My little sister is a tall, athletic 13 year old. In Halloween costumes, she was having trouble fitting into the Women's large sizes because they were so tight and short. Everything was up above her crotch. Anyway, we came up with an elegant solution. She got a homecoming dress from Marshalls. We're going to shred it and she'll go as a Zombie Prom Queen. :)
When I was 10 I went as a French Maid. The costume involved a short skirt and fishnets. I was not trying to be slutty, and I did not get hit on by pedophiles. The costume was leftover from a dance recital the previous year. So if Halloween costumes are slutifying young girls, then so are dance recital costumes. Jesus, lighten up Jezebel. If the little girls start dressing up as Playboy Bunnies, then I'll be concerned.
@Cherry Blossom Girl: They have those, actually. The costumes for teens and preteens have become increasingly sexualized over the years, just like actual clothing for those age groups has. It's not really an overreaction.
Am I the only one totally not disturbed by the Halloween thing? Dude, it's what you DO. It's the slut rule (see: Mean Girls)--Halloween is the day you can dress the way you normally wouldn't dare and no one can say anything about it. Putting on a pair of fishnets does not mean that a middle school girl is suddenly transformed into a dirty slutbag.
(I remember in middle school I dressed as Sailor Mercury. Mostly I remember it as being awesome because I got to dye my hair blue, but those skirts be SHORT, yo!)
@Helen Valentine: Well, no one is saying any girl is actually a "slut" if she dresses in any of these costumes. The quote is misleading, but it's mostly just pointing out that some of the costumes are weirdly provocative. What we're talking about is the trend. Costumes and fashion for teens and preteens is becoming more sexualized.
What concerns me isn't preteens or teens dressing up "sexy" if they want to. That is an element of growing up. But when we're talking about things being marketed and targeted at that age group with that in mind, then it's a little different. That's part of the cultural sexualization of girls and I do think that's important. How many girls are dressing up that way because they want to, think they have to, or don't have many other options?
Mean Girls was also trying to point out the problem with that phenomenon, not just say, whatever, who cares.
@Helen Valentine: I'm actually not disturbed by that either (I was a very skimpily dressed bat girl at 12), but by the article that implies pedophiles attack girls because they are dressed a certain way, not because they are predators.
The sexy Halloween trend isn't just threatening the preteens. It's coming for your pets. At some point Playboy decided to expand their costume line to offer sultry ways to humiliate your dog by dressing him up as a Hugh Hefner wannabee and her up as a French maid. Because nothing says cool like pretending your neutered male pooch is a playa.
*sigh* I hate Halloween. I still have flashbacks to the time in highschool I went as a milk carton and I was the only girl not all tarted up.
Poor nerdy 4th Graders. Their horror is starting earlier.
edit: This year, I'm going as a punkrock panada; docs, shapless black dress, hoodie with felt to make it all panda, face paint, and maybe ears. I'll be warm and cool. I learned my lesson.
What I really resent is extending the "If you go out like that you're GOING TO GET RAPED" to goddamn fifth-graders, which is what the Roman Polanski reference seems to be getting at. Don't dress like a grown-up fairy or some old dude is going to sexually assault you! It's never too young to live in fear!
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@purpleshoes reminds everyone to take typing breaks and stretch, ow: Even though it's the Daily Fail, I take it more that...these costumes do seem to be made to be provocative...and it's kind of weird to think that they're targeting preteens with that kind of stuff. With a very adult version of "sexy".
It doesn't make anyone who wears it a slut, or "asking" for assault, of course. But there is a creepy trend here.
@tiredfairy: Oh, I'm not saying that they're appropriate clothing - precisely because they imitate adult Sexy Whatever costumes - just that insinuating that the next step will be sexual predation, because a ten-year-old girl is leaving the house with their knees exposed, is jumping right into preemptive victim-blaming. I mean, I used to dress as ridiculous, childlike things at that age - a bag of jelly beans, a pumpkin, an astronaut, you know - and I'm sad on all levels that girls are being taught to have this relationship with their bodies that young. But having a relationship with your body of "some day I'm going to be super-hot and probably kiss a boy with tongue" is still a more positive take-home message then "my body will be targeted with violence if I am not very careful". That's a ghastly body politic and one that can wait.
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One thing I've noticed about kids costumes is that at some point in the past, they were just cute (sans fishnets and sexyface). Not to blame porn but...porn kinda did it. Knee high stockings were at one point just standard with school uniforms, etc. And now they are in porn. We've taken kids costumes, put them on adults and made them sexy.
I remember short dresses as a kid, but they were just cute. Once you've seen it in porn, you just can't look at it the same way again. No problem with porn, just stopping putting kidesque things in it. And Halloween? Stop putting porn in kids costumes. You're not innocent either. Don't make me get my sexy teacher costume (complete with leather strap).
@RosemaryF: Teachers too. I constantly get the hot teacher crap. And guys have asked if I'd ever consider sleeping with my students. As if teenage boys are a)attractive to me in anyway, or b) I'm a potential child abuser who has little consideration for the respect of my students or jail time.
Nurses? Do you get the hot, slutty nurse thing?
@RosemaryF: Oh god, bar AND Librarian. Next time you say you're a librarian, make sure you do a over the top hair flip. And your glasses need a chain, that's also sexy in porn...I think.
I'm going into art history...there's no such thing as a sexy historian yet is there? Maybe that will be my costume this year...
But where are 5th graders getting the money for these costumes? So their parents are fine with sexualizing their (probably) pre-pubescent child? Well, then what can we do? It seems like when I was a kid, Halloween was about being scary things or wearing really elaborate costumes (juice boxes, rocket ships, and robots). Where did this come from? Or maybe I just didn't notice?
@KiddyKat: Buuuuuuut according to Mean Girls it is the one day of the year where a girl can dress like a total slut and not get any crap for it, so therefore we MUST buy into it.
I'm thinking of going as the slutty bag of popcorn this Slutoween.
This isn't really new. In the 4th grade just about all of us girls in my class dressed up as hookers, and told our moms we were going as "The Misfits" from Jem. It's a bit disconcerting to actually see the prepackaged trampy looking costumes aimed at little girls, but it does make sense. The market's been there for a looong time.
@MeganGlass 就是一个å¤ä»£ç„ä¸‰æ˜æ²»: Aw man. In fourth grade, I'm pretty sure I went as Belle, with the sex-ay addition of a turtleneck under my big, peach, satin sleeveless gown. No wonder I was never cool.
@SqueakyGasket: I was Jasmine from Aladdin...with a purple turtleneck, the Cat in the Hat...with a black turtleneck, a french chef...with a white turtleneck. Another year, another turtleneck.
@MeganGlass 就是一个å¤ä»£ç„ä¸‰æ˜æ²»: Haha, I dressed as a hooker in the 5th or 6th grade. My mom was HORRIFIED, so I lied and told her I was going as an 80s girl. Why did you believe me, Mom? Bizarre. Now, I dress like a hobo crossed with a 12-year-old boy, so I guess I made it out all right? Or is that worse?
Poor Arnie can't win. He signs the Milk law and the conservatives call him a liberal. He thinks he is honoring the gay community and they lambaste him for not making marriage legal again. Dude can't catch a break.
my bf and i stopped in pop up halloween store, and lo and behold, all the slutty adult outfits were also available on the teen side as well. it's sick. i hope parents catch on and cut that shit out.
@boobalore: Honestly it's trickled all the way down to the toddler aisle. I was trying to find my daughter a costume and each one had a short skirt with no sleeves. You can dress your 2 year old as a sexy cat, sexy princess, sexy witch, and even a sexy flammable angel. Little girls are limited to skirted Halloween costumes or a pumpkin from the boy's costume aisle. It's sick.
@Maritsa: Thanks for the suggestion. I may have to make the costume though. My son suggested that she should be a volcano and he's pretty adamant about it, so I see paper mache in my future. At least it's not a skirt!
@GirlFailer: Sounds like an awesome costume for a kid! My three year old is obsessed with Spongebob, so that's what he'll be. I'm trying to figure out how to make the baby in Patrick.
This makes total sense. Preteen girls have to learn how to choose between sexy kitten and sexy witch costumes. The earlier they master that skill, the better off they'll be.
@Maritsa: except leap years, which are wildcard years, and the choice is sexy nurse, angel, or the "dumpy" costume for the year.
(Personally, I thought last year's toilet costume was way better than the nurse and angel she was with. The lid opened up to reveal her candy bag!! Drawing the short straw got her an extra bag of chips and tons of praise from this guy. )
Until now, most of the revelers in these trampy getups have been above the age of consent. This year, in a growing trend that is truly scary, fifth-graders are encouraged to dress like cheap hookers.
Okay, as much as I hate sexyslutty costumes on the underaged, the handwringing in that NY Times article is absolutely absurd. For one thing, these costumes have been available for the last 5 years at least, but they're framing it like "OH HOLY SHIT LOOK AT WHAT JUST HAPPENED, YOU GUYS!!" There are articles like this every year bemoaning the slutty children's costumes and yet the damn things still sell, apparently.
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(I remember in middle school I dressed as Sailor Mercury. Mostly I remember it as being awesome because I got to dye my hair blue, but those skirts be SHORT, yo!)
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What concerns me isn't preteens or teens dressing up "sexy" if they want to. That is an element of growing up. But when we're talking about things being marketed and targeted at that age group with that in mind, then it's a little different. That's part of the cultural sexualization of girls and I do think that's important. How many girls are dressing up that way because they want to, think they have to, or don't have many other options?
Mean Girls was also trying to point out the problem with that phenomenon, not just say, whatever, who cares.
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Poor nerdy 4th Graders. Their horror is starting earlier.
edit: This year, I'm going as a punkrock panada; docs, shapless black dress, hoodie with felt to make it all panda, face paint, and maybe ears. I'll be warm and cool. I learned my lesson.
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It doesn't make anyone who wears it a slut, or "asking" for assault, of course. But there is a creepy trend here.
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I remember short dresses as a kid, but they were just cute. Once you've seen it in porn, you just can't look at it the same way again. No problem with porn, just stopping putting kidesque things in it. And Halloween? Stop putting porn in kids costumes. You're not innocent either. Don't make me get my sexy teacher costume (complete with leather strap).
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Porn changed the image of the women in my profession from frigid old women to repressed nyphos.
And everyone knows, if they've made two porn movies about it, it's totally true.
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Nurses? Do you get the hot, slutty nurse thing?
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I'm going into art history...there's no such thing as a sexy historian yet is there? Maybe that will be my costume this year...
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I'm thinking of going as the slutty bag of popcorn this Slutoween.
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(Personally, I thought last year's toilet costume was way better than the nurse and angel she was with. The lid opened up to reveal her candy bag!! Drawing the short straw got her an extra bag of chips and tons of praise from this guy. )
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Okay, as much as I hate sexyslutty costumes on the underaged, the handwringing in that NY Times article is absolutely absurd. For one thing, these costumes have been available for the last 5 years at least, but they're framing it like "OH HOLY SHIT LOOK AT WHAT JUST HAPPENED, YOU GUYS!!" There are articles like this every year bemoaning the slutty children's costumes and yet the damn things still sell, apparently.
I'm just annoyed by the factual errors.