Okay, for real now. I'm not just insulted that they're disrespecting my president - they're fucking undermining the horrors of the Holocaust. I'm not Jewish, but on their behalf I'm fucking pissed.
PEOPLE, ONCE AND FOR ALL: Hitler was a FASCIST, not a socialist or communist. Fuckin a, idiots, at least compare Obama to Mao if you're going the 'Obama iz teh communist devil!!1!' route.
I. Give. Up. From now on I am just going to ignore these people. I am just going to put my hands over my eyes and say, "I can't see you! LALALALA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU EITHER!" It seems to work well for many of the birthers, teabaggers, and astroturfers. And I will have my own tea party with tea and scones and we will talk about healthcare in calm, indoor voices like adults and none of these people are invited. So there. (Sticks out tongue)
Remember that one country whose leader was obsessed with "traditional" values? Where women were praised for having large families? Where the people espoused nativist values and became paranoid and violent toward people who looked different and had different religious beliefs?
Sound like someplace you'd like to move, birthers and nutjobs? Yeah? THAT WAS NAZI GERMANY.
"It is a tribute to the First Amendment that this kind of bile, contemptable nonsense is so freely propogated. Ma'am, trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table; I have no interest in doing it."
(Barney Frank)
I know why they do it. Comparing Obama to Hitler is the easiest was to get a rise out of us. When I was substitute teaching the ONLY time I ever lost my temper is when a kid drew a swastika on his palm and showed it off to to the rest of the class as "something cool." I think I actually said "Are you fucking stupid?" But that's what these people are trying to do. Drown out the semblance of rational discussion in their opponents by doing something really heinous to piss them off. I know when I see something like that I get so mad I can't even see straight.
Unless of course I'm ascribing too much self-awareness to them and they really are that fucking stupid.
@Spacegirl.goes.home: I was subbing once and a kid did a nice little Nazi march across the room and ended with a Hiel Hitler. I sent him to the office. His punishment was in-school suspension for the remainder of the day. That's it. I thought that a little education on why that isn't appropriate would have been better. :0/
@dj_chick: I once had to show a class "Escape from Sobibor" and then have them write down their responses. One charming little kid wrote: "Why should we care, Miss, they was just Jews?" So the entire class got a nice long lecture on tolerance from me, and thankfully the rest of the classes were suitably appalled.
This has lead me to the conclusion that some people are just going to be assholes no matter how thorough their education.
This is just so so so repugnant to me. If you want to be against healthcare, that's fine. I don't understand it; honestly I will think you are selfish for not wanting to make health care available to all Americans who so desperately need it, but I do understand that there may be room for reasonable debate and certain valid objections to the proposed bill. THIS IS NOT IT! To me it is disgusting that anyone would stoop as low as this (over health care, too, that's the kicker). The scope of the tragedy of Nazism and the brutality, suffering, and mind-boggling cruelty and loss-of-life carried out by Hitler and his followers should prevent anyone with a shred of dignity, respect for others, or even basic respect for humanity from using his likeness for self-serving political ends. To me it is an INSULT to those who survived Nazism, to those who fought against it, to those who try to gather meaning and hope for the future in the statement, "never again," especially knowing that genocide has happened again, continues to happen. But to me this is so loathsomely cheap on facts, cheap on respect, cheap on legitimacy. I know most Americans are not behind the extremist use of Hitler imagery, but I think we need to be quicker, stronger, and more united in condemning this kind of behavior when it is exhibited. This type of behavior is not democratic--this is not free speech, it is hate speech.
To me, this speech should be free. What troubles me (and I haven't seen the coverage of the health care protests) is when networks legitimate it as a "protest," and not hateful, venomous speech. It should be called what it is, regardless of how objective you claim your network is. Because comparing a black man who is working to improve access to life-saving healthcare, to a white man who killed millions of people in his quest for racial perfection is the most fucking idiotic thing I've ever seen.
Although, you may have a point about the free speech, because If I saw someone like this, I can't promise I woudn't be incited to violence.
The sick, twisty part of me has created this scenario in my head: These people screaming and shouting, holding up signs like this and comparing Obama to Hitler. Along comes a group of Neo-Nazis, you know, extras from American History X-type kids. And they're all like, "Yo awesome! We love Nazism! Heil Hitler!" and make a big ruckus, and everyone holding those fucking signs and shouting goes "Uh, wait a minute..."
Also, I was asked by LaRouche supporters years ago for money. I was on a lunch break from a dreadful job, so I figured why not listen to this idiot spew a bunch of his rhetoric for awhile. Scarily, it reminded of the way they entice fools into Scientology. This idea of a new world order, coupled with just opening my piggy bank will always freak me out.
These people just continue to the prove the point that the majority of Americans are dumb dumbs who follow along any type of mass hysteria. In fact, they resemble the characteristics of nazis more than other participant in the Health Care Reform discussion.
@ArtfulSlinger: Well, this and a few other comments here ring to me as taking the easy way out.
Sure it is easy to label all of these people as "dumb dumbs" or "racists". In fact these are every day average people. Misguided? sure! Misinformed? yep!
I am much more concerned with the phenomenon we seem to be experiencing that involves your average American loosing the ability to use logic instead of ideology to solve problems.
We have entire industries built up to support and reinforce specific ideological viewpoints. If I want to only get my information from a "conservative" perspective, I can get that and easily. In fact it is very difficult if not impossible to get unbiased information in this so called information age.
At the heart of it, 95% of Americans are incredibly similar, and share much the same life experiences regardless of race, color, ideology, or creed.
It is only after you run everyone through this mind numbing filter of so called "information" that is completely tailored to whatever ideological "flavor" that you choose, that we suddenly find all of these "differences" between us.
@bigduke: I agree with you that it is a cop-out to merely label someone "racist."
So, instead, we can concentrate on the behavior that makes these people seem racist. I don't think if Hillary Clinton had won the presidency, we would be seeing quite the level of hysterics that accompany these protests. We've continuously seen Barack Obama portrayed as the "other," as scary and foreign. Whether it's from the Birther movement, or early claims that he was a Muslim, or that he is a fascist/socialist, attacks on him have concentrated mainly on trying to portray him as anti or un-American. You have people like Glenn Beck stating that Obama has a deep-seeded hatred of white people.
I think white people are scared that the black man has come to take their job, and there isn't too much they can do about it. They are so freaking scared that their traditional, white, christian, centrist views might not be the most popular anymore. And when this fear manifests itself in these type of protests, this is what is potentially racist, where that fear is coming from. The fear that their race and values might not be dominant forever.
So they show a picture of Obama as a brutal foreign leader of an un-American political ideology. Just one more way of showing he is "other."
And yes, I really believe I share 95% of my experiences with my minority friends. But I think it's our differences that are the most important. Our similarities, I will always understand, but it's our differences, no matter how "minor," that I need to try to understand, or at least be aware of. Or else I'm not really that much better than any of these crazies.
@MizJenkins: No, they're not that fickle. Reports of dissatisfaction have been wildy overestimated. Most of the people whining today are the same people that were crying into their Old Milwaukees on Nov. 5.
@MizJenkins: I'm pretty sure the woman holding up the the stupid hitlerized photo was not at the inauguration celebrating. She was at a gun shop buying up more ammo.
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(Barney Frank)
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Unless of course I'm ascribing too much self-awareness to them and they really are that fucking stupid.
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This has lead me to the conclusion that some people are just going to be assholes no matter how thorough their education.
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To me, this speech should be free. What troubles me (and I haven't seen the coverage of the health care protests) is when networks legitimate it as a "protest," and not hateful, venomous speech. It should be called what it is, regardless of how objective you claim your network is. Because comparing a black man who is working to improve access to life-saving healthcare, to a white man who killed millions of people in his quest for racial perfection is the most fucking idiotic thing I've ever seen.
Although, you may have a point about the free speech, because If I saw someone like this, I can't promise I woudn't be incited to violence.
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These people screaming and shouting, holding up signs like this and comparing Obama to Hitler. Along comes a group of Neo-Nazis, you know, extras from American History X-type kids. And they're all like, "Yo awesome! We love Nazism! Heil Hitler!" and make a big ruckus, and everyone holding those fucking signs and shouting goes "Uh, wait a minute..."
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Sure it is easy to label all of these people as "dumb dumbs" or "racists". In fact these are every day average people. Misguided? sure! Misinformed? yep!
I am much more concerned with the phenomenon we seem to be experiencing that involves your average American loosing the ability to use logic instead of ideology to solve problems.
We have entire industries built up to support and reinforce specific ideological viewpoints. If I want to only get my information from a "conservative" perspective, I can get that and easily. In fact it is very difficult if not impossible to get unbiased information in this so called information age.
At the heart of it, 95% of Americans are incredibly similar, and share much the same life experiences regardless of race, color, ideology, or creed.
It is only after you run everyone through this mind numbing filter of so called "information" that is completely tailored to whatever ideological "flavor" that you choose, that we suddenly find all of these "differences" between us.
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So, instead, we can concentrate on the behavior that makes these people seem racist. I don't think if Hillary Clinton had won the presidency, we would be seeing quite the level of hysterics that accompany these protests. We've continuously seen Barack Obama portrayed as the "other," as scary and foreign. Whether it's from the Birther movement, or early claims that he was a Muslim, or that he is a fascist/socialist, attacks on him have concentrated mainly on trying to portray him as anti or un-American. You have people like Glenn Beck stating that Obama has a deep-seeded hatred of white people.
I think white people are scared that the black man has come to take their job, and there isn't too much they can do about it. They are so freaking scared that their traditional, white, christian, centrist views might not be the most popular anymore. And when this fear manifests itself in these type of protests, this is what is potentially racist, where that fear is coming from. The fear that their race and values might not be dominant forever.
So they show a picture of Obama as a brutal foreign leader of an un-American political ideology. Just one more way of showing he is "other."
And yes, I really believe I share 95% of my experiences with my minority friends. But I think it's our differences that are the most important. Our similarities, I will always understand, but it's our differences, no matter how "minor," that I need to try to understand, or at least be aware of. Or else I'm not really that much better than any of these crazies.
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Remember in Dinosaur times when this was the Obama picture in our heads?
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