I've missed half of this Levi-Palin rumble, but is the only accusation being he made on that show that she referred to her baby as "retarded?" Is that really an accusation?
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but is retarded no longer the correct term for someone with mental retardation/Down Syndrome? I wouldn't be offended by a mother calling her baby retarded if he or she was....am I wrong or missing something? #homecominggangrape
@Katxyz: Retarded is no longer considered the term of choice. The negative connotation it picked up has pretty much removed it from diagnostic and professional lexicon. The full term "Mental Retardation" is a catch all term for several older terms, it was not just another descriptor of down syndrome.
Now people tend to use the general term developmentally delayed and then the more specific diagnosis like Autistic or Down's Syndrome.
Yes calling your child "retarded" would in most circles be considered insulting. If you called your child "retarded" in a room full of other parents of kids with developmental disabilities including but not limited to Down's you'd better be prepared to run, because they would tear you apart.
As someone who used to work with special needs kids I would be horrified to hear a parent say that about their child. I wouldn't be shocked though, often parents and siblings can be the cruelest to their family members with a developmental disabilitiy. #homecominggangrape
@Katxyz: "Retarded" is a word that most people with mental disabilities consider offensive. It is often not used to indicate a handicap, but used to insult people and generally put them down. "Handicap" is not loved, either, but it at least has the connotation that someone can DO things. "Retarded" is often used to mean "useless." It's the mental health version of the "N" word.
I'm no fan of Palin (can't stand her!), but Levi was out of line. #homecominggangrape
@roxythekiller: I don't think you understand. Levi didn't call the baby retarded. Levi said Sarah Palin would want to hold their baby and she would say "No, I don't want the retarded one, I want this one." "This one" being Levi and Bristol's baby. #homecominggangrape
@Triana Orpheus: Ahh, my bad.
I now feel sorry for that baby, if this is true. However, on a gut level, I suspect Levi fluffed up his story.
Yet, generally, if you aren't raising a disabled child, it's very difficult to judge the parents. Levi should lay off the judgemental media-pandering. If he's really that concerned about the "R" word, he should take it up privately with the family. #homecominggangrape
This hasn't really come up in comments yet--but it really bothers me that a guy is claiming he could not kill someone because he was 2 fat to get up the stairs. I am roughly this guy's weight, and I walk to and from work everyday and up two flights of stairs to get to my room.
I do not know what people imagine 285 pounds to be, but I don't think it is what you think it is. #homecominggangrape
@Haystacks: Yeah, I don't know how big this guy is, but most people who weight 285 can surely walk up one flight of stairs.
ETA: I don't mean that to sound disparaging at all. My top weight was not that much less than this, about 260. Were there other people who were in better shape than me? Sure, but I was by no means paralyzed.
"...those who would sell their body for money reflect a desperate need for attention..."
Ah, Palin. Is it wrong that I feel karma has a hand in this eternal bitchfight between La Palin and this guy who couldn't seem to care less about her retaliation? The only way she could upset him is to ban guns in Alaska or eradicate all hunting. He's pretty immune.
It's like the cosmos scoped around for a fitting adversary for her, and then went "hm, teenage dropout she pulled into the spotlight with nothing to lose? About right." #homecominggangrape
They were not normal people yesterday you morons. This is gang activity. These are people who are either gang affiliated or know not to snitch because they will face retribution for doing so. Why do members of this site continue to be so clueless about this situation? #homecominggangrape
@jinxremoved: I'd like to introduce you to the idea of a "quote." It's when one person takes something someone else said and repeats it verbatim with crediting to the source. #homecominggangrape
I read this story at 10AM. I have been sick all day from it, knowing full well there is nearly nothing I can do about this, for this specific victim.
I just cant believe we are discussing the idea of calling people who either stood by, watched, photographed or participated in a gang rape of this caliber. They are monsters, and while yes they might have been ordinary people yesterday, in my mind you lose that card when you are able stand and watch while a near critical sexual assault where a CHILD was penetrated in her mouth, her anus, and her vagina, repeatedly, by more than 5 people? If half of the participants stopped, yelled, ran to get help, they might have been beaten, ostracized, but they would not BE RAPISTS. This was obviously, to a degree a pre-meditated act. And therefore, I can agree that pack mentality took over for some of them, but for others we can blame society, or some other thing, but what it is was someone was so rapt with bringing torture, pain, disgrace, and a level of sexual assault onto one person. They chose to do this. And until any of them actually spend some time, or hell the rest of their lives in jail, there will be no societal change. #homecominggangrape
Is this BDNF gene the thing responsible for my husband accelerating even when the car in front of us is breaking for a red light? Because there's no logical reason for the way he drives. Foot on the gas! Slam on the breaks! Gas, break. Gas, break. #homecominggangrape
Everytime I think about what happened to that teenager, and that there were bystanders watching, then participating, my heart drops in temperature. It is beyond reasoning. Where was security on school grounds? And why do the comments made from school officials sound as though they expected something like this to happen? I'm sorry, but I cannot blame the officer for calling them monsters, he is obviously as in shock as I am.
Or to see comments that should not be sputtered at this time: "Dance was successful event and safe for the students that were there," said Marin Trujillo, the West Contra Costa Unified School District spokesman. "This dance itself was a successful event."
....fantastic! Good for you. You get brownie points Trujillo.
@lunaar001: I work in the east bay and I have to say that I am not surprised at all that this happened in Richmond. That said, I agree. It's so beyond reason that, as I said below, it's nearly impossible to think about. No one should have to go through something like that. Anywhere. Ever. It's sick. #homecominggangrape
@lunaar001: Local papers are reporting that the security at the dance was sent home at 9 pm, before the dance was over (and before the attack) because the school would have to pay them overtime after 9. #homecominggangrape
The Richmond story has continued to turn my stomach. When I was growing up, one of my best friends was given alcohol and raped by three boys, who left her on a sand dune, where she nearly died. She was 13. They were 15 and 17. They got house arrest, and she had to continue going to school with them.
I don't like to qualify crimes, but gang rape, for me, is among the most horrific of crimes possible. I can't even let myself think about the fact that it happens. So disturbing. #homecominggangrape
@curiousgeorgiana: I remember all of us going to see her when she got out of the hospital and she told us that she drank because she wanted the high school boys to think she was cool. As a kid, I think I tried to be empathic and supportive. As an adult, it breaks my heart. I don't remember how the 15 year old got house arrest, but he was at our junior high, I can remember him coming back to school. At the time I don't think I really understood the scope of what happened. I hadn't even kissed a boy. Neither had she. In a way I am glad she was unconscious when it happened. #homecominggangrape
@Penny: Oh man, Penny you're bumming me out. Poor thing. We're studying rape right now in crim law, and it's making me cry almost every night. The testimony is just heart-breaking. #homecominggangrape
@curiousgeorgiana: Well to help your spirits a bit, I know someone who went through something similar 19 years ago and has gotten through it.
I was 14 and at the park with my boyfriend, 4 of his friends, and my best friend. I drank and ended up being gang-raped in a shed nearby.
This was on an Air Force Base. You'd think I'd be safe, but not so much. I had to go to school with them on the following Monday and ended up having a complete breakdown in the girls' bathroom after being taunted for the first hour of school by these very same boys. I ended up moving over 1500 miles away.
They weren't punished at all. You see, I was drinking. Oh and the boyfriend? I had lost my virginity to him a week before, so obviously I would consent a week later to him and his friends. They were African-American and it was stated that I was a "nigger-lover" who got what I deserved by sleeping with a black man in the first place. (You would be stunned to hear the open racism in Air Force related offices. I now work in that field and am still shocked)
It took over 15 years to fully "get over it" but I felt I finally did when I was able to separate the rape from the losing my virginity. I had to. When people talked about their first time I really didn't want to and couldn't join the discussion. Losing virginity = the rape. Groups of black men = the rape. Touching a penis in a certain way = the rape. Stupid asses insinuating that women are whores = the rape.
Couldn't let it define me anymore. So it's possible. There is hope. #homecominggangrape
@beetlemier: I'm so sorry that that happened to you (and that you were treated in such a way during the trial).
I've been raped as well-- along with far too many people on this website. All examples that being a "victim" is not the end of the individual or meaningful existence. #homecominggangrape
Ok, Mr. Gagan, it's nice to know that you think they're all monster, but i'd much rather that you spent your time arresting the other five then just talking about them. #homecominggangrape
It's sad, but when I read about the woman who would have exchanged sex for World Series ticket I thought that was a pretty good idea for a moment. Go Phils! #homecominggangrape
I don't know if it's my PMS that has me perpetually on the brink today, but I literally could not keep it together when I read about the gang-rape. I'd heard about it already this week, but right now I'm a mess over this.
Thank god it's not being dismissed as "boys will be boys" behavior...but still. No amount of punishment will ever, ever, ever bring that girl's life back to her.
Also: everyone needs to read the Wednesday Feminist Fuck You on feministing.com....the school principal said something along the lines of "the homecoming dance went well overall." this, despite the horrendous gang-rape taking place behind the school.
@BuffySummers: Definitely. If we just keep thinking of these people as "monsters," instead of actual human beings who did something that isn't, in fact, a total rarity - well, then we'll just keep being reactionary. #homecominggangrape
@Lise Brown: So true. I'd be really interested to hear a lawyer's take on the culpability of each of the people that were there. I'm not sure what the actual laws are, but I seriously hope anyone who took pictures or stood by and did nothing will be held responsible for their actions.
And as you said--this kind of thing isn't rare at all. This is a particularly disturbing case because the victim was so young, and the crowd was so (allegedly) large, but this kind of thing happened at least once at a frat house while I was in college. I also have a high school friend who had something similar happen to her while she was passed out at a party (complete with assault and photos). Obviously these are single data points, but it seems much more like a pretty horrific trend than one isolated incident where a bunch of "monsters" happened to be in the same place at the same time. #homecominggangrape
@BuffySummers: Exactly. If one single person (ie you) can come up with multiple incidents off of the top of your head, then this CLEARLY is not about a bunch of subhuman, freakishly rape-minded people. It's terrifyingly enough not an isolated incident, even though it might be treated as such. #homecominggangrape
@Lise Brown: As humans we are capable of doing anything. I could murder someone tonight, intentionally or by accident. I could drive drunk or I could just throw a brick at someone's head. One would be murder and one could be manslaughter, but I cant help but think this is something bigger where at least 10 boys/men decided it was appropriate to continue to sexually assault a crying, bleeding and tortured young girl. That doesn't just happen. Yes, humans can do whatever they want, but luckily most of us are gifted with empathy, as well as reason. For those people to participate in an act this vile, brings them to a new level. #homecominggangrape
@ArtfulSlinger: I totally agree. I of course think these people are monsters. Undoubtedly. I feel sick to my stomach just thinking about it. But, I do think that if law enforcement or others act like this is a freakish, isolated incident - I think that will be detrimental to society because it doesn't force us to acknowledge that this has happened before and will happen again. #homecominggangrape
@BuffySummers: California attorney here. I don't do criminal law but I have been thinking about this and did a little research. If you cheer someone on, hold the victim down, etc., you're clearly an accessory. But my understanding is that under California law, if you stand there and do nothing one way or the other, it is not a crime unless the victim is under 14 and you fail to intervene. BUT I think that a good DA could argue that the act of snapping a photo with a cellphone and nothing more is still egging on the crime. So I think that assuming they can find these guys who stood around and watched (and filmed the attack), they could get a conviction. I sure hope so. #homecominggangrape
@SanFranLefty: Thank you! It's great to hear your opinion. I think one of the reasons this case is so painful to think about is, you like to think that if you were in a situation like this, you would just hope for someone to walk by and be able to stop it. In this girl's case, dozens of people "walked by" and still, no one helped. It's so disheartening, and really makes you reconsider your ideas about human nature. Let's just hope no one makes the unbelievably insensitive mistake of publishing any of those photos online. Although at least then they could definitely be charged with something! #homecominggangrape
@sybann: My mom is not overly healthy (especially now, as she's had H1N1 for the last week and is still really, really sick), and at least once a day I'm gripped with fear that I'll lose her to some illness. Being "brought to my knees" is almost an understatement for if anything were to happen to her. We talk at everyday, too.
Seeing as how I chided her this morning for not requesting Tamiflu, I should email this to her to take care of herself too. #homecominggangrape
@sybann: My grandma died a week and a half ago, and I'm still crying when I see old white-haired women, or angels on display at a store (she collected angels), or when I tried to watch a Christmas movie today and realized Christmas will never be the same. I anticipate it will be awhile before little things stop making me cry. I can't imagine if it were my mom instead of my grandma. #homecominggangrape
Five arrests? Paltry. 30 will keep us from whipping out the ass-whuppin mobile of country justice. Only that - and a couple of public executions. #homecominggangrape
the judge sentenced him on a charge of third-degree "attempted killing of an unborn child" under Utah's anti-abortion statute, which means he could serve up to 20 years in prison.
@yvanehtnioj: Yeah, my guess is that this would have never happened if the woman was able to get a safe, legal abortion in the first place. #homecominggangrape
@yvanehtnioj: It's up to five years for the 'abortion crime'. He would have got up to 21 for 2nd degree murder. However, he has also either plead or been convicted (article doesn't say which) in several unrelated cases, and has been ordered to serve all the sentences consecutively, for up to 20 years.
It's still crazy that this is a law, or at least that this law is written this way. For pretty obvious reasons, it should be illegal to preform an abortion without a medical license, just as it's illegal to remove an appendix. But what is the maximum sentence for preforming an illegal appendectomy? Less than five years? #homecominggangrape
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but is retarded no longer the correct term for someone with mental retardation/Down Syndrome? I wouldn't be offended by a mother calling her baby retarded if he or she was....am I wrong or missing something? #homecominggangrape
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Now people tend to use the general term developmentally delayed and then the more specific diagnosis like Autistic or Down's Syndrome.
Yes calling your child "retarded" would in most circles be considered insulting. If you called your child "retarded" in a room full of other parents of kids with developmental disabilities including but not limited to Down's you'd better be prepared to run, because they would tear you apart.
As someone who used to work with special needs kids I would be horrified to hear a parent say that about their child. I wouldn't be shocked though, often parents and siblings can be the cruelest to their family members with a developmental disabilitiy. #homecominggangrape
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I'm no fan of Palin (can't stand her!), but Levi was out of line. #homecominggangrape
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I now feel sorry for that baby, if this is true. However, on a gut level, I suspect Levi fluffed up his story.
Yet, generally, if you aren't raising a disabled child, it's very difficult to judge the parents. Levi should lay off the judgemental media-pandering. If he's really that concerned about the "R" word, he should take it up privately with the family. #homecominggangrape
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I do not know what people imagine 285 pounds to be, but I don't think it is what you think it is. #homecominggangrape
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ETA: I don't mean that to sound disparaging at all. My top weight was not that much less than this, about 260. Were there other people who were in better shape than me? Sure, but I was by no means paralyzed.
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Ah, Palin. Is it wrong that I feel karma has a hand in this eternal bitchfight between La Palin and this guy who couldn't seem to care less about her retaliation? The only way she could upset him is to ban guns in Alaska or eradicate all hunting. He's pretty immune.
It's like the cosmos scoped around for a fitting adversary for her, and then went "hm, teenage dropout she pulled into the spotlight with nothing to lose? About right." #homecominggangrape
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I just cant believe we are discussing the idea of calling people who either stood by, watched, photographed or participated in a gang rape of this caliber. They are monsters, and while yes they might have been ordinary people yesterday, in my mind you lose that card when you are able stand and watch while a near critical sexual assault where a CHILD was penetrated in her mouth, her anus, and her vagina, repeatedly, by more than 5 people? If half of the participants stopped, yelled, ran to get help, they might have been beaten, ostracized, but they would not BE RAPISTS. This was obviously, to a degree a pre-meditated act. And therefore, I can agree that pack mentality took over for some of them, but for others we can blame society, or some other thing, but what it is was someone was so rapt with bringing torture, pain, disgrace, and a level of sexual assault onto one person. They chose to do this. And until any of them actually spend some time, or hell the rest of their lives in jail, there will be no societal change. #homecominggangrape
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Also, when someone is running a stop sign and you see them, don't go anyway just to "show them that they can't get away with it." #homecominggangrape
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Or to see comments that should not be sputtered at this time: "Dance was successful event and safe for the students that were there," said Marin Trujillo, the West Contra Costa Unified School District spokesman. "This dance itself was a successful event."
....fantastic! Good for you. You get brownie points Trujillo.
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I don't like to qualify crimes, but gang rape, for me, is among the most horrific of crimes possible. I can't even let myself think about the fact that it happens. So disturbing. #homecominggangrape
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I was 14 and at the park with my boyfriend, 4 of his friends, and my best friend. I drank and ended up being gang-raped in a shed nearby.
This was on an Air Force Base. You'd think I'd be safe, but not so much. I had to go to school with them on the following Monday and ended up having a complete breakdown in the girls' bathroom after being taunted for the first hour of school by these very same boys. I ended up moving over 1500 miles away.
They weren't punished at all. You see, I was drinking. Oh and the boyfriend? I had lost my virginity to him a week before, so obviously I would consent a week later to him and his friends. They were African-American and it was stated that I was a "nigger-lover" who got what I deserved by sleeping with a black man in the first place. (You would be stunned to hear the open racism in Air Force related offices. I now work in that field and am still shocked)
It took over 15 years to fully "get over it" but I felt I finally did when I was able to separate the rape from the losing my virginity. I had to. When people talked about their first time I really didn't want to and couldn't join the discussion. Losing virginity = the rape. Groups of black men = the rape. Touching a penis in a certain way = the rape. Stupid asses insinuating that women are whores = the rape.
Couldn't let it define me anymore. So it's possible. There is hope. #homecominggangrape
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I've been raped as well-- along with far too many people on this website. All examples that being a "victim" is not the end of the individual or meaningful existence. #homecominggangrape
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"being a "victim" is not the end of the individual or meaningful existence."
That is beautiful. I really hope this girl has someone in her life as strong as you to teach her that. #homecominggangrape
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Thank god it's not being dismissed as "boys will be boys" behavior...but still. No amount of punishment will ever, ever, ever bring that girl's life back to her.
Also: everyone needs to read the Wednesday Feminist Fuck You on feministing.com....the school principal said something along the lines of "the homecoming dance went well overall." this, despite the horrendous gang-rape taking place behind the school.
I feel sick. #homecominggangrape
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"These suspects are monsters. And, I don't understand how this many people capable of such atrocious behavior could be in one place at one time."
The scariest part is, it's not a coincidence. Group mentality is a terrifying thing. #homecominggangrape
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And as you said--this kind of thing isn't rare at all. This is a particularly disturbing case because the victim was so young, and the crowd was so (allegedly) large, but this kind of thing happened at least once at a frat house while I was in college. I also have a high school friend who had something similar happen to her while she was passed out at a party (complete with assault and photos). Obviously these are single data points, but it seems much more like a pretty horrific trend than one isolated incident where a bunch of "monsters" happened to be in the same place at the same time. #homecominggangrape
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Seeing as how I chided her this morning for not requesting Tamiflu, I should email this to her to take care of herself too. #homecominggangrape
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The story of the Utah girl just makes me sad all over. #homecominggangrape
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I do sort of want to watch Desp. Seeking Susan now, though. #homecominggangrape
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!!!!!!!!! #homecominggangrape
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It's still crazy that this is a law, or at least that this law is written this way. For pretty obvious reasons, it should be illegal to preform an abortion without a medical license, just as it's illegal to remove an appendix. But what is the maximum sentence for preforming an illegal appendectomy? Less than five years? #homecominggangrape