This was all kinds of wrong. In bad taste and honestly, no model would have to play another race in a basic photo shoot. This is something I have really only seen on the show.
Tyra's narcism has fully replaced any morsel of common sense that was once up there. Jay's repeated WTF faces to her throughout the show were genius. I was intrigued that while all the girls were painted, she left Sundae's face au natural. Im just not sure how appropriate it is to continuously paint white girl's faces black under the guise of a modeling competition. #antmblackface
@ArtfulSlinger: Also, if these girls are ill informed about other races and cultures as most Americans are, why would it be so easy for an 18 year old to jump into the body of an Egyptian. It was like Tyra only wanted the most stereotypical - costumey pictures. #antmblackface
Maybe if the stick wasn't twice her height she wouldn't look 12. 12? Really? You just told a grown woman she looked like a 12 year old, but like a model 12?
Tyra, Tyra, Tyra. You act like an alien. But like a talk show alien. #antmblackface
This post reminds me of the time someone asked me if I was "mixed."
(I'm a yellow/tan-colored black person. Technically, I would argue that most American blacks are mixed race folks, but I digress.) I said, no, I'm just black. And then they go, "Are you sure?!," acting like I let them down. Apparently being just "black" isn't "exotic" or "interesting."
very quickly, not exactly related, I'm so happy Laura got Greece!! Just because I love her and I love getting to hear her talk about not knowing Greek people. #antmblackface
@notheretomakefriends: I thought the people from Greece were all either Pink Ladies or T Birds? It's Greece just a big nation of high school hooligans with blue doors? What? #antmblackface
Honestly, when they started talking about "sugar cane plantations" and "labour force" for a horrifying moment I thought they were going to do a slavery-themed shoot. I don't know if Hawaii actually had African slaves but I wouldn't put it past Tyra to mix it up with other islands. #antmblackface
@TallyCola: Hawaii was under US control for a long time and was mainly sugar can plantations. They did have black people working there, but it was most Asians (lots of Japanese) and Pacific Islanders. It wasn't exactly slavery as African Americans went through in the US, but there was a LOT of very shady stuff and racial discrimination thanks to the sugar plantations that controlled most of the islands. #antmblackface
@rikki-tikki-tavi: Actually, it was more than just sugar cane - it was also coffee and pineapple (HELLO DOLE COMPANY!). Labor came from all around the world - a lot of South Americans, surprisingly, and even from Portugal. You're right about the shady stuff though - plantation owners paid everyone a different wage based on their ethnicity and planted stereotypes in the other workers' heads about the type of people so they couldn't band together and overthrow the owners. They were paid such laughable wages they might as well have been slaves... #antmblackface
@Le Kangourou de Kataroo: I totally missed out on the coffee and pineapple part, thanks for the info.
What really interested me about the history of the plantations is how they used racial attitudes and developed them for capitalist gains. They started to import more workers from different areas once a population of any one or two races grew to a level in which they could create an effective union and make demands.
Really shows the importance of fighting against stereotypes and racial divides. The common worker benefits if we can see past race to create better working environments by uniting. #antmblackface
@rikki-tikki-tavi: The common worker benefits if we can see past race to create better working environments by uniting.
Fucking A! Remember this? (I actually voted for Hillary in the primaries, but I think that this is important in more than the primary sense. Also I love unions.) #antmblackface
@yvanehtnioj: This speech is fucking awesome, love seeing it again. He was trying to get people to vote for Obama in the general election not the primaries--the anecdote was just about someone being racist in the primary elections. #antmblackface
@sheenapunk: I vaguely remembered it being a general election speech, but only rewatched the first couple of minutes before posting, so I got confused. Thanks for clearing it up! #antmblackface
Tyra's antics notwithstanding, biracial really is the new black. Check out tv shows, ads, magazines, movies, etc. The lighter the better for American consumption. To bad Tyra (poorly) plays on this theme too. #antmblackface
@Ulookinatmyjunk, JOC: Though I see your point, I have to point out that being bi racial doesn't automatically make you light skinned, nor does being fully black make you automatically dark skinned. #antmblackface
@Taradactyl: I know. However, there is a certain "kind" of black/bi-racial person the public is comfortable with and that person is usually very light-skinned, long hair and more "European" features. Take Halle and Beyonce. Halle's bi-racial. Beyonce is not. Still, the aesthetics are strikingly similar. There are little to no darker-skinned people who get nearly the same recognition. I'm black so I know how the colors can go, but the truth of the matter is, no matter your genetic makeup, your odds of being recognized or celebrated by the media are in direct correlation with how much pigmentation you have. #antmblackface
The only way this shoot could have gotten more offensive is if Tyra had given Tiffany a tomahawk and a baby cow and said "The Native American in you wants to skin this cow but the Indian in you wants to respect it. Show me your inner conflict. But, don't forget to smize. A model is always selling something."
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I'm trying to be all Serious Face about this, but Tyra's stunts never fail to make me LOL. She seems to always have the best intentions, but lacks the nuance and self-awareness to come off as anything other than crazy. I wish I could quit you, Tyra! #antmblackface
not only was it ridiculous but did tyra think she was junior high hilarious with the biracial east indian/native american combo ... as in indian/indian. har har. #antmblackface
@pink_orchid_martini: Yeah, I wasn't really paying too much attention, but then the whole Indian/Indian thing happened. Gave me flashbacks of second grade when I forced my teacher to clarify what she meant when she said "Indian." Then at the end of the year, when I was leaving to go to India, a girl in my class asked if I was driving there. From Rochester, NY.
@labratintraining: I think it's somewhat age-appropriate "kids say the darndest things"-y for a second grader to think you can drive to India. #antmblackface
@yvanehtnioj: Oh, definitely. If someone my age asked me that now, I would be scared. It was just so weird to me because as a second grader, I took it for granted that I get to hop on a plane and fly off to India every year. #antmblackface
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From Wikipedia: In the Hawaiian language, hapa is defined as: portion, fragment, part, fraction, installment; to be partial, less. It is a loan from the English word half. However, in Hawaiian Pidgin (the creole spoken by many Hawai'i residents), hapa has an extended meaning of "half-caste" or "of mixed descent". Mary Pukui & Samuel Ebert's Hawaiian Dictionary define hapa as: "of mixed blood, person of mixed blood as in hapa hawai'i, part Hawaiian." [See: Pukui, Mary Kawena, and Samuel H. Ebert, Hawaiian Dictionary, Revised and enlarged edition, University of Hawaii Press, Honolulu HI, 1986] The word hapa has moved into mainland English.
Used without qualification, hapa is often taken to mean "part White", and is short hand for hapa haole. The term can be used in conjunction with other Hawaiian racial and ethnic descriptors to specify a particular racial or ethnic mixture.
I don't see how that doesn't apply to Obama. Wikipedia doesn't say it's derogatory, and I've never heard the term before, but it seems like it's just a Hawaiian term for biracial. #antmblackface
@toastandlove: Being from Hawaii, I'm very familiar with the term "hapa." It generally connotes a person who is half White and half something else. So someone might identify as hapa Chinese or hapa Samoan.
Also, such as, "hapa" is an adjective, not a noun. No one is *a* hapa, Tyra. I'm not sure if I should be offended by that but I know it bugs me. #antmblackface
@toastandlove: I have only ever heard it to refer to people who are half Asian and half something else (usually white). Perhaps wikipedia knows something I don't.
Also, ditto on the hapa = adjective, not noun comments. #antmblackface
@thesciencegirl: @toastandlove: In the Asian American community, I've commonly heard the phrase refer to anyone who's half Asian, not just half Hawaiian/half white.
But I figure with the way most non-English words are generally, loosely incorporated into the language, it wouldn't be unusual to see the definition extended to any biracial person. #antmblackface
@LowClassInk: @thesciencegirl: I would trust you ladies know more than I do, since I had never even heard the term before. I was just confused as to why we were headdesking at Tyra over the term when I looked at the definition. #antmblackface
I liked the "I don't know anything about Tibet, other than that we should free them" gem from Erin.
She was then told off in panel for not having asked them. But you just knew that if she had, she would have got a crap edit and been told off too. They can't win on this show against Tyra's weird passive aggression. #antmblackface
@Yaffle: Uh, yeah...cause Tyra is so informed and educated about Eastern culture and spirituality. That explains her and Jay's vague instructions to "Feel that Eastern spirituality" during the shoot, whatever the fuck that means. Tyra wouldn't know prayer beads from anal beads. #antmblackface
@Yaffle: Her answer was "I could have told you so many things about Tibet... like the Dalai Lama.. and mumble mumble mumble..." Yes Tyra. You are indeed an expert on Tibet. #antmblackface
@Atsumi: Except "the rituals" that they like there. I think that nugget of wisdom was from Mister Jay. I'm not sure what kind of rituals - perhaps he, too, was getting mixed up with the anal beads? #antmblackface
Oh man, you guys are expecting miracles of a woman who regularly produces the worst daytime talkshow interviews since those heady days of Jerry Springer in 1998. She has already done strange eating disorder photo shoots, hanging upside down, flying, horses, "plastic surgery," etc. The woman is fresh out of ideas and had to go back to the brown-facing. #antmblackface
Although the entire context of the shoot was icky beyond repair, some of the pictures were lovely. If only they were taken with actual girls of color as opposed to painting the white and asian girls (you notice that they did not appear to paint Sundai lighter to reflect Russian/Morrocan). I don't get why you would do this once, let alone three times. If you want to extreme makeup paint them green or blue or something and call them aliens. Oh and a Native American headress? No, just no.
Also, Tyra totally chose Malagasy so that she could show off that she knew what it meant. Shut Up Tyra. #antmblackface
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Tyra's narcism has fully replaced any morsel of common sense that was once up there. Jay's repeated WTF faces to her throughout the show were genius. I was intrigued that while all the girls were painted, she left Sundae's face au natural. Im just not sure how appropriate it is to continuously paint white girl's faces black under the guise of a modeling competition. #antmblackface
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Tyra, Tyra, Tyra. You act like an alien. But like a talk show alien. #antmblackface
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(I'm a yellow/tan-colored black person. Technically, I would argue that most American blacks are mixed race folks, but I digress.) I said, no, I'm just black. And then they go, "Are you sure?!," acting like I let them down. Apparently being just "black" isn't "exotic" or "interesting."
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The memories ANTM evoke. #antmblackface
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What really interested me about the history of the plantations is how they used racial attitudes and developed them for capitalist gains. They started to import more workers from different areas once a population of any one or two races grew to a level in which they could create an effective union and make demands.
Really shows the importance of fighting against stereotypes and racial divides. The common worker benefits if we can see past race to create better working environments by uniting. #antmblackface
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Fucking A! Remember this? (I actually voted for Hillary in the primaries, but I think that this is important in more than the primary sense. Also I love unions.) #antmblackface
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Selling crazy.
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You: Mommy, where do babies come from?
Tyra: Babies come from "what happens when men and women from different places come together." #antmblackface
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P.S. PM'ing you. #antmblackface
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From Wikipedia:
In the Hawaiian language, hapa is defined as: portion, fragment, part, fraction, installment; to be partial, less. It is a loan from the English word half. However, in Hawaiian Pidgin (the creole spoken by many Hawai'i residents), hapa has an extended meaning of "half-caste" or "of mixed descent". Mary Pukui & Samuel Ebert's Hawaiian Dictionary define hapa as: "of mixed blood, person of mixed blood as in hapa hawai'i, part Hawaiian." [See: Pukui, Mary Kawena, and Samuel H. Ebert, Hawaiian Dictionary, Revised and enlarged edition, University of Hawaii Press, Honolulu HI, 1986] The word hapa has moved into mainland English.
Used without qualification, hapa is often taken to mean "part White", and is short hand for hapa haole. The term can be used in conjunction with other Hawaiian racial and ethnic descriptors to specify a particular racial or ethnic mixture.
I don't see how that doesn't apply to Obama. Wikipedia doesn't say it's derogatory, and I've never heard the term before, but it seems like it's just a Hawaiian term for biracial. #antmblackface
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Also, such as, "hapa" is an adjective, not a noun. No one is *a* hapa, Tyra. I'm not sure if I should be offended by that but I know it bugs me. #antmblackface
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Also, ditto on the hapa = adjective, not noun comments. #antmblackface
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But I figure with the way most non-English words are generally, loosely incorporated into the language, it wouldn't be unusual to see the definition extended to any biracial person. #antmblackface
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She was then told off in panel for not having asked them. But you just knew that if she had, she would have got a crap edit and been told off too. They can't win on this show against Tyra's weird passive aggression. #antmblackface
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this. this is what makes you awesome #antmblackface
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I'm kind of feeling like that's how TyTy got to some of the conclusions she got to, so you shouldn't have any problems. #antmblackface
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Also, Tyra totally chose Malagasy so that she could show off that she knew what it meant. Shut Up Tyra. #antmblackface
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