the Mona Lisa in the US for a time, which was a huge deal.
@Casquivana: I think she controlled the way the public perceived her, definitely; but I don't think she flaunted her style for public consumption. I think her (relative) reticence about her style is what made the public crazy about it and her.
@Casquivana: That doesn't necessarily mean she wasn't annoyed by it. If you can't beat them, join them. And then apparently beat them at their own game.
@dreamweave: Oh I know. Remember when Jackie thought that Michelle ate all of her granola bars so she poured all of Michelle's energy drinks down the sink? That shit was cray cray!
Setting the green room aside because it's not part of the living quarters, what really makes me lean toward Jackie's WH is all the books. You see them stacked up on tables and (in the photo above) on the floor. You see exactly one book in each room from Nancy. (Lots of flowers too. Wonder how much all those fresh flowers cost over 8 years).
I love the Reagan room. While I see no fault with Jackie elsewhere in her style choices, that room is so bland, it looks like my mother(who hates color) decorated it. I expect more from someone in a pillbox hat. I want COLOR! The window in the Nancy room being obstructed is a crime, however.
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Abigal Adams in her letters to John Adams:
"I long to hear that you have declared an independency. And, by the way, in the new code of laws which I suppose it will be necessary for you to make, I desire you would remember the ladies and be more generous and favorable to them than your ancestors."
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.
And Eleanor Roosevelt:
A woman is like a tea bag- you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water.
and
"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
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"I had the idea that people were supposed to love me because I had an interesting mind, a kind heart, and a warm smile. I thought that Lyndon's emphasis on clothes and appearance was the wrong system of values. He used to say that a lot of the people that I met would only see me once, and that the opinion they would form would persist. He wanted them to have a good opinion of me. By the world's rules, he was right. I was wrong."
I just realized she sounds like a make-over victim at the end of a "What Not to Wear" episode, so I'll add...
"The clash of ideas is the sound of freedom."
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Given the hullabaloo the conservatives have been making about the Obamas going to New York on a date, I think what's truly interesting about the Michelle v. Jackie style "war" is less the styles themselves and more the differing price tags.
In the 60's, no one would have thought to raise an eyebrow about the First Lady's spending habits. The Kennedy's lived extravagantly and no one questioned it.
As much as it seems like those in the fashion world have been a tad disappointed that Michelle prefers her clothing off the rack, can you imagine what Rush Limbaugh and Rick Santorum would be saying if she did wear designer clothes?
I doubt that Michelle Obama could get away with having Jackie Kennedy's expensive taste.
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Sadie, this is not entirely true. I had to do research for a Jackie Kennedy project for my job (we deal in rare books and manuscripts). I worked with a typescript that she edited by hand, and in the marginal comments - in a section explaining her role as a "style icon," she edited a sentence to read: "If there was one sphere where Jacqueline had great influence, it was fashion, much to her annoyance." (She added the latter clause by hand.)
The public labeled her a style icon against her will the same way they're doing that to Michelle Obama. Jackie really wanted to be known for the restorations she made to the White House, and the improvements she made to the White House library.
Let's just accept that BOTH women happen to be stylish, as well as politically active.
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