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    01/30/09

    In reply to Father Who Named Son "Adolf Hitler" Speaks
    Okay this is going to piss a lot of people off so let me start off by saying my mom is Jewish and two of my great grand parents died in a german concentration camp.


    Its not right for the state to take Children away from a family based souly on the childrens names. If the state can do it in this case whats to stop it from taking children away from parents based on unpopular political positions, or foul language.


    In my mind as awful and hateful as these people might be it sets a terrible president and opens the door for abuse down the road.


    Should the state keep an eye on the childrens safety YES (YES YES YES) but it needs a reason to step in that words protected under the constitution.

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    01/30/09

    @DisclaimerXY: Agreed that the state shouldn't take kids away because of their names, but that's really not what happened here. The only thing the state has said about this case publicly is that the children's name were definitely not the reason they were taken out of the home.


    About a week ago, the parents had a custody hearing. Their car got pulled over (expired inspection sticker). They then complained to the press that A. the cops called Heath "that Nazi guy" (he has swastikas tatooed on his neck and painted on his car) and B. the officers made him take a sobriety test because they smelled alcohol. The wife indignantly explained that it wasn't him, it was her mother in the back seat who reeked of alcohol at 9:30am. And that they'd brought Grandma along in hopes that the judge would give the kids to drunken grandma. I am not joking. So I think we can suspect there may be some bad judgment going on in that family, along with a persecution complex.

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    Image of AfroJezeBella AfroJezeBella
    01/29/09

    In reply to Father Who Named Son "Adolf Hitler" Speaks
    Ok, so he's a dumbass but I feel bad that they took his kids without telling them why. Give him back his kids!
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    01/29/09

    @A: Oh, I'm sure he knows why...they just arent letting the public know.
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    01/29/09

    In reply to Father Who Named Son "Adolf Hitler" Speaks
    I like how they sent the Black woman reporter to interview him. I wonder how much that was pre-planned.
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    01/29/09

    In reply to Father Who Named Son "Adolf Hitler" Speaks
    Does anyone else think it's a riot that the racist Aryan nation loving Dad is happily using a black reporter to plead his case?
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    01/29/09

    In reply to Father Who Named Son "Adolf Hitler" Speaks
    I do not think that naming your children after Nazis and supporting the Aryan Nation is an "unfortunate mistake," or any other toned down language people are using. The Holocaust was one of the most significant atrocities in recent history (I know that there are many cases of genocide, and I'm not trying to wash over those), and to celebrate the people behind it and their cause (to build an Aryan world) in such a manner that pushes your idiotic, hateful beliefs onto children (without their consent, too) is abuse. These children have become a medium for their parent's backwards, racist beliefs. They will be judged for it.

    And hate speech, specifically hate speech that is disruptive or can lead to physical harm is not protected.

    I'm sorry if this was inarticulate. I'm pretty upset about how lightly people are taking these names.
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    01/29/09

    @Ailanthus-altissima: I get where you're coming from. I just finished watching "War and Remembrance" again, and I also watched "Nuit et Brouillard" last night. If I did not know that the Holocaust was real, and actually happened, I would not think that such horrors could be possible. And yet Hitler allowed it to happen, MADE it happen. Naming your child after him, glorifying him, is not simply a "bad choice." It is proof that such atrocities could still take place today.
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    01/29/09

    @Ailanthus-altissima: Speech that is "disruptive" is most definitely protected by the First Amendment unless it is going to cause imminent violence, and IMHO, it absolutely should be. I'm Jewish and a Zionist and I'm well aware of all the Nazi atrocities, but I find the free-speech restrictions you're advocating much scarier than the existence of one family of illiterate white-pride assholes.
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    01/30/09

    @Marya: I'm sorry if I am not making myself clear. I was quoting "disruptive" from an article and neglecting to explain the context. If you're super interested, send me a private message. It is many hours later and I don't have the article on hand.
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    01/29/09

    In reply to Father Who Named Son "Adolf Hitler" Speaks
    That guy reminds me of Dax Shepard's character in Idiocracy!
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    01/29/09

    @chatterboxwriting: "go away, 'batin!"
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    01/29/09

    In reply to Father Who Named Son "Adolf Hitler" Speaks
    What makes anyone think that the state is just waiting to swoop in and take the kids "because they can"? I think most caseworkers are pretty overloaded, and the emphasis has been to keep the kids with the family whenever possible. I think we'll learn more as time goes on, and we just don't have all the info now.
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    01/29/09

    @Rita_at_Goldivas: I was just thinking the same thing. Down here in Florida, the DCF is like the poster child for fucked up children's protection agencies, and for the most part, you have to be committing some seriously egregious abuse to have your kids taken away. I'm talking, like, passing out from drug abuse in the driver's seat of your car while your toddler is strapped in the back seat and shit. I'm hardpressed to see how such underfunded agencies would waste their time with something that could so easily be overturned.
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    Image of CarlinaZeikfried CarlinaZeikfried
    01/29/09

    In reply to Father Who Named Son "Adolf Hitler" Speaks
    Nothing nice to say about the parents, but they took those kids because they could. Nobody will defend the parents, so its a free shot basically. Hooray for Big Brother!
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    01/29/09

    @CarlinaZeikfried: Um...no, I'm gunna go ahead and disagree with ya on that one. I'm pretty sure that CPS has bigger things to worry about (like children being...ABUSED/NEGLECTED) then taking away some kids because their asshole parents gave them awful names.
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    01/29/09

    In reply to Father Who Named Son "Adolf Hitler" Speaks
    I call shenanigans on this one. I can only speak from the experience of living in California, but it takes quite a bit of red flags for the state to take kids away. I'm near positive there is something more than just the name situation. Though naming your kids Hitler & Aryan Nation is child abuse enough in my humble opinion. I am pretty sure the government has to be a bit more cautious with what they deem as child endangerment.
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    01/29/09

    @BraveLittleToaster: And on top of that, you have to file a bunch of reports and such within the first 24 hours that establish the states' interest in keeping the kids or they go back to the parents. So, yeah. Shenanigans.
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    Image of Dorotea Dorotea
    01/29/09

    In reply to Father Who Named Son "Adolf Hitler" Speaks
    The interviewer is actually african american...I'm surprised he didn't refuse to talk to her seeing as how he's a nazi.
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    01/29/09

    @Dorotea:


    White Supremacists are weird nowadays. A lot of them are pretty "accepting" of dealing with people of other ethnicities. They'll act civil in person, but once behind closed doors its all the MexiCANs', Heebs' and Niggers' fault they have shitty lives.

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    Image of Kenyakarma Kenyakarma
    01/29/09

    In reply to Father Who Named Son "Adolf Hitler" Speaks
    Knowing how hard it is to take kids away, I believe the state probably has good reason to do so. And the state is actually protecting the rights of the child not to tell the world why they did so.


    Imagine if you were that child and in 20 years people can google you (or whatever we have in 20 years) and find out your Dad was raping you and your Mom was burning you with cigerettes. A childs privacy is important.

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    01/29/09

    @SweetSerengeti: I'm really surprised by how few people realize this. It seems like common sense to me. But the immediate reaction is: YOU CAN'T TAKE KIDS B/C THEY HAVE DUMB NAMES!! THAT'S WRONG!!


    Um, guys? That's not what is happening here. Even money says the party violating the gag rule is doing so for their own benefit. Like lying about there being no abuse at his house. Or lying about abuse at the foster house. Or generally playing on your sympathies. C'mon folks, we're smarter than this!

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    Image of amowls amowls
    01/29/09

    In reply to Father Who Named Son "Adolf Hitler" Speaks
    Also you can't use the "well they seem really dumb" argument because THOUSANDS of dumb people have children and are allowed to keep them. LOOK AT SARAH PALIN.
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    01/29/09

    @amowls: She's a good example of the dumb names thing, too. (albeit not offensive, per se)
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    Image of NellMood NellMood
    01/29/09

    @amowls: Who is using that argument? I don't think anyone here has said the kids should be removed because the parents are dumb. We don't know the reasons that these kids were removed beyond their names, but stories like the landlord's make it seem like something was up.
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    01/29/09

    @amowls: But the names "Trig" or "Bristol" aren't names of someone who tried to wipe out entire races of human beings...not that I recall anyways...
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    01/29/09

    In reply to Father Who Named Son "Adolf Hitler" Speaks
    Since I am sure that the visit was monitored, there would have been a CPS case worker with them, so if any of what he is saying is true, then they would have filed a complaint immediately, and possibly have the children moved to another foster home.


    But I am in much doubt of this man's credibility, and frankly doubt that CPS violated the law by taking these children without cause just because their parents gave them despicable names. Perhaps that was what brought the attention of the state, but I imagine there's much more to this than we are aware.


    Not to say some good-intentioned person or group may have filed erroneous reports, counting on the idea that the names of the children must be indicative of much worse behavior or whatever, which could happen. Still, he is not the source of honest info in my eyes, but I have a real problem with white supremacists and that totally clouds my judgment, I admit.

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    Image of amowls amowls
    01/29/09

    In reply to Father Who Named Son "Adolf Hitler" Speaks
    This is beyond absurd.


    Yeah those names are dumb and offensive, but I don't see anyone taking away children from parents who name them Tayqueefalie or Nevaeh.

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    01/29/09

    @amowls: What's offensive about those names?
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    01/29/09

    @amowls:


    Huh?


    Does "Tayqueefalie or Nevaeh" really compare to Hitler and Aryan Nation?


    Making Sense, ur doing it wrong.

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    01/29/09

    In reply to Father Who Named Son "Adolf Hitler" Speaks
    *sigh* While I agree that these are two dipshits would a faulty view of world history, I do not think this automatically makes them bad parents. I'm sure a lot of people have older relatives who spout the exact same crap but they blow it off because A) they're old and B) 'that's just how things were back then.' Just because it was acceptable then didn't make it right, and I doubt every one of them were evil, degenerate parents. I think this is very much a case of NJ feeling some pressure, seeing that the parents look a little dirty/poor/whatever and thinking 'where there's smoke there's fire.' And now they're frantically running around trying to find something to cover their asses with, because if these kids were abused it would be all over the news by now. Nothing about NJ politics has ever been subtle .
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    01/29/09

    @battleaxonista: You make a good point. Reminds me of the comments all over jez during the election about people's terribly republican or racist family members. And yet, those Jezzies turned out okay; I guess the distasteful nature of those relatives beliefs didn't totally screw 'em up.
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    01/29/09

    @AuntieBee: Whoa, it's one thing to be Republican; it's another thing to think Adolph Hitler is the bee's knees. Let's not conflate the two.
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    01/29/09

    @whynotshesaid: ooh, I didn't mean to imply anything like that. Just sort of wanted to explore around this bit that battleaxonista said: "I'm sure a lot of people have older relatives who spout the exact same crap but they blow it off because A) they're old and B) 'that's just how things were back then.' Just because it was acceptable then didn't make it right, and I doubt every one of them were evil, degenerate parents."


    Reading that bit did, actually, remind me of those comments I saw during the election. That's really all I meant.

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    01/29/09

    @battleaxonista: I don't know if I am just biased, but given the parents bad decisions and their appearance, my guess is they are on drugs. I don't think the kids would have been pulled otherwise.
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