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Bunsy
08/22/09

In reply to The September Issue: A Portrait Of The Quaint Old Consumer Economy
I saw it the other night and found it a bit dull. The one really worthwhile scene is Andre Leon Talley playing tennis in his LV getup (terrific).

I thought the Valentino doc ("The Last Emperor") got more of the glamour, talent, beauty of the fashion world, and was far more engrossing.

In watching Vogue, I really felt it was an era that had ended...

Just my opinion.
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tallgirl-in-heels
08/21/09

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I'm not scared of fashion, nor do I put it down. What I put down is the absurdity of exalting the people who create, shill, and buy it in a manner that suggests that they are doing something important on the level of curing cancer. I believe fashion, at its best, has artistic value; it adds something worthwhile to our culture. But, folks, you are not curing devastating diseases or working towards peace and equality. I don't put down your fashion. I do, however, put down the over-inflated sense of self-importance that some people in the fashion world project.
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greengrey
08/21/09

@tallgirl-in-heels: Unfortunately, that attitude isn't only in the fashion industry. Most people aren't curing cancer, but I run into people from every walk of life in every industry with self-important attitudes. However, if a person IS really talented (as many fashion designers are, they're doing what I can't), I don't mind it.
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tallgirl-in-heels
08/21/09

@greengrey: Oh, I know. I work in the legal field, which has more than its fair share of over-inflated egos. I hate the attitude there as much as I do in fashion. It's one thing to own your talent and expect the appropriate level of recognition for your achievements. It's another thing entirely to act like an entitled, superior, asshole because you happen to be good at something considered exclusive (like fashion), or that is high paying (like big firm lawyering).
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Jenna
08/21/09

@tallgirl-in-heels: It's a fact of life that not everybody gets to cure cancer.

I do however believe that everyone deserves to, and should, take pride in his or her work.
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tallgirl-in-heels
08/21/09

@Jenna: I never said anything to the contrary. Rather, as I said in my reply to greengrey, everyone should own their talent and there's nothing wrong with expecting recognition for your achievements. Taking pride in your work, however, does not preclude one from having a sense of perspective. From reading your work, you seem to have a good sense of it. By contrast, the wealthy designer you wrote about who made you and your colleagues pose for hours on end without paying you or even adequately feeding you seems to be lacking a bit in the perspective department, and a little too well-endowed in the self-importance department. That the designer may be good at her job and deserves to take pride in her work doesn't excuse her behavior. But that's just my opinion.
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missinaction
08/21/09

In reply to The September Issue: A Portrait Of The Quaint Old Consumer Economy
"Tonne Goodman says after a styling critique where Wintour rejects nearly every look he has put together that he wants to kill himself "

Isn't Tonne Goodman female? Perhaps you have her confused with a different fashion editor?
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Jenna
08/21/09

@missinaction: Right you are. It was actually Edward Enninful who said that; serves me right for writing the review without a screener copy to refer to. Thanks for catching the mistake, which I've now fixed!
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missinaction
08/21/09

@Jenna: Well, thanks for fixing that! I've always liked Tonne's personal style. Not having seen the film, i wasn't really sure who you were referring to.
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funnyface
08/21/09

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I love beautiful things, I just can't afford them. Vogue might as well be a magazine about faeries. It's not that I don't understand, Anna, it's that you operate in a completely different universe.
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andBegorrah
08/21/09

@funnyface: Jenna's phrasing, "It's like watching a need being manufactured," sums it all up for me - the film, the magazine, and the psychosocial/economic dimension of the fashion industry.
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smithhimself
08/21/09

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Nice sum up except for the phrase "her intellectual heavyweight family." This is Chilly Charlie's daughter -- someone who dropped out of North London Collegiate when she was sixteen. Journalists in her b.g. Nothing intellectual.
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Pandorasvoicebox
08/21/09

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OK, I went to dictionary.com, but I still don't get it. Someone explain to me. I r dumb.
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greengrey
08/21/09

@Pandorasvoicebox: Prelapsarian? Yeah, I had to run a search on that too. It refers to "the fall (of man)". Vogue in 2007 was still successful, so this film was before the fall of Vogue.
Though someone smarter than me can correct me if I'm wrong.
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heykoukla
08/21/09

@Pandorasvoicebox: I think it means the film shows the good ol' days, before the recession.
And yes, I had to look up the definition, too.
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andBegorrah
08/21/09

@greengrey: The term was used in the September issue on page 432. You can go look it up there - I'll wait.
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funnyface
08/21/09

@andBegorrah: BUT SOMEBODY STOLE MY PAGE 432.
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jairip
08/21/09

@funnyface:

Nobody stole your page 432. You just didn't use a Post-It did you? jk

And yes, I had to look it up too.
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TheFormerJuneBronson
08/21/09

@Pandorasvoicebox: It was my MA classmate's favorite word. I looked it up after she called the third or fourth thing prelapsarian. After two years, I really, really wanted to tell her to get a new word.
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willwriteforfood
08/21/09

@andBegorrah: Ha! I just snorted at work.
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Jenna
08/21/09

@Pandorasvoicebox: Like @greengrey said, it's a neat little word that refers to the time before the fall of man. In the theological sense, it's the period back before that bitch Eve invented sin.
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