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sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell
11/03/09

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Cultural relativism, give me strength. #somalia
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aureliajones
11/03/09

@sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell: You're not serious, are you? #somalia
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sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell
11/03/09

@aureliajones: /sarcasm. #somalia
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aureliajones
11/03/09

@sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell: hahahahaha. I was so scared that it was genuine. You rule. I'm dumb. And again, you rule. #somalia
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MerryLilly
11/03/09

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Playing soccer is banned? What does it have to do with anything?

I don't agree with the other restrictions either, but I can somewhat see where they are coming from.
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yvanehtnioj
11/03/09

@MerryLilly: Enlighten me, then. #somalia
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MerryLilly
11/03/09

@yvanehtnioj: Obviously I don't agree with the restrictions at all. But I can imagine that dancing and movies are banned due to "moral" issues, etc. However what "harm" could they see in playing soccer? The whole thing is becoming kinda pointless. #somalia
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sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell
11/03/09

@MerryLilly: Typically women are allowed to play soccer if they are part of women only teams with female spectators. Apparently it is inappropriate for men to watch them in compromising positions, probably due to their athletic clothing etc. It seems these laws have just gotten more restrictive. #somalia
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MerryLilly
11/03/09

@sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell: Thanks for the reply! Wow, that's sad. Couldn't they just prevent men from watching these games? I mean, this was one of the few fun and empowering things these women could do :( #somalia
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JerseyGrrrl
11/03/09

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"We have taken this step after we recognized that women need to stay in their homes and take care of their children," Maalim Daaud Mohmed, the chairman of Balad Hawa, told reporters.

Revolutionary thinking, huh? I guess it sounds better than that the wimmins wer gettin' too equal. #somalia
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CherriSpryte
11/03/09

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Anyone know the names of the three organizations? #somalia
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snobographer
11/03/09

@CherriSpryte:
[www.reuters.com]
"The organisations closed by al Shabaab are the Halgan Businesswomen's Organisation, the Sed Huro Human Rights Organisation and Farhan Woman for Peace, he said."

There's also a story from Oct in which Somali insurgents* have been publicly whipping women for wearing bras. Depressingly, but not surprisingly, a couple outlets made that story into a joke and then never mentioned it again.

*How are these dickheads "insurgents" if they have the authority to impose laws and close down organizations? They're sounding a lot like the Taliban in the 1990s.

I want to do something, but I don't know what would help. Anybody have any ideas? #somalia
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CherriSpryte
11/03/09

@snobographer: They're insurgents because hypothetically, the Transitional Federal Government is governing Somalia. When in fact, they're doing jack shit - they have no control or power. In the absence of an actual government, "insurgents" or "rebels" or "who's claiming this land as their own this week" have been imposing laws - such as no bra-wearing. They can do this because nobody is bothering to tell them not to.
As far as what you can do, there's VERY little aid getting to Somalia these days. [www.foreignpolicy.com]
It looks like World Food Programme's still there, so donate to them if you can.
The organization I work for supports several independent media houses in Somalia, so if you happen to want information on that, (and your heart broken on a semi-annual basis), you can get direct information here: [www.nusoj.org]
But I don't think there's any way to donate directly to that group. #somalia
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CherriSpryte
11/03/09

@snobographer: Oh also, thank you greatly for finding out the organization names. #somalia
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snobographer
11/03/09

@CherriSpryte: Thanks for the info. I'll bookmark your org and make a donation to the WFP.
If there's anything there like RAWA, or an org that can get aid directly to the women there, somebody please let me know. #somalia
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snobographer
11/03/09

@CherriSpryte: The FMF website says the insurgents are planning to close down 5 more organizations, but they won't say the names of those orgs. #somalia
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CherriSpryte
11/03/09

@snobographer: Note about NUSOJ - I don't work there, I work for one of their funders.

In terms of women's groups, there's a well-respected organization called "Save Somali Women and Children" - www.sswcsom.org - that is doing amazing work, but I don't know about ways to donate to them. #somalia
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Trulymadlyme
11/03/09

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Uh, I guess these guys don't know who the Mad Mullah was and history. Islamic fundamentalism is basically a massive fail in Somali society because of its distinct culture. It just doesn't translate.

[en.wikipedia.org]

It's a fucked up place, mainly due to being run by various violent factions, but I actually seem to recall someone trying this recently and people being like, "uh, I can't watch soccer? Pass." Also, dancing, music, and poetry are part & parcel of this culture.

I'm more curious as to whether the "Islamic" fundamentalist factions are trying to assert their power because there is currently a massive power struggle over who exactly gets to hold that white British couple hostage.
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CherriSpryte
11/03/09

@Trulymadlyme: Except its not a total fail. The Union of Islamic Courts had control of most of the south of the country for awhile in 2006, and, while repressive, there was peace for the first time in 15 years. Until US-backed Ethiopia invaded, but that's a different story. Al-Shabab is an offshoot of the remnanats of UIC, and they're the ones imposing these laws. #somalia
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Trulymadlyme
11/03/09

@CherriSpryte: My understanding of the Union of Islamic Courts was that while they did have control over certain parts of the Southern portion of the country for a brief period, they lost it and other factions took over. Plus, I seemed to recall that there was a lot of flux among the various groups that had control over the various portions of the Southern Somalia over the past 20 years. They were all violent and horrible and corrupt but some just use the tag of "Islamic" to throw down an additional helping of horrible.

Then again, I could be wrong since my family was from the northern part of the country which was somewhat more quiet and they all seemed to have gotten this info third hand.
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sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell
11/03/09

@Trulymadlyme: Ever heard of Sharia law? Somalia has it. #somalia
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Trulymadlyme
11/03/09

@sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell: Parts of it may currently or have in the past had Sharia but Sharia in and of itself is not Wahabism and the manner in which it is implemented across the board varies dramatically.

Also, this point cannot be stated enough: Somalia is a clan oriented society in which governs the manner in which the vast majority of people conduct their dealings, and the various, changing groups that wield power are violent, driven by resources/greed, and lack even a passing relationship with Islam, Sharia or Wahabism (which truthfully is what this article is referring to). Could there be Wabaism oppressing people there? Of course. In terms of the myriad of fucked up things in that society, it's just another janked piece of the puzzle. #somalia
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sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell
11/03/09

@Trulymadlyme: I do not mean to suggest that Islamic fundamentalism is the only destructive factor in Somalia. However, I did want to point out that it is successful to an extent as it was only recently introduced in 2009 and the parliament now votes in accordance with its principles.

EDIT [edition.cnn.com]
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CherriSpryte
11/03/09

@sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell: Islamic fundamentalism was in Somalia way before 2009. And the parliament is ineffective at best, so it doesn't so much matter how they're voting. #somalia
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CherriSpryte
11/03/09

@Trulymadlyme: UIC lost control of the south, particularly Mogadishu, because the TFG invited Ethiopia in to kick them (the UIC) out. It wasn't internal fighting, or anything clan-related, in that particular moment. Agreed, since Barre was ousted, lots of different groups have controlled, or tried to control, the south. And no one's succeeded for long. But UIC was the most stable system they'd had in a little while, and the fact that they were attacked because of the "growing fundamentalist threat in the Horn of Africa" is fucked up. #somalia
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sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell
11/03/09

@CherriSpryte: I am aware that Islamic fundamentalism has existed prior to 2009 in Somalia. But the fact that the parliament disregarded more progressive law for tribal alternatives demonstrates its increasing significance in the region. #somalia
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Trulymadlyme
11/04/09

@sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell: Again: tribal law =/= Wahabism law. #somalia
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morninggloria
11/03/09

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Oh, Somalia. What a libertarian paradise! #somalia
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AlmostDream
11/03/09

@morninggloria: Ha, that's basically my response anytime someone claims to be a libertarian. "You know where you can be free from all this terrible 'government control of everything'? Somalia. Have fun!"

Being that the only people who ever say this to me are white males, that tends to shut them up pretty quickly. #somalia
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nyc-caribbean-ragazza
11/03/09

@morninggloria:

I love when people say they don't want ANY government. Usually these are middle-class to well-off Americans. I can understand less government, but no government?

I suggest someone drop their butts in a country where there is no working/central government and see how they like it. #somalia
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nothanks
11/03/09

@AlmostDream: I'm confused, how can somalia be libertarian if women are being forced to do things against their will? i dont know a lot about the politics of the country #somalia
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yvanehtnioj
11/03/09

@nothanks: Libertarian != Liberal

Libertarians claim they don't want any government interference at all. (What most of the jackasses that claim to be libertarian in the US mean is that they do want all of the benefits, like schools and roads and fire departments, but they don't want to pay taxes.) #somalia
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sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell
11/03/09

@yvanehtnioj: My boss is a libertarian. Yesterday he tried to make me read an argument made by Ron Paul about our economy, and how its collapse was not related to capitalism in any way. I tried to explain to him why this assertion was fictitious, as it disregarded the multiple mechanisms which allow our society to function, but to no avail. #somalia
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marciax3
11/03/09

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This effort will fail. Have y'all met Somali women? They don't play this shit. #somalia
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RubyPenelope
11/03/09

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Groups will do anything to gain power and terrorizing people and imposing insane regulations is a by product of their quest for power not religious purity or anything else. #somalia
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linnyt is a walking cliché
11/03/09

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That is just too disgusting. Where is the humanity in some people? #somalia
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PetiteGal
11/03/09

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The same thing could happen here if too many right-wing extremists get their way. #somalia
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HilliardTortoise
08/19/09

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If you guys say its barbaric then it must just be me. . I guess growing up as I did in a household where corporal punishment (not with canes but with belts, etc) has desensitized me to the whole physical violence as punishment. I know her caning will probably be worse than that, applied as it will be scientifically and by someone who knows what they are doing. I will say this, there is something cathartic to being punished physically...the guilt you feel about your actions get washed away with such a visceral form of punishment. Catholic flagellants were definitely on to something. Or they just got off on it, I guess.
I just wonder why she didn't appeal the ruling; does she feel like she deserves the punishment/education?

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formergr
08/19/09

@HilliardTortoise: I'm guessing maybe she was "advised" against appealing for fear of getting even a worse punishment. I'm pretty sure it's not because she feels she deserves the punishment.
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HilliardTortoise
08/19/09

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I read the article, and to be honest, it doesn't sound too bad and it really isn't a case of them being sexist. She kind of chose to take the caning when she could have appealed the ruling and most likely been let off with a fine.
5 lashes with a thinner cane than they use on men; maybe she figures she is tough enough to take it. I know it sounds barbaric, but it's not like they are using bullwhips. I bet there are some criminals here who would take the cane over spending time in prison.
On an aside, Malaysian law seems kind of fascinating. One court for Muslims and another court for non-muslims. The article said that in the non-muslims court, but statute, women, children, and men over the 50 can't be caned. So that's probably why women haven't been caned.
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Kirkat
08/19/09

@HilliardTortoise: Thinner canes cause more pain than thicker ones, they sting a whole lot more.
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colormeroutine
08/19/09

@Kirkat: The article actually says lighter, not thinner
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Kirkat
08/19/09

@colormeroutine: Fair enough, I was going on what Hilliard said.
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FlorenceDugdale
08/19/09

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Can't help but notice that with the exception of the one other female on the platform, all the "audience" members are men. Shit is effed.
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happiness is a warm gun
08/19/09

@FlorenceDugdale: Maybe the men in the audience are unemployed. Maybe the women were too busy doing something productive?
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formergr
08/19/09

@happiness is a warm gun: I know very little about Malaysia so am purely guessing, but I wonder if women are even allowed to attend these "events"?
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hypocriteoath
08/19/09

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Is the caner blindfolded? because that woman is NOT a pinata even if they want to treat her like one. I hate to judge other cultures that I don't fully know but... wow, this just seems a little extreme to me.
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daria-says-what
08/19/09

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Why invoke the caning law now, when in the past, a fine has been the status quo, according to the article? It seems less likely that this woman's offense was somehow worse than usual, and more likely that they are making an example out of a young woman who chose to model, drink, and go to nightclubs. So I guess by "educating women", they mean put in their place...
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Penny
08/19/09

@daria-says-what: Apparently we can't promote new commenters anymore, but.....I like what you're saying.
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