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    Image of LindsayJoy's MBP is into S+M LindsayJoy's MBP is into S+M
    12/21/09

    In reply to "Botax" Out, Tan Tax In
    I absolutely think this is 100% right.

    I've been in a tremendous amount of pain recently:

    I have severe TMJ (Jaw disorder if you don't know) which on its own creates a devastating effect, combined with a whip-lash ridden neck and there is not much you can do to stop the debilitating tension and migraine headaches.

    My teeth chip bits of others off, lash my tongue, its so awful. The pain is immobilizing.

    LUCKILY, I have a one of the most skilled doctors when it concerns botox,Dr. Fredrick Brandt, (yes he has a skin line) that I have known since I was a child and I had a huge amount of *strictly medical botox that was injected into the muscles in my jaw, into the sides of my head to my temporal muscles (all along the sides of my head, above the ear and farther back) and into my neck (the sides, the scalene muscles).

    Yet insurance does not recognize this and it likely would be taxed. That would be horrible. In-door tanning does SERIOUS damage and causes skin cancer, botox wears off after 4-6 months and cause very little long term damage to a micro-minuscule fraction of the population that receives it.

    The treatment I had was very pricey and necessary and WONDERFUL. Otherwise I would grind off all my own teeth. I've done damage to the back, but hopefully this will stop the front.

    If it is not recognized as medically necessary or a viable treatment by the American Medical Association it WILL BE taxed. It takes a long long time for a drug to be approved for a treatment of a condition.
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    Image of Zulkey Zulkey
    12/21/09

    In reply to "Botax" Out, Tan Tax In
    either way you prick or burn it, I'm not feeling too much pity for the taxpayers in these situations.
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    Image of Thus Spake KATE! Thus Spake KATE!
    12/21/09

    In reply to "Botax" Out, Tan Tax In
    As a woman, I have absolutely no problem with taxing elective plastic surgery.

    As a woman, I have a real problem with arguments against taxing elective plastic surgery as being discrimination against women. Really? Is that what we all do? Is that what we all want? Is elective plastic surgery so mainstream now that it is essential to womanhood?

    I know women who have had plastic surgery. That's fine, that is there choice. I've got other things to worry my pretty little head about (and worrying causes wrinkles!). But please do not insinuate that plastic surgery is a woman's health care issue.
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    Image of Lysergic Asset Lysergic Asset
    12/21/09

    @Thus Spake KATE!: Amen to that.
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    Image of boxspelunker boxspelunker
    12/21/09

    @Thus Spake KATE!: It bothers me especially because people act like only women get plastic surgery! Maybe it's just me, but I know a few men who have had calf implants, face work or hair plugs, and I wouldn't say they are that disproportionate to the women I know who have had work done.

    I'd like to see the actual proportion of men and women who have had work done, and a breakdown of ages, like a population pyramid.
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    Image of Squabble Squabble
    12/21/09

    @boxspelunker: It doesn't automatically sway me against the bo-tax, but women made up nearly 92% of the total cosmetic procedures last year, so there's no question the impact would be disproportionate. This site has comprehensive statistics by year that include gender and age distribution. It's actually pretty fascinating.

    [www.surgery.org]
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    12/21/09

    @Squabble: Thanks! That is really interesting. I wanted to know also what the procedures were. Do men tend toward fewer surgeries or more? Does the same person go in over and over for different procedures, or does it tend towards a one-time thing?

    GRAPHS I AM SO EXCITED
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    Image of icyblonde icyblonde
    12/21/09

    In reply to "Botax" Out, Tan Tax In
    There are some people who get botox for non-cosmetic reasons. Botox is a godsend for people who sweat excessively or people with migraines, for example.

    Indoor tanning is completely a luxury, and if done with light instead of spray/lotion, it's dangerous and has no benefits other than cosmetic ones. Thus, even if a tanning tax discriminates against women, I'm more okay with that than the botox tax.
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    Image of chatterboxwriting chatterboxwriting
    12/21/09

    @icyblonde: Botox is also used in the treatment of overactive bladder. They inject it into the bladder muscle to prevent those uncontrollable muscular contractions that result in urinary urgency and urine leakage.
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    Image of boxspelunker boxspelunker
    12/21/09

    @icyblonde: I had never heard that before! I wish that was also discussed in these sorts of issues. Maybe something like a medical waiver would suffice? If you have problems with migraines or sweating, maybe a doctor could write a prescription for Botox, like they do for tanning?
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    Image of PaintedTrollop PaintedTrollop
    12/21/09

    In reply to "Botax" Out, Tan Tax In
    I'm in favor of a 25% tax on penis pills, penis pumps, and penis implants.
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    Image of whats_in_a_name whats_in_a_name
    12/21/09

    @PaintedTrollop: No complaint from me.

    Also...penis implants? I think my penis just tried to turn itself inside out and become a vagina.
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    Image of crazy_lady crazy_lady
    12/21/09

    @PaintedTrollop: But, but, but - that hurts men AND women! Especially women!

    LOL.
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    Image of Lysergic Asset Lysergic Asset
    12/21/09

    @PaintedTrollop: Ahem... how's about taxing Viagra?
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    Image of boxspelunker boxspelunker
    12/21/09

    @Lysergic Asset: These are totally acceptable ideas to me.
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    Image of Bunsen Honeydew Bunsen Honeydew
    12/21/09

    In reply to "Botax" Out, Tan Tax In
    Slightly off topic, but regarding the picture, I don't know if it's the height difference but Snooki really is one of those people who is ageless. She could be that other girl's 13 year old kid sister, or she could be her mother. OR anything in between.
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    Image of Atomic Bowling Atomic Bowling
    12/21/09

    In reply to "Botax" Out, Tan Tax In
    Ok, first I must advise against against looking at the comments over on the article (yet I always do, why is that??).

    Second, I have kind of mixed feelings about this. I suspect it will still affect women disproportionately, but not nearly as much as a botox tax would've. Also, it is a known health risk, and unlike smoking it is not actually physically addictive so I think a "sin tax" on it might be more effective. Ultimately I just don't really like sin taxes, however, since the two end goals of reducing a particular behavior while also increasing tax revenue are contradictory, and realistically both can't be achieved simultaneously so one always falls by the wayside. And, of course, the one that falls by the wayside in 95% of situations is reducing the dangerous behavior.
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    Image of amowls amowls
    12/21/09

    In reply to "Botax" Out, Tan Tax In
    I have never ever seen a man at a tanning salon, but then again I live in VA where we're short on guidos.
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    Flackette Goes Retro promoted this comment amowls was starred amowls was unstarred
    Image of Flackette Goes Retro Flackette Goes Retro
    12/21/09

    @amowls: I live in Kentucky, and I do actually know a few men who go to tanning salons. I suspect I actually know several, but not all of them will admit it.
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    Image of Sgt.Hatred Sgt.Hatred
    12/21/09

    @amowls: I live across from Planet Beach, a tanning salon in Minnesota, and I see a disturbing amount of men going in and out.
    Also, it's MINNESOTA, everyone knows you assholes didn't get your tan on the beach, it looks unnatural when it's -20.
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    BabyJane promoted this comment Edited by Sgt.Hatred at 12/21/09 12:44 PM Sgt.Hatred was starred Sgt.Hatred was unstarred
    Image of Ipomoea Ipomoea
    12/21/09

    @amowls: I grew up in the sticks outside of Seattle, and I knew guys who went tanning (and this was 12+ years ago). Once I moved to the more affluent suburbs, it was pretty common for guys to go tanning, but now that I'm actually in the city, I don't know anyone who goes tanning. Tax the fuck out of it, I say. It's dangerous, and it's visually offensive to me. YOUR SKIN IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THAT COLOR.
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    Image of boxspelunker boxspelunker
    12/21/09

    @amowls: I'm curious: is "guido" the accepted term? It sounds like it should be a racial slur to me, but it's used in advertising! Is it an offensive term?
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    Image of amowls amowls
    12/21/09

    @boxspelunker: The only time I have heard people say it's offensive is by people who are not Italian and aren't familiar with the culture surrounding guidom and assume that it is. Like Snooki says, anyone can be a guido regardless of race. I use it to mean a specific kind of douche bag (one that over tans, over body builds and over spikes their hair).
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    Image of boxspelunker boxspelunker
    12:15 AM

    @amowls: Thank you! It sounds like a slur :D

    *twinkle* THE MORE YOU KNOOOOW
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    Image of Penny Penny
    12/21/09

    In reply to "Botax" Out, Tan Tax In
    I do think elective cosmetic surgery discriminates against women--after all, society all but requires us to remain youthful and beautiful.

    This makes more sense, not only because a lot of men tan, but because it's been proven to have an adverse impact on one's health. We tax smoking, and at least most smokers have the excuse of addiction.
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    Image of Questioning Everything Questioning Everything
    12/21/09

    @Penny: This one seems to be more like a sin tax.
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    Image of PaigeTurner PaigeTurner
    12/21/09

    In reply to "Botax" Out, Tan Tax In
    Finally, we'll see a natural palette of skin tones in the winter!
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    Image of Questioning Everything Questioning Everything
    12/21/09

    In reply to "Botax" Out, Tan Tax In
    Oh no! How will the Jersey Shore cast handle it?
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    Image of BabyJane BabyJane
    12/21/09

    @Questioning Everything: I heard that "The Situation" wasn't taking it well, and had to be sedated.
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    Image of PaintedTrollop PaintedTrollop
    12/21/09

    @BabyJane: Regis Philbin, Lou Dobbs, and John Boeher are starting a 527 to lobby against this.
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    Image of BabyJane BabyJane
    12/21/09

    @PaintedTrollop: I hope they remember to call George Hamilton.
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    Image of janusjana janusjana
    12/21/09

    @PaintedTrollop: If they call John Kerry, they'll have strong bipartisan power.
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    Image of PaintedTrollop PaintedTrollop
    12/21/09

    @janusjana: Oh, let's not forget the fashion lobby - headed up by Valentino.
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    Image of Sev Sev
    12/21/09

    In reply to "Botax" Out, Tan Tax In
    I wish he would have kept in the 5% tax on elective cosmetic procedures AND added a tan tax. Future reality show contestants probably hate me for saying that.

    Also - is it just me or do Snookie's shoes look a good two sizes too big for her in that picture?
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    femme-bot promoted this comment Edited by Sev at 12/21/09 12:35 PM Sev was starred Sev was unstarred
    Image of femme-bot femme-bot
    12/21/09

    @Sev: I agree. Keep both taxes. And raise income tax, while you're at it.
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    Image of pantsless economist...access RESTORED pantsless economist...access RESTORED
    12/21/09

    @Sev: Yeah they do but she's so short and look how little her feet are. It must be hard for her to find shoes.
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    Image of phantom lady phantom lady
    12/21/09

    @Sev: lots of cosmetic procedures are deemed "elective", like cleft palette, reconstructive breast surgery, fun little things like that. so I don't think there should be a tax, but its not just women who benefit from this.
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    Image of pikachugo pikachugo
    12/21/09

    @phantom lady: surgery for cleft palate is NOT elective. It's medically necessary, since cleft palate interferes with phonation, feeding, etc.
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    Image of CandyColoredFrown CandyColoredFrown
    12/21/09

    @pikachugo: I think phantom lady was referring to the way that insurance companies classify these surgeries. Necessary, or at the very least beneficial surgeries, are determined to be "elective" so that insurance companies don't have to shell out the money to pay for them.
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    phantom lady promoted this comment Edited by CandyColoredFrown at 12/21/09 1:14 PM CandyColoredFrown was starred CandyColoredFrown was unstarred
    Image of phantom lady phantom lady
    12/21/09

    @CandyColoredFrown: Thank you @pikachugo: what CandyColored said. I'm on hopped up on cold meds and probably shouldn't even be commenting today since I am a bit incoherent. But she summed up what I was trying to say.
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    Image of BearDownCBears BearDownCBears
    12/21/09

    In reply to Last Call for Health Care: Dems Reach 60 Votes
    Oh, so now we care abut health care costs? Interesting.
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    Image of sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell
    12/21/09

    In reply to Last Call for Health Care: Dems Reach 60 Votes
    Instead of only focusing on what this plan lacks, we should discuss constructive solutions to achieve a more inclusive option. Complaining about its inadequacies without recognizing the immense amount of progress this legislation represents, is shortsighted. By placing this issue in the appropriate context, its significance can be better understood. I think we should attempt to facilitate a dialogue which addresses the historical, political, and social aspects of this issue, as opposed to contributing to pessimist sentiments.
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    Image of Lysergic Asset Lysergic Asset
    12/21/09

    @sydbarrettsaves, emissary of hell: Beautifully and succinctly stated.
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    Image of bluebears bluebears
    12/21/09

    In reply to Last Call for Health Care: Dems Reach 60 Votes
    I was at a funeral mass this weekend, the deceased was a doctor and the priest went out of his way to note the many conversations he (priest) had had with the deceased where they expressed their passionate belief that all people deserve health care. It was nice.
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    Image of Her Grace: SNOWED IN Her Grace: SNOWED IN
    12/21/09

    @bluebears: I think that's why a lot of people want to be doctors--not all, but a significant portion. It's why I would like to be a doctor, partially. I'd like to do research medicine, but hope to be in a place where I can see people who need it pro bono not too long after I finish all of my training (at this point I'm looking for a 2013/14 med school entry). I think I'd rather eat packet soups so I can afford to make sure people get the help they need than buy fancy stuff.
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