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The Queen of No
03/23/09

In reply to Diablo Cody's Friends Help Her Laugh Off The Haters
I love United States of Tara soo much. Diablo is a fantastic writer. Some of the dialogue blows me away with how real it is.
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whynotshesaid
03/23/09

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I would like to have a similar group of writer ladyfriends. As it is I am the only writer lady I know in real life - although I do know some over the interwebs - and I always think how awesome it would be to have other writer ladies to turn to. I'm writing a book right now and it is such a solitary fucking process that I could totally get on board with having a lady gang of fellow writers to hang with.
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tudobem
03/23/09

@whynotshesaid: I will be your writer ladyfriend. I just finished my book and it was so frustrating not to have someone to vent to. I had to throw ideas at my poor husband who is only horrified that I don't know how to use Excel.
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whynotshesaid
03/23/09

@tudobem: I have just friended you! And congratulations on finishing your book!

I am doing the same thing to my husband. I think he is sick of hearing every other sentence out of my mouth be about the book.
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rednrowdy
03/23/09

In reply to Diablo Cody's Friends Help Her Laugh Off The Haters
where are the articles about male screenwriters* that talk about what they are wearing, what they are eating, their piercing eyes, their broad, manly shoulders, their bulging biceps, their hipper-than-thou clothing...oh wait a second, they don't really exist because it's not newsworthy.

that's what annoys me. i don't begrudge the women in the article their talent or publicity - good for them. i am annoyed that the talent and publicity has to come in hand with comments about their looks, their clothing, and all this other crap that has nothing...absolutely nothing to do with the stories they write.

*i'm not talking about book authors and whatnot...i'm talking about men in the movie business that are not in front of the camera.
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sarah.of.a.lesser.god (aka Mrs. BrutallyHonestHobbit)
03/23/09

@rednrowdy: Do Ben Affleck and Matt Damon count? ;)
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rednrowdy
03/23/09

@sarah.of.a.lesser.god (aka Mrs. BrutallyHonestHobbit): ha, that's funny. and no, they don't.
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hortense
03/23/09

In reply to Diablo Cody's Friends Help Her Laugh Off The Haters
I would have liked the NYTimes article a whole lot more without the super airbrushed picture attached to it.

You can't win, really, I guess.
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badmutha
03/23/09

@hortense: I think being airbrushed would be fun. But not in a picture, in real life. Sort of like getting microderm abrasion without the abrasion part.

Clearly I have thought about this too much.
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Trulymadlyme
03/23/09

@hortense: Concur. I hate how airbrushing has basically made it so we can no longer tell what celebrities look like. It's puzzling.
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lilbobbytables
03/23/09

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Even in an article that focuses on their success and their friendship, Schoeneman just couldn't resist commenting on their looks and their clothes.

:(

I wish it didn't always boil down to that for women. As Schlegs84 said, I am glad they have a support system - trying to go it alone would drive anyone insane, I would think. How awful it must be to have haters. I get not liking a writer's (writing) style, but that is no reason for verbal evisceration, IMHO.
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PrettyNotPretty
03/23/09

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I actually think young men in the field get their looks focused on too. If I hear one more article say something about Darren Aranofsky's "slight muscular build" and "piercing, thoughtful eyes" I'll vom.

Perhaps it is worse for these women, but I think it's more superficiality than the fact that they're women. It happens to anyone deemed remotely attractive when their field isn't based on looks. Maybe the connotations are different when it's a female subject.

Fah. I'm wearing a mask for the rest of my career.
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rosasparks
03/23/09

@PrettyNotPretty: I'd join you on this.

I read that shiteous article in W about Zak Snyder who had to flash his back tattoo. Like, who gives a fuck WHAT tattoo he has or whatever. He's a writer and director.
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badmutha
03/23/09

@PrettyNotPretty: RE: masks "They are very comfortable you know. I predict soon everyone will be wearing them."

/Princess Bride
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PrettyNotPretty
03/23/09

@badmutha: Princess Bride references make EVERYTHING better.

@rosasparks is entertained by bobby jindal: Yup, that came to mind when I read this post as well. It was so...fetishized.
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Jack_Burton
03/23/09

@PrettyNotPretty: Also: Sebastian Junger...

BTW: Princess Bride was written by William Goldman - one of the best out there!

Man, being successful really sucks. People pay attention to you.
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ArtfulSlinger
03/23/09

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As a budding screenwriter myself, its nice to see a group of women who have each others' backs and will support each other throughout this crazy ride.

I wouldn't mind if Diablo and Co. wanted to pull me into their group.
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Sev
03/23/09

@ArtfulSlinger: Here's my question - what happens if you are a new female screenwriter in Hollywood and DON'T get pulled into their group?
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robot ninja spy
03/23/09

@Sev: Here's my question - what happens if you are a new female screenwriter in Hollywood and DON'T get pulled into their group?

Hey! I know I'm not ArtfulSlinger, but I think the answer here is to be the one to start a similar group. Look for other women who are new to Hollywood and band together. David Mamet said something to the effect that new actors/writers/directors should strive to rise with the ranks, not just through them. Don't over look the talent of your peers. :) And this makes sense considering all the people working right now who consistently work on each others' films.
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robot ninja spy
03/23/09

@robot ninja spy is back... for now. weather: you are on not...: I know, I know. Overlook is one word. I caught it the minute I hit "submit."
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LaComtesse
03/23/09

In reply to Diablo Cody's Friends Help Her Laugh Off The Haters
Ms. Cody... Brooke.

Critics aren't haters. They're critics. Calling a critic a hater is like calling your gyno a pervert. IT'S THEIR JOB to do that.
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J.D.Regent
03/23/09

@LaComtesse: I think they were talking less about critics of their work and more about people who feel the need to comment on a female screenwriter's looks, tattoos, or strippiness.
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LaComtesse
03/23/09

@J.D.Regent: She mentions critics and bad reviews alongside bloggers and people who snark about what she's wearing. The fact that she does not differentiate is somewhat infuriating.
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Santos L Halper
03/23/09

@LaComtesse: You put something out there for public consumption, and then the public wants to comment on it = haters. I understand that it's probably really difficult reading some of those critiques, but did she really expect a warm reception from every person on planet earth?
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mepo - Robert Cornhole invented it
03/23/09

@LaComtesse: You know her gyno totally writes for Rotten Tomatoes.

"Her anterior vaginal wall is a little overstated and obvious while her ectocervix is straight out of the Gilmore Girls".
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LaComtesse
03/23/09

@SantosLHalper: It's like "Yes, you shouldn't be judged based on your looks: that doesn't mean your WORK is above judgement."
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ronniedobbs
03/23/09

@LaComtesse: Seriously, I want that word to be retired. Perhaps "detractors" is more apt, and less teen-speak oriented. I just think the term is too synonymous with "yur just jellus" for my taste.
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Sev
03/23/09

@LaComtesse: For a different perspective on critics (and I mean the ones who get paid to be critics) check out Jamie Kennedy's documentary "Heckler." It's mostly about jackass hecklers (obvs) but it does look at critics who are cruel simply for the sake of being cruel.
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LaComtesse
03/23/09

@ronniedobbs: And I seriously feel like we've got a lot of that from her. "No. I didn't hate Juno because you're a chick writer, or because you don't have formal training, or because you were a stripper, or because I'm jealous or threatened. It's because I thought the movie sucked. That's all."
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LaComtesse
03/23/09

@Sev: That sounds interesting!
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Aesop's Foibles. YES.
03/23/09

In reply to Diablo Cody's Friends Help Her Laugh Off The Haters
Leave out the haterade, and their lives sound like a bitchin good time. Really. But does it even mildly surprise, oh I don't know, anyone that people would take any opportunity to hate on/snark about these women? Cause it sure as hell doesn't surprise me. They're young women, they're successful, and they're in the public eye. People love to take other people down out of jealousy, and that's nothing new. It's great that they have eachother to deflect some of the nastiness, which, I'd imagine, gets pretty darn nasty.
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lilbobbytables
03/23/09

@..now it's just Aesop's Foibles.: It does not surprise me, but it makes me sad all the same.
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whynotshesaid
03/23/09

@..now it's just Aesop's Foibles.: It doesn't surprise me either. I remember when Diablo Cody used to comment here and other commenters would be so fucking vicious, as if they knew she was reading and it was their chance to get their digs in at someone they envy-hated. Like, way more than other celebrities got. I always thought it was sad. I mean, dislike her work but don't be an asshole about at, you know?
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schoolofloverboy
03/23/09

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I just dont think her work is that interesting.
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Tara Incognita
03/23/09

@schoolofloverboy: How does this relate to the post? (I'd like to add "asswipe" but I'll refrain.)
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samethingwedoeverynightpinky
03/23/09

@Tara Incognita: I don't know, I think there's something weird about lumping all critics together as "haters," as if here are these funny happy women trying to have successfuly lives, and for some reason a bunch of people say mean things about them, probably because they're jealous. They work in the realm of pop culture. They make art. People are supposed to analyzing their work and vehemently defending or attacking it. Art is not a thing you do to make you feel better and make everyone love you. Obvioutly, it's bullshit that people talk abot their bodies and their appearance and what have you. But I think the "you're just jealous" argument is generally a failing argument, and this article seems to posit the primary objection to Cody as jealousy.
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schlegs84
03/23/09

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I'm glad they found a support system and that more women (relatively) are working in Hollywood.

ALSO:

I think Tracie and Diablo Cody look alike...

Does anyone else see it?
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emsigh_the_third
03/23/09

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velvet.fistfull of love
03/23/09

@emsigh_the_third: Seriously, what is your glitch?
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Bgirl_Hamster
03/23/09

That was the fastest disemvoweling ever. Way to go Hortense!
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Bgirl_Hamster
03/23/09

@schlegs84 thinks John Galt can suck it.: Not to do the echo chamber, but I was going to comment on that. It's got to be the pretty cheekbones.
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Plum-Pie
03/23/09

@Hortense: Girl, you are like greased lightening!
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schlegs84
03/23/09

Whoa! I am so sorry I opened that can of worms! I think they are both talented writers and I was wondering if I was the only one who noticed their similar coloring and bone structure.

Sorry again!
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hortense
03/23/09

@Plum-Pie: @Bgirl_Hamster: I just stepped in from a lunch break so I believe we can give Dodai credit for this one. :)
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Eleanor Ramilly
03/23/09

@emsigh_the_third: What the hell is wrong with you.
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Eleanor Ramilly
03/23/09

@Shannon: Sorry, that's not helpful. But shocking. Really?
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lilbobbytables
03/23/09

@schlegs84 thinks John Galt can suck it.: You were making a valid point! You can't control the trolls! But well done, Dodai, for the rapidfire (VERY WARRANTED) disemvoweling.
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angelina jolie-laide is a gaudy tulip
03/23/09

@velvet.fistfull of love: That commenter is ALWAYS rude.
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saintbernadette
03/23/09

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I like this, but I wonder how much the fact that they have a special clique is going to quell the girl-on-girl crime.

I hate how much all of this reminds me of high school
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Plum-Pie
03/23/09

@saintbernadette: I think it sdepends on whether or not, the group goes around calling other women 'ugly' or spreading rumours that their boyfriends are actually behind their work.

It's not innately high school to have a group of close friends.
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saintbernadette
03/23/09

@Plum-Pie: No, not at all. But the part about the matching necklaces, and how the "new girl" is referred to as "the freshman" . . . it's just makes me a little queasy, I guess.
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Angelinos_do_it_better
03/23/09

@saintbernadette: @rowingrowingrowing:

I don't know I think there is too much focus on the necklaces as high school. I have a close group of friends and where there is an occasion that I have to buy them all a gift, say gift from a trip abroad, I usually get them the same thing. 1) Yeah it is an endearment thing 2) It is just a heck of a lot easier than trying to individualize 5 separate gifts.

I think it is cool that there is a group of women out there that support each other in their craft. Me and my friends recently had a discussion about why and how we could support each other more in what we do, though we all do very different things.
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saintbernadette
03/23/09

@Angelinos_do_it_better: What I'm pointing at here is not the fact that they are all friends and support each other. That is wonderful.

It's the exclusivity thing that reminds me of high school.
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Angelinos_do_it_better
03/23/09

@saintbernadette: But a group of friends is always exclusive. I don't get the point of saying that because they hang out together that somehow makes them evil.

I was pointing out that when you have a group of friends and you have to all buy them a gift that often you get them the same thing because it is easier. And nicknames. A lot of groups of different genders have them.

I just don't see anything that screams high school clique rather than a group of people that are close, do things to, buy each other gifts, and have nicknames. Because if those are the criteria for cliques than most of the adult groups I know both in my age group and my parents generation are cliques.

Also my parents take trips with their friends so I'm sure that makes them cliquey too, right?
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saintbernadette
03/23/09

@Angelinos_do_it_better: I guess you have a different perspective if you're still IN high school.

Also, the word "evil" was never mentioned.

I have many groups of friends. I have groups of women at work who support the hell out of me every day. We do not have matching jewelry, and we do not have names for our circles of friends, a la "Fempire," although I wish I'd thought of that name first.
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Angelinos_do_it_better
03/23/09

@saintbernadette:
Um no need for personal attack here. I'm actually in my mid-twenties and about to start my law career at big law firm.

My connonation of clique is one that a group of people who purposely exclude other people and put them down. Yeah I would say that is pretty evil.

A group of people who happen to be close I would not call a clique per se and there would need to be something more nefarious to the group formation other than closeness.
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saintbernadette
03/23/09

@Angelinos_do_it_better: I did not personally attack you.

Congratulations on your new job.
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girlhappy
03/23/09

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You've got it exactly right, Megan. How many articles on male screenwriters comment on their attractiveness and their clothes? I couldn't read to the end of this article over the weekend, because I felt like the emphasis on their looks was overshadowing the narrative about their friendship and success. Grr.
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Dear Blond Diary
03/23/09

@girlhappy: Well I read a few of the articles on I Love You, Man, and it focused on how funny the guys are, and how much they riff off each other. It would seem that old gender stereotypes (ie girls are interesting because they are pretty and guy because they are funny) die hard.
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J.D.Regent
03/23/09

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Slightly OT but I couldn't help but think Diablo's most recent article about Bret Michaels in EW was a pale imitation of Tracie's work. [www.ew.com]
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ArtfulSlinger
03/23/09

@J.D.Regent: Ugh that article was terrible. No point to it. Well no concise point that is.
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Santos L Halper
03/23/09

@J.D.Regent: I read that, too, and remember thinking the same thing. The article was less about the show than it was her personal reaction to the show.
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sarah.of.a.lesser.god (aka Mrs. BrutallyHonestHobbit)
03/23/09

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My question: Why was this in the Style section? It's about screenwriters. It should be in the Arts section. Would an article about the Frat Pack automatically be relegated to a different section of the newspaper? Doubtful.
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Dear Blond Diary
03/23/09

@sarah.of.a.lesser.god (aka Mrs. BrutallyHonestHobbit): hmm, well maybe that's why the author commented so much on their looks and what they wear...it's supposed to be a style piece? Definitely a bit suspect
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Bgirl_Hamster
03/23/09

@sarah.of.a.lesser.god (aka Mrs. BrutallyHonestHobbit): Also, would a Frat Pack article include a picture reminiscent of a girly pillow fight?
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Santos L Halper
03/23/09

@sarah.of.a.lesser.god (aka Mrs. BrutallyHonestHobbit): I've noticed in the past few months that if there is a story about above average-looking people, they just clunk it into the Style section, regardless of content. I guess it's the paper's pretty refuge.
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SarahMC
03/23/09

@Dear Blond Diary: Noooo, anything about women is automatically sent to the Style section of the paper. Anything.
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sarah.of.a.lesser.god (aka Mrs. BrutallyHonestHobbit)
03/23/09

@Bgirl_Hamster: No, it would just constantly talk about how the Frat Pack members aren't conventionally attractive but still awesome! And then their corresponding woman article would emphasize how OMG THEY ARE SMART AND GORGEOUS CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?!
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Dear Blond Diary
03/23/09

@sarah.of.a.lesser.god (aka Mrs. BrutallyHonestHobbit): Ironic since most of those guys are performers where their looks are somewhat relevant to the career, unlike these writers
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whynotshesaid
03/23/09

@sarah.of.a.lesser.god (aka Mrs. BrutallyHonestHobbit): My biggest hate-on about the NYT is how anything about women ends up in Fashion & Style. Domestic violence? Fashion & Style. Cervical cancer? Fashion & Style. Mommy wars? Fashion & Style.

They should just go back to having the women's pages. At least it'd be a lot more honest.
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