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    Image of i'm a bottle i'm a bottle
    12/02/09

    In reply to Iranian State TV Bans Makeup For Women
    I have it on very good authority that some of the young students studying at the religious institute in Qom travel to a certain shrine where they stab themselves as a show of faith. Being exceedingly wealthy, they have a doctor nearby who stitches them up and then they set themselves in a plane immediately to Europe to visit a better surgeon. Who knows if it's true -- it seems a little wild to me, especially the plane part. But it gives you an idea what Persian intellectuals truly believe about their leaders.
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    Image of Snizzy-Snazz Bullets Snizzy-Snazz Bullets
    12/02/09

    In reply to Iranian State TV Bans Makeup For Women
    This goes for men too, of course. I've read in an effort to rid the country of Western influence, any barber who gives a man a "Western-style" haircut will lose his license. Eyebrow plucking is also not allowed.
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    Image of sayah sayah
    12/02/09

    @Snizzy-Snazz Bullets: the land of the unibrow
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    i'm a bottle promoted this comment sayah was starred sayah was unstarred
    Image of i'm a bottle i'm a bottle
    12/02/09

    @sayah: During the seventeenth century (if my memory serves me) in Persia, the male elite would import Georgian women (Circassians) with unibrows, apparently it was quite the rage back then.

    The woman depicted in the link below is probably not Georgian, but you can clearly see the unibrow.

    [windchild.net]
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    Edited by i'm a bottle at 12/02/09 6:28 PM i'm a bottle was starred i'm a bottle was unstarred
    Image of sayah sayah
    12/02/09

    @i'm a bottle: Thanks for the info!
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    Image of sayah sayah
    12/02/09

    @i'm a bottle: oh, and thanks for that link! I can't read unibrow without my mind going to Dodgeball.
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    12/02/09

    @sayah: What a stern visage.
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    Image of Highsmith Highsmith
    12/02/09

    In reply to Iranian State TV Bans Makeup For Women
    why don't people stop the fuck telling women what to do?

    You MUST wear makeup. You are not allowed to wear makeup. You must wear heels. You can't wear heels. You must be chaste. Be flirtatious!

    It's exhausting.
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    Flackette Goes Retro promoted this comment Highsmith was starred Highsmith was unstarred
    Image of TheFormerJuneBronson TheFormerJuneBronson
    12/02/09

    @Highsmith: And SMILE!
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    Image of mirrorghost mirrorghost
    12/02/09

    @TheFormerJuneBronson:

    ugh. that's one of the most annoying things! my grandpa used to say it...annoyed the crap out of me! and when a random dude on the street does it pisses me off.
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    TheFormerJuneBronson promoted this comment mirrorghost was starred mirrorghost was unstarred
    Image of TheFormerJuneBronson TheFormerJuneBronson
    12/02/09

    @mirrorghost: Seriously. I loathe being told to smile. I like to wait until I have a reason. People like that are not giving me one.
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    Image of Zombie Ms. Skittles Zombie Ms. Skittles
    12/02/09

    In reply to Iranian State TV Bans Makeup For Women
    Oh for fuck's sake, even MEN look ridiculous without wearing makeup on TV.
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    Image of sayah sayah
    12/02/09

    In reply to Iranian State TV Bans Makeup For Women
    "state television will ban makeup for women, "abnormal" music and unruly children"

    Really?! It's almost 2010!!
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    femme-bot promoted this comment Edited by sayah at 12/02/09 5:24 PM sayah was starred sayah was unstarred
    Image of femme-bot femme-bot
    12/02/09

    @sayah: I support the banning of unruly children
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    Image of lavenderstain lavenderstain
    11/18/09

    In reply to Frontline: Neda's Killing Continues To Haunt Friends, Family, Country
    I never watched the video...but I was one of the first ppl who saw it, given that since June 12th, all I did was spend time on facebook and twitter trying to make sense of what was going on in my country.

    I remember seeing the video come up in my feed-- it (the link) was left as a comment by the doctor who attempted to treat her at the scene, on one of the news pieces.

    I clicked on it, saw her get shot and I stopped it. I emailed the guy and told him to send it to CNN and he said that he already did.

    My sister and my dad watched it though, on my computer. with the sound on. and all I know of that video, is the sound of the screams of her music teacher (who i thought was her dad at the time) first pleading with her to stay with him, and then cursing and weeping. his screams in farsi, and the look on my dad's face, are enough for me.

    I went to alot of rallies, one right after neda's murder, and as soon as her name was mentioned screams went up to the heavens and I saw men and women weeping, and crying and screaming.

    her death is the symbol of all the deaths that have been going on for the past 30 days... its the manifestation of all the murders the Islamic regime committed on me and my brothers and sisters... they tried to kill us...physically and emotionally...with some of us, they succeeded on the physical part...but our souls they never could kill.
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    Image of Questioning Everything Questioning Everything
    11/18/09

    @lavenderstain: Thank you for this.
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    Image of sybann sybann
    11/18/09

    In reply to Frontline: Neda's Killing Continues To Haunt Friends, Family, Country
    It occurred to me while watching this - and I no way mean to make light of the tragedy - that we never know how we will make a difference in the world.

    May Neda be responsible for the end of this, and perhaps other, dictatorial and dangerous regimes.
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    Image of CynicalPink CynicalPink
    11/18/09

    In reply to Frontline: Neda's Killing Continues To Haunt Friends, Family, Country
    Dear Teabaggers.

    Look at this clip and try to tell me we're living in tyranny.

    Bonus challenge: Do this while having this clip playing in the background on a goddamned loop until you understand that the majority not agreeing with everything you say is not oppression.
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    curiousgeorgiana promoted this comment CynicalPink was starred CynicalPink was unstarred
    Image of AtelierCeleste AtelierCeleste
    11/18/09

    In reply to Frontline: Neda's Killing Continues To Haunt Friends, Family, Country
    It was my understanding when this happened, in accordance to the news outlets, that Neda was not, in fact, a 'protester' but simply a passer-by who was shot simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    This story disputes that and I don't know if this changes the implications of her death as a whole. I do know that I feel differently now after reading this, but I don't know how to articulate the difference yet.....I'll have to mull it over.
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    sybann promoted this comment AtelierCeleste was starred AtelierCeleste was unstarred
    Image of sybann sybann
    11/18/09

    @AtelierCeleste: I think I find her even more admirable and brave because she articulated that she knew there was risk involved.
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    Image of AtelierCeleste AtelierCeleste
    11/18/09

    @sybann and Wednesdayam: Yes, but why the deception? I feel...uneasy....what is the truth?
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    Image of sybann sybann
    11/18/09

    @AtelierCeleste: Her truth? My truth? The basaji truth? The government truth?All colored by differing agendas. You have to come to yours on your own. That is reason to be uneasy - because we want our truths to be just that.

    #tips
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    Image of sybann sybann
    11/18/09

    @sybann: And I know that an unregulated government encouraged militia shot an unarmed young woman who seemed to be walking, and perhaps shouting, along with other protesters; and that's enough for me to stand in judgement of an evil, repressive regime.
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    Image of missheidilynn missheidilynn
    11/18/09

    In reply to Frontline: Neda's Killing Continues To Haunt Friends, Family, Country
    Sometime things remind that I really have no clue how life can be...
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    thecameralovesyou promoted this comment missheidilynn was starred missheidilynn was unstarred
    Image of bitingfairy bitingfairy
    11/16/09

    In reply to After Neda: "Now I Have Left Iran, I Can Cry Out To Break The Silence"
    Christ, why can't they leave her grave alone? Let her parents have that at least. #nedasoltan
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    Image of Lymed Lymed
    11/16/09

    In reply to After Neda: "Now I Have Left Iran, I Can Cry Out To Break The Silence"
    Makan is a hero. May he continue to find the strength to stand up and fight. #nedasoltan
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    Image of hello.kitty hello.kitty
    11/16/09

    In reply to After Neda: "Now I Have Left Iran, I Can Cry Out To Break The Silence"
    This week's FRONTLINE (PBS) is about Neda's killing. It beging airing tomorrow night. #nedasoltan
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    Image of Susan B. Susan B.
    11/11/09

    In reply to Iran Denounces Scholarship For Iranian Students
    Even if her death was orchestrated by the opposition...isn't it still sad? Shouldn't they at least be saying, "Oh yes, our evil enemies killed her, let's memorialize her!"

    But then they wouldn't allow her a proper burial, so I guess I should stop making sense. #iran
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    Image of rd2uk rd2uk
    11/11/09

    In reply to Iran Denounces Scholarship For Iranian Students
    While i completely disagree with the claim that Nedas death was orchestrated by the opposition, and do not intend to discount her death in any way, I have to agree that naming a scholarship after her does, in fact, undermine Oxford credibility. I think, as an academic institution, Oxford should not be naming internal endowments after political figures (which, unfortunately, the circumstances of Neda's death have made her). It would be a different story if the fund was provided by external donors etc, but as this is an internal institutional scholarship, it should not betray such obvious political leanings. If for no other reason, then because it will make it that much harder for students from Iran to attend/return after attending this very prestigious university.

    Of course, this is just my opinion, but I say this as an academic as the other 'big university' in England. I think most academics here agree that our goal is to welcome and educate students from throughout the ethnic/racial/economic/political etc spectrum..and taking a atrong political stance as an institution makes that difficult to do.
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    Image of DexterHaven DexterHaven
    11/11/09

    @rd2uk: I see your point, but I think it's also hard to overlook the ideological history of much of Oxbridge's financing/endowments etc. Look at the Rhodes scholarship for a good example. Or the Said business school. And according to the story the donations were from external donors for this purpose. #iran
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    Image of greatsheelephant greatsheelephant
    11/11/09

    @rd2uk: I agree with you and the comments on the Times piece show why. While I very much support the opposition in Iran, the fact that I would feel outraged if a similar scholarship was set up to commemorate something I didn't support but others do makes me think that this type of politicisation is wrong.It might be different if Neda Soltan was a Oxford alumnus but I don't see any connection there. I'm also a little worried whether the recipient of the award will suffer if she returns to Iran. By the way, the article suggests that the fund is provided by external donors.
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    rd2uk promoted this comment Edited by greatsheelephant at 11/11/09 10:14 AM greatsheelephant was starred greatsheelephant was unstarred
    Image of Alohamaid Alohamaid
    11/11/09

    @rd2uk: I'm an Oxie and I totally support the creation of the scholarship. Here's why I don't think Neda is a political figure that's problematic: IMO she's not partisan. She has become a symbol of oppression not necessarily any political group, like the infamous tank man. My only critique of the scholarship is that its a bit soon. #iran
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    Image of rd2uk rd2uk
    11/11/09

    @DexterHaven: agree with you that we at oxbridge have a history of attaching ourselves to ideaologies that we 'like' but in the recent past (past 2 decades, really) theres been a concerted effort to remove the Uni itself from any political stance - which is why I think this is problematic. With reference to the donations being external, you are absolutely that the money comes from external sources, but it is awarded by the university and not by an external body, therefore aligning it to the Uni directly. It just seems like an unnecessary political statement that is just really divisive - which is the Uni (IMO) has no business being. #iran
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    11/11/09

    @rd2uk: I suppose my view is that if the university had rejected this endowment that in itself would have constituted a political statement, given that it has been quite willing to take money from eg Said (pretty recently too, in 2001). #iran
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    Image of rd2uk rd2uk
    11/11/09

    @DexterHaven: thats true, but I gott say, we get hundreds of proposals for small endowments (4000pounds over 2 yrs is a small amount for grad work for an intl student as tuition itself is about 10,000 a yr), that we dont agree to take on as internal grants but direct our students to as external grants. I mean, Im glad the someone gets extra help while in school, but dont like academia getting ties to politics so blatantly, its murky waters. #iran
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    Image of Valois Valois
    11/11/09

    @rd2uk: This may be a small point to make, but this is not University funding. As far as I understand it, it's a scholarship through Queens College, with money put up by 2 anonymous donors (most likely, former students of the College). You also have to be a member of the College to qualify for the award - it's not available to the full spectrum of philosophy students across the Uni. Of course there are political overtones to this (and please don't think that I purposefully understate them) - but as far as Oxford credibility goes...well, from firsthand experience I can say that it is nigh on impossible for an international student to afford a graduate degree at Oxford. You pay your £11,000+ in fees alone - and that doesn't cover how you will make rent, feed yourself, cover research expenses, or get home to see your family. Oxford talks alot about 'access' - but the truth of the matter is that you'd better be rich if you're foreign (and especially if you're over the age of 25). As the Provost mentioned, Oxford is losing out on the best graduate candidates, in part, because the cost of attending is simply too much for most people. This certainly relates to the University's 'credibility', doesn't it? It also relates to being able to take in the students who deserve to be there. #iran
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    Glitterbug (likes life shaken, not stirred) promoted this comment Valois was starred Valois was unstarred
    Image of Glitterbug (likes life shaken, not stirred) Glitterbug (likes life shaken, not stirred)
    11/11/09

    @Valois: Oxbridge may be expensive for foreign students, but there are a lot of countries where it's a damn sight worse. I really wanted to study Palaentology originally, but it isn't offered at most UK unis, and the cost of American ones, especially Ivy Leage, negated that as an option for me.

    Also, I don't know about Oxford, but at Cambridge there is a policy that once someone has been offered a place at the university, they should not have to drop out for financial reasons. Especially at the larger colleges, the numbers of grants etc available are staggering. #iran
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    Image of Valois Valois
    11/11/09

    @Glitterbug (likes life shaken, not stirred): I knew I should have gone to Cambridge! :) I don't want to get too off-topic, but I will say that I don't think Oxford will kick you out if you can't pay. But they WILL charge you penal interest. And they WILL let you starve in the meantime - especially now that hardship is centralised. #iran
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