Wait- is she asserting that this is "patriarchal and heteronormative" or is she just quoting someone who said it?
I think there's a weird tension, in American discussions of the middle east, between feminism and Islamophobia. I'm glad to hear somebody talking about it-- I came up with this while writing a research paper last semester and have kept my eyes open for further reading ever since.
@HannahBethD: That's a really broad assumption you're making. Not everyone thinks that. I'm just not really sure what you mean. I think I maybe taking this a little too hard because I'm Muslim...
@sarah0220: I got the gist from the quoted material that the writer (not Sadie) thought all the women were buying lingerie for patriarchal reasons.
I don't liek the assumption that all Muslim women (and not everyone makes this assumption, but it seems to be the overarching theme of almost every story I read about Muslim women) that every Muslim marriage is all horrible patriarchal cruelty all the time.
I'm not saying I think that. I;m sorry if I wasn't clear.
@HannahBethD: I get what you're saying, and I completely agree.
I think, though, that most of these assumptions about Muslims, not even just about marriage but about anything, come from major misunderstandings that exist about Islam and the Middle East and Muslim culture.
@HannahBethD: Gotchya. I just wasn't sure what point you were trying to make but I understand now. Thanks for clarifying :)
Also, I hope I didn't come off brash, it was one of those comments where you write exactly what you're thinking at that exact second and hit submit before you can smooth the edges.
There's a danger to Westernizing too much of the Middle East, but if "sexy" turns into "confident" like we've seen over here, I can't imagine that wouldn't be a bad thing.
The patriarchy is sickening. I say that as a dude.
OK so I was at a sample sale today and this girl next to me was wearing black high heeled boots, thigh high sheer black stockings, sexy thong underwear and matching bra. I felt wicked bad next to her with my Warner's bra from Daffy's and my 'wiggly worm' brand underwear from the closeout store (5 for 6 bucks). Guess who was a brunette and who was a bleached blonde ? And guess who has a double digit dress size? Yeah that wasn't a challenge. Seriously this girl dressed sexier for a day at the office than I've dressed in my life. It was quite something.
My husband bought me lingerie right before I got pregnant. It was beautiful - 100% silk, tasteful, from an exclusive boutique - BUT as Sadie mentioned, the fit was all wrong! (the racer-back cut of the underwear barely covered my big ol booty and the bra was too small around my rib cage) So even though the boy ticked all the right boxes, it was still a bust (har har).
Oh and I just found out the boutique invited him to a mens-only holiday preview night featuring lingerie moddles, a burlesque show, and free booze. I'm thinking about writing them an email and pointing out that this advertising angle might not be effective once the wives and girlfriends hear about it... Or suggest that they should invite the WAGs too!!
Um, I like thongs. That's what I wear. Other stuff just rides up. The boyfriend has no interest in lingerie so anything I buy is just for me. Needless to say, he doesn't buy me any.
I'm seeing a lot of distaste for thongs. I suppose they aren't really practical for FEELING sexy, as they are shoved halfway up the arse, but I wear them for a very practical reason; no VPL. Isn't that what they're for?
"Because the thing about lingerie gifts is, even if they kind of suck, most of us will wear them just to be good sports. Like faking orgasms, this kind of white lying runs the risk of fooling a guy into thinking he's done an awesome job..."
bwahahahaha
i really really enjoyed this line.
Also, i try not to be a picky bish about this, being as most of mine ends up torn or lost in some alley way that evening...
Honestly, I want my guy to buy me something he wants to see me in. 99% of my lingerie was picked out by me. It's sort of a kick to see what he might come up with! We like to have fun and get a little kinky, so I really don't see what's the trouble with red/black lace, thongs, teddies and whatnot. As long as there is no garter-stocking combo that makes my thighs look like jumbo franks, I'm cool with it.
I was in a relationship with a girl who wanted to wear lingerie for me (because she thought she should?), but didn't know what to buy.
She asked, "What about this one? Should I buy it? Or this one?"
I responded, "You don't need to wear lingerie you know...isn't this silly?"
Her: "But I want to!"
Me: "Why?"
Her: "Don't you think I'm sexy?"
Me: "Uh...of course. But you don't need to buy lingerie and even if you WANT to, I'd rather you pick something that you feel sexy in. I don't feel comfortable suggesting what I'd like to see you in."
Her: "You're a bad boyfriend."
Me: "I am not. Besides, you know I like PVC, not lace."
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I think there's a weird tension, in American discussions of the middle east, between feminism and Islamophobia. I'm glad to hear somebody talking about it-- I came up with this while writing a research paper last semester and have kept my eyes open for further reading ever since.
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04/28/09
Perhaps some Muslim men really do love their wives? Perhaps not every Muslim is an extremist?
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I don't liek the assumption that all Muslim women (and not everyone makes this assumption, but it seems to be the overarching theme of almost every story I read about Muslim women) that every Muslim marriage is all horrible patriarchal cruelty all the time.
I'm not saying I think that. I;m sorry if I wasn't clear.
04/28/09
I think, though, that most of these assumptions about Muslims, not even just about marriage but about anything, come from major misunderstandings that exist about Islam and the Middle East and Muslim culture.
04/28/09
Also, I hope I didn't come off brash, it was one of those comments where you write exactly what you're thinking at that exact second and hit submit before you can smooth the edges.
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The patriarchy is sickening. I say that as a dude.
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@MIXED: Deadspin darling.
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Oh and I just found out the boutique invited him to a mens-only holiday preview night featuring lingerie moddles, a burlesque show, and free booze. I'm thinking about writing them an email and pointing out that this advertising angle might not be effective once the wives and girlfriends hear about it... Or suggest that they should invite the WAGs too!!
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bwahahahaha
i really really enjoyed this line.
Also, i try not to be a picky bish about this, being as most of mine ends up torn or lost in some alley way that evening...
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She asked, "What about this one? Should I buy it? Or this one?"
I responded, "You don't need to wear lingerie you know...isn't this silly?"
Her: "But I want to!"
Me: "Why?"
Her: "Don't you think I'm sexy?"
Me: "Uh...of course. But you don't need to buy lingerie and even if you WANT to, I'd rather you pick something that you feel sexy in. I don't feel comfortable suggesting what I'd like to see you in."
Her: "You're a bad boyfriend."
Me: "I am not. Besides, you know I like PVC, not lace."
Reason #1082 I'm happy I'm not there anymore.
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I buy lingerie so I can prance around the apartment feeling pretty and then he can take it off.