hunting - Jezebel

posts about #hunting more →
Girl's Guide To Hunting And Fishing
By Land Or By Sea: Women Take On Male-Dominated Tasks
Well, They Know Where Their Food Comes From!
Classic Tales: Of Mice And Women

Your version of Internet Explorer is not supported. Please upgrade to the most recent version in order to view comments.

Dsmvwl Admin Promote to frontpage Approve user Ban user ×

Mireille is German for the Bart, the.
09/18/09

In reply to Girl's Guide To Hunting And Fishing
Um, yay? As a vegetarian, I am no fan of hunting. I do recognize that hunters and fisher-people are a large segment of the conservation movement. I understand it's use in animal population control to stave off starvation. And I also understand this is something some people may need to do to keep the freezer full. That's all fine.

Actually, I think if people were forced to kill and butcher their own meat we might have more vegetarians today. People are pretty blase about eating meat because they don't have to see where it comes from.

Personally, I couldn't reconcile that in my mind anymore. I could not wish away knowing that animals were being killed in pretty inhumane ways to fill my gullet.

If that makes me snobby and elitist... I don't agree. I'm living by my own code of ethics, which I obviously think is right, but I don't force that on anyone else or hold their meat eating or hunting ways against them. Just don't invite me on your deer hunt or show me pictures of you butchering your alligator or mock my vegetarianism and animal rights position and we'll get along swimmingly.
Reply

Edited by Mireille is German for the Bart, the. at 09/18/09 12:23 PM

la_periodista
09/18/09

@Mireille is German for the Bart, the.: I hate it when people give vegetarians a hard time. There are many reasons people choose not to eat meat or other animal products, like environmental concerns. As a meat-eater and supporter of responsible hunting, I can also totally understand people who advocate for LESS meat-eating, who don't see it as wrong if they or another person consumes meat at some point in time, so long as they're doing their part to reduce consumption.

And if it's for an animal rights position? Great! You just can't assume that people make these choices for the same reasons.

Plus, most vegetarians that I know, contrary to what the stereotypes might suggest, don't try to make you feel guilty for not being the same.
Reply

WashingMyHair promoted this comment Edited by la_periodista at 09/18/09 12:35 PM la_periodista was starred la_periodista was unstarred

MediasBlue
09/18/09

In reply to Girl's Guide To Hunting And Fishing
Good for her!

Everybody eats, and in order for each of us to eat, something - animal or plant - has to die. Some are able to kill their own food, either through hunting or by gathering, and some pay for their food at the store, and by doing so, have paid someone else to do the killing and gathering.

Does it matter how you got your food? If you are okay with how you got your food, can you not criticize how I got mine? I hunt, fish, garden, harvest berries, do my own butchering, make jelly, etc.

Hunting might not be pretty, but neither are corporate fish and animal farms. And industrial farming for vegetables is not always pretty or good for the earth.

So I'm going to be happy for Cammie Colin for doing something she enjoyed and that provided her food.
Reply

MediasBlue was starred MediasBlue was unstarred

ericacartman
09/18/09

In reply to Girl's Guide To Hunting And Fishing
I live in Louisiana. I highly doubt that girl is the youngest ever, at 16, to have bagged a gator.
Reply

hellosunshine promoted this comment ericacartman was starred ericacartman was unstarred

la_periodista
09/18/09

In reply to Girl's Guide To Hunting And Fishing
It amazes me how many fellow suburban midwesterners look at me like I'm some sort of redneck/general uncivilized being when I tell them I eat venison that my dad hunted. I'd be fine with that reaction if 100% of these people were vegan, but in my opinion, if you eat meat, you have no right to look down on responsible hunting (i.e. killing for food and using the animal, not just killing for trophy).

Also, these people, more often than not, tend to be liberals like me, which, for the most part support the green initiative and environmentalism. Oddly enough, many hunters are environmentalists. They appreciate nature and want to protect it. Hunters are people that enjoy being in nature and tend to take full advantage of its gifts. They appreciate being active members of the food chain as an alternative to buying all their meat from a factory farm.

So I totally understand if you don't want to be the one to actually shoot an animal. That's how I am. But know where your food comes from. I think factory farming is wrong and harmful, but really, hunted animals are as organic/free-range as it gets.

I wish more people would consider this!
Reply

MediasBlue promoted this comment la_periodista was starred la_periodista was unstarred

SarahMC
09/18/09

@la_periodista: I totally agree. There is a nuanced way to approach food and animal welfare.
Reply

SarahMC was starred SarahMC was unstarred

elliebean
09/18/09

@la_periodista: I agree with hunting and use of the whole animal. I have a much easier time reconciling that over factory farming for environmental reasons, as long as hunting and trapping are contained in conservation efforts and cooperation amongst all hunters to avoid depleting populations by over-hunting, or only hunting the strong and largest animals.
Reply

MediasBlue promoted this comment elliebean was starred elliebean was unstarred

la_periodista
09/18/09

@elliebean: Yeah, I believe that's why the have things like doe permits and how it's illegal to not register(/pay for?) deer you kill. Or something. I don't know the lingo. And actually, here in Michigan, the state and DNR gets a LOT of revenue from hunters, so regulation is good for the economy. We need all the help we can get!
Reply

la_periodista was starred la_periodista was unstarred

jenny_dreadful
09/18/09

In reply to Girl's Guide To Hunting And Fishing
I can understand the point of view that hunting is barbaric or wrong, but if you eat meat, you've got to admit it's probably more humane than factory farmed meat. And it's a lot more environmentally sound. I don't hunt myself, but I don't see how it's worse than eating a cow or a pig that's been mistreated its entire miserable life. At least the alligator lived most of its life in the wild, in its natural state, with enough freedom to move around. Can't say that for bacon, I'm afraid.
Reply

GirlFailer promoted this comment jenny_dreadful was starred jenny_dreadful was unstarred

nellicat
09/18/09

@jenny_dreadful: Yep. I hope the commenters who are complaining about the barbarity of it all are vegan. Cuz otherwise? Major hypocrites.
Reply

nellicat was starred nellicat was unstarred

LaComtesse
09/18/09

@jenny_dreadful: @nellicat: Holla.
Reply

LaComtesse was starred LaComtesse was unstarred

SarahMC
09/18/09

@nellicat: You don't have to be vegan to be anti-factory farming.
Reply

SarahMC was starred SarahMC was unstarred

jenny_dreadful
09/18/09

@nellicat: I can't help but feel that part of the reason why it's so acceptable for people, even people who eat meat, to look down on hunting, is because it's done mostly by rural poor folks. I'm talking about hunting for meat, of course, not big game hunting or anything like that.

I agree that it sucks that the alligator suffered. It sucks that animals suffer at all. But it's definitely no worse than McNuggets. Hunting can definitely be cruel, but slaughterhouses are extremely dangerous places to work, so there's human suffering at play as well, in addition to the protracted, lifelong suffering of all the animals there.
Reply

jenny_dreadful was starred jenny_dreadful was unstarred

nellicat
09/18/09

@SarahMC: But folks here aren't talking about factory farming. Folks here are talking about hunting - and unless you are vegan, you are killing and/or exploiting animals for your pleasure. Even if you buy only "free range" eggs or eat only cows that were killed one at a time instead of en masse.

The death of an animal that is meant to be eaten (or disposed of if her egg/milk production drops) is brutal and unnatural, no matter how pretty the pasture in which it takes place.
Reply

nellicat was starred nellicat was unstarred

LaComtesse
09/18/09

@nellicat: How is the death of an animal meant to be eaten unnatural?
Reply

LaComtesse was starred LaComtesse was unstarred

Zombies make the heart grow fonder
09/18/09

@jenny_dreadful: I eat meat, I am fine with hunting, I think people are too removed from their food origins and lack a sense of survival. I agree with everything you said. Newsflash: not every kill is perfect.
Reply

SarahMC
09/18/09

@nellicat: I don't oppose killing animals for food. I oppose needless suffering and cruelty to animals, which includes factory farming and incidents like this with the alligator.
Reply

SarahMC was starred SarahMC was unstarred

jenny_dreadful
09/18/09

@Zombies make the heart grow fonder: Yeah, it's like, it's okay to eat meat as long as it's killed by invisible brown people under really dangerous conditions someplace far, far away. If you can't bear to think of the horror of killing an animal, then why have someone else do it for you? I eat meat, by the way, the pearl clutching is just really getting to me.
Reply

jenny_dreadful was starred jenny_dreadful was unstarred

SarahMC
09/18/09

@jenny_dreadful: What are you talking about? You are setting up strawmen.
Reply

SarahMC was starred SarahMC was unstarred

jenny_dreadful
09/18/09

@SarahMC: I just cannot understand how someone who eats meat can be opposed to hunting. how is this any worse than eating bacon and eggs at a diner? Can you explain it to me?
Reply

jenny_dreadful was starred jenny_dreadful was unstarred

GirlFailer
09/18/09

@SarahMC: Sometimes in hunting bad kills happen (though most often they do not). I'm sure they tried their hardest to end it as quickly as they could, like some of the other commenters mentioned alligators dive down and don't resurface to make for a clear shot. I don't believe for one minute they were trying to torture the animal.
Reply

GirlFailer was starred GirlFailer was unstarred

SarahMC
09/18/09

@jenny_dreadful: Why are you assuming that just because someone has an issue with this that they are against all forms of hunting? That is an assumption on your part that is not based on logic. I'm opposed to CRUELTY. Some forms of "hunting" are cruel. Factory farming is cruel. Killing an animal is not necessarily cruel but some methods of killing are. Get it?
Reply

SarahMC was starred SarahMC was unstarred

Le Kangourou de Kataroo
09/18/09

@GirlFailer: Who REALLY wants to be dragged around a lake i n the middle of the night by a pissed off alligator if they could have stopped it earlier?
Reply

jenny_dreadful
09/18/09

@SarahMC: Not sure why you have to be so nasty about it, but I can certainly see your point. I think we both agree that unnecessary suffering should be eliminated. Is your take on it that given this particular set of restrictions, that alligator hutning is inherently cruel?
Reply

jenny_dreadful was starred jenny_dreadful was unstarred

nellicat
09/18/09

@LaComtesse: I only meant "unnatural" in the sense that it happens prematurely, by an outside cause, as opposed to a "natural" death of old age or something.
Reply

nellicat was starred nellicat was unstarred

SarahMC
09/18/09

@jenny_dreadful: I think spearing an animal in an attempt to kill it is cruel. Like with whales.
To clarify, though, I do oppose hunting that's just done for shits and giggles. Unless you're going to make use of the animal, it's wrong. I'm also damn sick of hunters discarding their dogs when they're no longer of use to them.
Reply

SarahMC was starred SarahMC was unstarred

jenny_dreadful
09/18/09

@SarahMC: Hunters discard their dogs? Like bird dogs and stuff? I hadn't heard of that, that's awful.
Reply

jenny_dreadful was starred jenny_dreadful was unstarred

LaComtesse
09/18/09

@nellicat: Gotcha.
Reply

LaComtesse was starred LaComtesse was unstarred

SarahMC
09/18/09

@jenny_dreadful: Yes, sorry; it's off topic.

But I support killing one's own food over factory farms any day.
Reply

SarahMC was starred SarahMC was unstarred

WashingMyHair
09/18/09

@jenny_dreadful: I grew up in a fairly urban part of Michigan where a good majority of the population hunted. These weren't poor, rural people. They were working and middle class people that didn't live in the country.

They didn't hunt out of necessity either. They hunt and fish because it was a cultural tradition. Hunting is a cultural tradition for many in Michigan. Not usually a necessity, something that I find is often misrepresented when discussing the motivation of many hunters.

Additionally, I have nothing against hunting for necessity, per se. I don't like the fact that people hunt AND fish for sport though (something about killing for sport bothers me). I also fail to see how bow hunting is considered humane in any way, shape or form...though maybe I'm missing something.

Just an FYI - I'm not vegan either.
Reply

Edited by WashingMyHair at 09/18/09 1:14 PM WashingMyHair was starred WashingMyHair was unstarred

Skellatrix
09/18/09

In reply to Girl's Guide To Hunting And Fishing
And then she skinned it, dyed it pink, and made new cute shoes and a handbag! 'Cuz that's what girls dooooo!

(Actually, I'd be impressed if she did that.)
Reply

Skellatrix was starred Skellatrix was unstarred

nellicat
09/18/09

In reply to Girl's Guide To Hunting And Fishing
"What happened to the gator?" "Ate 'er."
Reply

nellicat was starred nellicat was unstarred

SarahMC
09/18/09

In reply to Girl's Guide To Hunting And Fishing
Sometimes, acting like one of the boys is a major downgrade.
Reply

SarahMC was starred SarahMC was unstarred

Steven Kozel
09/18/09

In reply to Girl's Guide To Hunting And Fishing
The reason she didn't use a rifle was because it is against the law in the state of South Carolina. You are permitted to use a handgun to kill it once you have captured or speared it. The problem is that the gator will dive right to the bottom, then not surface again until its dead.

[www.dnr.sc.gov]
Reply

msAnthrope promoted this comment LaComtesse approved this comment Steven Kozel was starred Steven Kozel was unstarred

msAnthrope
09/18/09

@Steven Kozel: still no reason for it to go on for an hour.
Reply

msAnthrope was starred msAnthrope was unstarred

GirlFailer
09/18/09

@msAnthrope: You can't shoot a handgun into the water and expect to have a clear shot. So if the alligator didn't surface, they would have to wait until it surfaced to discharge the weapon safely.
Reply

Edited by GirlFailer at 09/18/09 10:49 AM GirlFailer was starred GirlFailer was unstarred

GirlFailer
09/18/09

@Steven Kozel: And I didn't know that they dove down after the bow hits them, that explains why it drug the boat so long. Hopefully.
Reply

GirlFailer was starred GirlFailer was unstarred

LaComtesse
09/18/09

@msAnthrope: I think safety was a concern: I wouldn't approach an angry alligator while in the water, before I knew it was good and tuckered.
Reply

LaComtesse was starred LaComtesse was unstarred

msAnthrope
09/18/09

@GirlFailer: i continue to be fascinated with the discrepancy in what humans can and can't do. we can split genomes and take photos of galaxies billions of miles away, but we can't figure out a quicker more humane way to kill an alligator other than letting him drag a boat for an hour while he suffers, until he's too tired and surfaces upon when he's killed.

can't help but thinking this is part of what gets off a lot of hunters~~ having the alligator drag them for extended periods. yee-hah!
Reply

msAnthrope was starred msAnthrope was unstarred

Steven Kozel
09/18/09

@msAnthrope: There's no way a handgun round would have much ballistic energy even 4 feet into the water to pierce alligator skull. Besides it would be moving, flailing and otherwise and moving targets are incredibly hard to hit and even more so from the moving platform of a boat.
Reply

LaComtesse approved this comment Steven Kozel was starred Steven Kozel was unstarred

GirlFailer
09/18/09

@msAnthrope: I can't speak for every hunter, and I don't hunt myself, but my family does. I think for most people it's a combination of sport/food/marksmanship that hunters enjoy. Most people that hunt don't let animals suffer, and try to end things as quickly as possible. That's where marksmanship comes in. This sounds like they couldn't get a clear shot at the gator and couldn't use a rifle to shoot into the water.
Reply

GirlFailer was starred GirlFailer was unstarred

Steven Kozel
09/18/09

@msAnthrope: You could shoot it with a rifle from 300 yards, but then it may not be certain to die instantly and swim away and die somewhere else. Most hunting laws are made by people who know the habits of the animals and nature of hunting and the weapons used.
Reply

LaComtesse promoted this comment GirlFailer approved this comment Steven Kozel was starred Steven Kozel was unstarred

GirlFailer
09/18/09

@GirlFailer: Also, I know many people don't agree with hunting, and that is fine! I, personally, am a meat eater, and I find it more humane to hunt meat than it being farmed. Though I do eat both.
Reply

Edited by GirlFailer at 09/18/09 10:58 AM GirlFailer was starred GirlFailer was unstarred

LaComtesse
09/18/09

@GirlFailer: I have far more respect for people like my brother, who hunt their meat, than people like me, who eat meat and have never seen an animal die.
Reply

LaComtesse was starred LaComtesse was unstarred

GirlFailer
09/18/09

@LaComtesse: I agree! I have tried to hunt but I hate getting up early, sitting still, shutting my yap, and being cold... so I don't enjoy it.
Reply

GirlFailer was starred GirlFailer was unstarred

LaComtesse
09/18/09

@GirlFailer: I don't like most game (venison= blegh) so that's probably reason #1, but my brother is an amazing shot, so if I WERE into game, I'd probably just send him out. :-p
Reply

LaComtesse was starred LaComtesse was unstarred

BlueJeans
09/18/09

@GirlFailer: I'm not much of a hunter myself, but I had a conversation a couple of weeks ago that I think is relevant.

I live in Wyoming at the moment, and one of the guys I work with is/was an avid bow hunter. It's my cousin's and brother's style of choice, so we were talking about ethical kills and why he prefers it to hunting with a gun -- that hunting with a bow requires real skill and certainty, because you want to bring the animal down totally with one clean shot so it doesn't suffer, and it's more of an actual "predator" experience because you have to work for it. He hasn't hunted since a deer bolted exactly when he took a shot and he had to go finish it with a knife -- he still feels bad about it.

The thing that struck me was when he was saying his favorite hunting trip he didn't bag anything -- he and his buddy tracked an elk for five hours, waiting, trying to stay downwind, observing, and eventually the elk took off. For him, it was the thrill of the actual work and respecting the animal enough to be a careful tracker, rather than the kill itself. REAL hunters, the ones I respect most -- I think this is what they get from it; it's almost like good sportsmanship.
Reply

GirlFailer promoted this comment BlueJeans was starred BlueJeans was unstarred

Grim Reaper of the Forest
09/18/09

@msAnthrope: Yee-hah? I have never hunted, but I have fished, and a lot of fishing does involve letting the fish run out the line until it tires. You can't reel it in forcibly or the line will break.
Reply

GirlFailer
09/18/09

@BlueJeans: Exactly. I have heard similar story from my aunt and uncle on a kill that did not go as planned, and they were really upset about it. It's certainly not the norm, but it happens, and any hunter worth his salt would be upset about it. You will hear most hunters talk first about the beauty and the size of the animal long before you'll hear about the actual kill.
Reply

GirlFailer was starred GirlFailer was unstarred

curglaff
09/18/09

In reply to Girl's Guide To Hunting And Fishing
Gah. This is not the type of equality I want... "See, girls? You too can go shoot an animal and watch it languish and struggle to escape for an hour before it gets shot in the head... just like the boys!"
Reply

msAnthrope promoted this comment Edited by curglaff at 09/18/09 10:43 AM curglaff was starred curglaff was unstarred

msAnthrope
09/18/09

@curglaff: i'm on board with this sentiment. it's like no matter what barbaric crap a guy does, if a woman can manage it, then it's great! that's more sexist than anything. it's like, only what men do is worth anything.
Reply

msAnthrope was starred msAnthrope was unstarred

GirlFailer
09/18/09

@curglaff: See, I don't think that's fair. If a girl happens to enjoy hunting and does it well, why doesn't she deserve the same praise a man would get? If you don't agree with hunting that's fine, but I don't see any reason to beyond that to say "this is not the type of equality you want". Some people hunt, and women deserve to enjoy the sport just like men.
Reply

GirlFailer was starred GirlFailer was unstarred

Le Kangourou de Kataroo
09/18/09

@GirlFailer: Like I said in my comment below, this is my hometown. EVERYONE hunts. It's not a boy v. girl thing - the first day of deer season half the school is out sitting in a deer stand somewhere, regardless of gender. I grew up watching baseball with my dad, some of my friends grew up hunting with their dads. And yet you don't disparage me for my love of sports...
Reply

GirlFailer
09/18/09

@Le Kangourou de Kataroo: Wait, do you think I disagree with you? I don't, I agree with you totally. Or are you agreeing with me? I'm confused Le Kangourou!
Reply

GirlFailer was starred GirlFailer was unstarred

Le Kangourou de Kataroo
09/18/09

@GirlFailer: I'm agreeing with you! Sorry! This has me all worked up. "WHO'S GOING TO THINK OF THE GATORS?!?!?!?!?" It's like deep sea fishing people - sometimes you have to shoot the fish to get it in the boat, but you have to wait til the fish is tired enough to reel it in to shoot it so it doesn't hurt everyone on the boat.
Reply

GirlFailer
09/18/09

@Le Kangourou de Kataroo: Whew. Okay. I confuse easily when I'm worked up.
Reply

Edited by GirlFailer at 09/18/09 11:52 AM GirlFailer was starred GirlFailer was unstarred

MissFiFi
09/18/09

In reply to Girl's Guide To Hunting And Fishing
So are gators the equivalent to deer in the South where they are seen as vermin? we all know it is actually mankind who has taken over their habitats, but it is easier to blame the animal. Just wonderin''
Reply

Le Kangourou de Kataroo promoted this comment MissFiFi was starred MissFiFi was unstarred

Gumbina80
09/18/09

@MissFiFi: God, I hate those arguments. "Well, the wolves/coyotes aren't keeping the deer in check. They're wandering around the neighborhoods getting hit by cars and digging in the trash. They NEED to be killed." Yeah, it's just some crazy coincidence that there aren't enough coyotes and wolves around, right? And the house you wanted in the exurbs, close to nature, is now too close to nature. So nature needs to make way for you.
Reply

Grim Reaper of the Forest promoted this comment Gumbina80 was starred Gumbina80 was unstarred

Grim Reaper of the Forest
09/18/09

@Gumbina80: That's not actually how it has worked. In the Northeast the deer are taking over and there has been an increase in coyotes. This is in towns that have been around since the 1700s, not in newly cleared forests. Right outside of Boston. Not in the "exurbs". Deer love suburban habitat.
Reply

Le Kangourou de Kataroo
09/18/09

@MissFiFi: Oh, we shoot deer too.
Reply

Le Kangourou de Kataroo
09/18/09

In reply to Girl's Guide To Hunting And Fishing
This is from my hometown! My brothers went to that high school.

They followed all the standard procedures for hunting alligators. She just happened to be the one who won the lottery for the permit, so she was the one who got to shoot.

They only give out 1,000 alligator permits a year. There's around 100,000 alligators in SC.
Reply

Edited by Le Kangourou de Kataroo at 09/18/09 10:42 AM

LaComtesse
09/18/09

In reply to Girl's Guide To Hunting And Fishing
The whole shooting the gator and killing it an hour later could have something to do with the fact that they couldn’t get a good shot after the initial one, so they would have to wait for it to tire out so they could safely get close. If this is the case… yeah, I don’t have a huge problem with it.
Reply

LaComtesse was starred LaComtesse was unstarred

msAnthrope
09/18/09

@LaComtesse: suppose it were an elephant instead of an alligator? or some other animal more endearing? a whale, maybe, or dolphin. still okay that the animal suffered for an hour so the state of SC can collect fees for these lotteries?
Reply

Edited by msAnthrope at 09/18/09 10:53 AM msAnthrope was starred msAnthrope was unstarred

LaComtesse
09/18/09

@msAnthrope: Elephants are endangered, so no. Dolphins, interestingly enough, I just had a discussion about this the other day: I have no problem with responsibly hunting dolphins. Cute and fuzzy makes no difference to me. As someone who eats meat, I'm not going to hypocritically decide which bountiful animal it's okay to eat and which it's not.
Reply

LaComtesse was starred LaComtesse was unstarred

nellicat
09/18/09

@LaComtesse: Which comedian talked about "dolphin safe tuna?" DOLPHIN-safe? WHAT ABOUT THE TUNA?
Reply

nellicat was starred nellicat was unstarred

LaComtesse
09/18/09

@nellicat: Ha! Oh I remember that! Hilarious. I always liked on the Simpsons when Marge referred to tuna as "brain food... I guess because of all the dolphins in it, and you know how smart they are."
Reply

LaComtesse was starred LaComtesse was unstarred

morninggloria
09/18/09

In reply to Girl's Guide To Hunting And Fishing
How embarrassing for the gator to have a 16 year old girl take it down. Not as embarrassing, however, as when an entire team of Gators were taken down by Ole Miss last year.
Reply

morninggloria was starred morninggloria was unstarred

bluebears
09/18/09

@morninggloria: BURN
Reply

bluebears was starred bluebears was unstarred

morninggloria
09/18/09

@bluebears: I cannot escape the siren song of college football. AND NEITHER CAN YOU!
Reply

morninggloria was starred morninggloria was unstarred

bluebears
09/18/09

@morninggloria: It knows where I live, it calls to me in the night....Big game for ND this weekend, if they don't win I assume Weiss will be promptly run out of town on a rail.
Reply

bluebears was starred bluebears was unstarred

morninggloria
09/18/09

@bluebears: I will blog about this later, and we can discuss it extensively.

Nerves: I have them.
Reply

morninggloria was starred morninggloria was unstarred

bluebears
09/18/09

@morninggloria: oh! I'm excited. I really need to stop threadjacking Jezebel posts for football related reasons....I have a problem.
Reply

bluebears was starred bluebears was unstarred

Zombies make the heart grow fonder
09/18/09

@morninggloria: Whoa whoa whoa MoGlo-them be fightin words...Look, Tebow cried after that game and then those magical tears lead the team to yet another National Championship ;) Take that you silly ND fan.

That gator in SC though is definitely the laughing stock of all the remaining gators...
Reply

morninggloria
09/18/09

@Zombies make the heart grow fonder: I'm just jealous of all of your success.

Boyfriend is a Florida grad, and pretty much a superfan. He has a suit that's half orange and half blue that he wears sometimes. Every week, I pray that the Gators win, because if they do not, Boyfriend sinks into a deep depression.
Reply

morninggloria was starred morninggloria was unstarred

NotChoinski
09/18/09

In reply to Girl's Guide To Hunting And Fishing
Steaks that taste like chicken, maybe.
Reply

NotChoinski was starred NotChoinski was unstarred

GirlFailer
09/18/09

@NotChoinski: Stringy chicken, no less.
Reply

GirlFailer was starred GirlFailer was unstarred

Katxyz
09/18/09

@GirlFailer: For real. It's been a long time since I've eaten meat, and my tastes as a child weren't very discerning, but I've had alligator meat and remember it being so gross and stringy. I was never a big carnivore, maybe it's delicious to most other people.
Reply

Edited by Katxyz at 09/18/09 11:52 AM Katxyz was starred Katxyz was unstarred

GirlFailer
09/18/09

@Katxyz: I'll eat it fried, but a steak of it... not so much.
Reply

GirlFailer was starred GirlFailer was unstarred

Earlier discussions Other discussions Show all discussions Show featured discussions only Start a new discussion