Oh, boy. I gotta weigh in on this, 'cause I can speak to both sides of this debate. Apologies in advance; this will probably be long.
I had something of a girl crush on Gwyneth when she was new on the scene in '96. She'd been really good in stuff like Flesh and Bone, Seven, and Hard Eight, she had terrific style, she had a kind of unapologetic intelligence and presence that I thought of as "that women's college thing" (girls' school thing, whatever, same difference), and in spite of the animosity that was already building toward her it was pretty clear that she was actually a nice person. She clinched it for me by doing justice to my fave Jane Austen novel in Emma, which remains the movie I've seen the most times during its theatrical run (though that was also down to Jeremy Northam and the rest of the excellent cast).
A few years after her Oscar win, though, I began to feel disappointed with what you might call the Weinsteinification of her career: movie choices that were adventurous within a mainstream context, but not otherwise, and that never quite lived up to their potential. Harvey Weinstein made her, got her the Oscar (in retrospect, "bought" does not seem too strong a word), and eventually broke her by tethering her to that Miramax aesthetic, but it's pretty clear by now that that aesthetic represents her own tastes as well. With all the resources she already had at her disposal, she really didn't need Hollywood, and she could have done almost anything with her career, taken all sorts of chances. She could have been Samantha Morton or Emily Watson, an actor's actor - she really is that talented, believe it or not. Still, I didn't hate her for this failure, and continued to defend her to my Gwynnie-bashing friends well after most people considered this stance untenable.
You know what finally put me in the anti-Gwyneth camp? "Apple." That curse of a name she gave her firstborn was an unprecedented and definitive lapse in judgment, proof positive that she had ceased to be a regular citizen and now lived in the celebrity bubble where people are protected from the consequences of their own pretentious, ludicrous choices. What was she thinking? "Apple" is a child's name (actually, it's not a name for a human being of any age, but let that pass), but that girl will be a grown woman one day; she'll try to find work, she'll have sex. Through all of this, she'll be known as "Apple." ("Moses," while it still suggests the ego and attempted specialness of so many celebrity baby names, is close enough to normalcy that I'll give it a pass.)
GOOP and the many grating statements Gwyneth has made in connection with it are just more emissions from that protected celebrity bubble she lives in nowadays; I'm no longer surprised to hear this sort of b.s. coming from her direction. Still, she's human, and it sounds as if all may not be well in her world lately. Lainey, whose gossip blog is getting deserved love upthread, has a theory that GOOP is Gwyneth's response to crisis: rumored marital problems, career decline (Iron Man aside), the fact that even her genetically superior body is starting to show signs of fallibility. She's invested a lot in GOOP emotionally, perhaps; hence her brittle, defensive reactions to all the criticism.
Gwyneth, I can't get with you any more; you set my bullshit detector off too much. Still, I have no truly haterish hate for you. If you can manage it, just try to check yourself before you wreck yourself.
/novel. Ah, it's so late, no one's going to read this anyway!
i think the key to why people hate her is the same key as to why people hate folks born of privilege who loudly live in oblivion about their fortunate circumstances.
it's annoying to read about people who go blindly through life with no adversity, no constant struggle, no hurdle to jump that isn't 5 millieters high, and then read those same people wax philosophic about their circumstances as if that is normal for everyone.
Gwyneth wins, y'all. In the midst of all kinds of economic hell breaking loose and people having to realize that they can't do what they've wanted to do professionally and live---
she wins.
The means may not be pretty but she did it.
Intact family life.
Career that can support her and her family many times over.
Ability to start new projects without worrying where the money is coming from.
Self preservation skills to face onslaught of rage.
She has achieved the success that she set out to do. Even if she never makes another movie, she will have money from Iron Man that will keep her rolling in GOOP for a lifetime.
This is what first world success story looks like.
I say she's mastered the game to achieve her goals and maybe everyone needs to do the same for themselves instead of worrying about her being a spoiled oblivious patronizing princess.
@J.D.Regent: And be ridiculously good looking. It reminds me of that fabulous satirical New Yorker piece with the message that everyone is beautiful on the inside, as long as they are also extremely attractive on the outside!
I don't really think it's fair to attack the woman for failing to be likable. "I can't pretend to be someone who makes $25,000 a year" Doesn't seem all that snotty to me just honest. She's rich and well known and hangs out with other people who are the same, eehh. I for one don't want to hang out with her, but I also think it's uncool to gang up on her for not being "nice" or "sweet".
I agree with those who said she came off as sweet and charming on the PBS Spain series. Yes, it was pretty ideal circumstances, and yes, it might be easy to come off as sweet next to Mario Batali's colossal ego, but still she won me over on that show. [www.spainontheroadagain.com]
@LucilleTwo: I like to to think it was because she was with people she was comfortable with. Plus, I liked how she actually spoke Spanish to the people there instead of relying on a translator. I also liked that she would leave and visit her family because she didn't want to be gone for a long time.
@dblgoldens: I really need someone to define this term for me because I don't get it. Also, isn't half the fun of celebrity hating them? It's not a tea party, it's the internets!
@J.D.Regent: Yeah, the girl-on-girl thing doesn't mean we have to support everything every woman has ever done, all I CHOOSE MY CHOICE-y.
As far as I can see, most people are giving valid reasons for disliking her, not "Ugh I totally hate that exact shade of blonde" and "Like, if she was an inch shorter, she'd totally be fine" or "EWWW she has EARLOBES".
We're allowed criticise behaviour; that's not girl-on-girl crime.
As a New Yorker, and a proud Brookylnite, this is EXACTLY the sort of person who i hate when they invade my city. firstly she got where she is largely on the basis of her parents prvoviding her the in. then, once she becomes famous, she wants so badly to be a Serious Actress~! that her occasioanl forays into comedy seem better than they were. But, mainly, it's that she has always struck me as entitled.
So.... I'm on Team Anna. And if she asks..... I'll make Team Anna brownies.
Nighthawk (the former Okori Wadsworth) is headed back to DGUSA in November! was starred
Nighthawk (the former Okori Wadsworth) is headed back to DGUSA in November! was unstarred
Theory: Gwyneth and the NY Times are doing it on PURPOSE to make us all feel good about being Poors. We're given a target at which to hurl our puny and impotent rage: wealthy and clueless people with a sense of entitlement. Who here wasn't livid at the executives who were complaining that $500,000 isn't enough to live on? Who here isn't livid when Paltrow declares that our feeble, poverty-stricken lives are awful and all we need to do is eat some organic confit of endive?
It's finely a calculated Two Minutes' Hate, in which we're shown the things that we revile the most (rich, clueless people who shit on us and our coupon-clipping, Ikea-shopping ways) and then we're given the opportunity to shout about how terrible it all is.
Or, y'know, she could really and honestly be that tone-deaf.
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I had something of a girl crush on Gwyneth when she was new on the scene in '96. She'd been really good in stuff like Flesh and Bone, Seven, and Hard Eight, she had terrific style, she had a kind of unapologetic intelligence and presence that I thought of as "that women's college thing" (girls' school thing, whatever, same difference), and in spite of the animosity that was already building toward her it was pretty clear that she was actually a nice person. She clinched it for me by doing justice to my fave Jane Austen novel in Emma, which remains the movie I've seen the most times during its theatrical run (though that was also down to Jeremy Northam and the rest of the excellent cast).
A few years after her Oscar win, though, I began to feel disappointed with what you might call the Weinsteinification of her career: movie choices that were adventurous within a mainstream context, but not otherwise, and that never quite lived up to their potential. Harvey Weinstein made her, got her the Oscar (in retrospect, "bought" does not seem too strong a word), and eventually broke her by tethering her to that Miramax aesthetic, but it's pretty clear by now that that aesthetic represents her own tastes as well. With all the resources she already had at her disposal, she really didn't need Hollywood, and she could have done almost anything with her career, taken all sorts of chances. She could have been Samantha Morton or Emily Watson, an actor's actor - she really is that talented, believe it or not. Still, I didn't hate her for this failure, and continued to defend her to my Gwynnie-bashing friends well after most people considered this stance untenable.
You know what finally put me in the anti-Gwyneth camp? "Apple." That curse of a name she gave her firstborn was an unprecedented and definitive lapse in judgment, proof positive that she had ceased to be a regular citizen and now lived in the celebrity bubble where people are protected from the consequences of their own pretentious, ludicrous choices. What was she thinking? "Apple" is a child's name (actually, it's not a name for a human being of any age, but let that pass), but that girl will be a grown woman one day; she'll try to find work, she'll have sex. Through all of this, she'll be known as "Apple." ("Moses," while it still suggests the ego and attempted specialness of so many celebrity baby names, is close enough to normalcy that I'll give it a pass.)
GOOP and the many grating statements Gwyneth has made in connection with it are just more emissions from that protected celebrity bubble she lives in nowadays; I'm no longer surprised to hear this sort of b.s. coming from her direction. Still, she's human, and it sounds as if all may not be well in her world lately. Lainey, whose gossip blog is getting deserved love upthread, has a theory that GOOP is Gwyneth's response to crisis: rumored marital problems, career decline (Iron Man aside), the fact that even her genetically superior body is starting to show signs of fallibility. She's invested a lot in GOOP emotionally, perhaps; hence her brittle, defensive reactions to all the criticism.
Gwyneth, I can't get with you any more; you set my bullshit detector off too much. Still, I have no truly haterish hate for you. If you can manage it, just try to check yourself before you wreck yourself.
/novel. Ah, it's so late, no one's going to read this anyway!
02/09/09
b) I think she's a smug twat. Sorry. I did like her in Proof though.
02/09/09
Screw her, forever and ever.
02/09/09
it's annoying to read about people who go blindly through life with no adversity, no constant struggle, no hurdle to jump that isn't 5 millieters high, and then read those same people wax philosophic about their circumstances as if that is normal for everyone.
02/09/09
she wins.
The means may not be pretty but she did it.
Intact family life.
Career that can support her and her family many times over.
Ability to start new projects without worrying where the money is coming from.
Self preservation skills to face onslaught of rage.
She has achieved the success that she set out to do. Even if she never makes another movie, she will have money from Iron Man that will keep her rolling in GOOP for a lifetime.
This is what first world success story looks like.
I say she's mastered the game to achieve her goals and maybe everyone needs to do the same for themselves instead of worrying about her being a spoiled oblivious patronizing princess.
It works for her -- is that so wrong?
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The fact remains who gets hurt by her approach to life.
Instead of being enraged, maybe there are lessons for people who need to pursue their goals with the same intensity.
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As far as I can see, most people are giving valid reasons for disliking her, not "Ugh I totally hate that exact shade of blonde" and "Like, if she was an inch shorter, she'd totally be fine" or "EWWW she has EARLOBES".
We're allowed criticise behaviour; that's not girl-on-girl crime.
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So.... I'm on Team Anna. And if she asks..... I'll make Team Anna brownies.
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It's finely a calculated Two Minutes' Hate, in which we're shown the things that we revile the most (rich, clueless people who shit on us and our coupon-clipping, Ikea-shopping ways) and then we're given the opportunity to shout about how terrible it all is.
Or, y'know, she could really and honestly be that tone-deaf.