Oh sure, when you're pulling off harem pants it's "daring" and "confident", but wear one Snuggie while running some errands and suddenly you're "lazy" and "a slob". #hammerpants
I love cute tent dresses and baggy pants, and people always tell me it's a 'shame' I wear them because I look 'much slimmer' with tight clothes. Who cares? I know what my body looks like, I don't feel the need to wear body conscious clothes. As for harem pants: I actually like them (when not too voluminous) and I bought a pair last week with tiny black sequins, which look absolutely fab with a simple white tee and a black jacket. Yes, shudder in horror what you will, but I think I look cool. #hammerpants
I think he is confusing "antifashion" with "anti dressing for men."
I think it's awesome when women wear what they like--because it's defying the idea that women have to dress in a way that is figure revealing and pleasing to men. There's a time & a place, sure, but if I wanna wear something ugly that's not tight as shit on my ass because I like it, so be it, sad little creepos! #hammerpants
Hipsters are annoying, because they only do things to be ironic. Which means they believe that the thing they're co-opting is so obviously & unmistakably illegitimate that no one would take it seriously, and if someone sincerely likes it, they should be ashamed of it, or never admit it.
On the other hand, I think that doing something just because it's interesting or challenging when it's isn't something you like or automatically identify with is super cool. It can either give you context to understand the reasons why you like some of the things you do, because whatever you got out of them will be missing, or it can help you realize that those things acted as a security blanket that you don't need, because you're still just as cool/sexy/interesting without them.
And I am fully behind doing things just to get reactions out of people. As long as you don't end up being cruel, and use the fact that it's fake as an excuse, like Punk'd usually does. People will probably laugh and forgive you, but some of them will only do it because they've already been made to look silly and would look even sillier if they didn't.
Andy Kaufman did it perfectly. He forced you to react to things that most people would have given you a pass on, and how you treated him said everything about what kind of person you were. By the time he got to his wrestling phase, if you seriously believed he was misogynistic, it probably meant that you had no capacity for humor or self reflection.
Fashion is made up of two seperate worlds, and when someone says "fashion is my life", until I know which one they're talking about I don't know whether to feel sorry for them for having such a superficial life or to fist bump and tell them they're awesome. Fashion is either the science & business of trying to look good according to current standards based mostly in class, or using physical appearance & presence in the world to bring those standards to light and force an acceptance of individuality and creativity. The form the second takes sometimes becomes the new first, and sometimes it doesn't. We usually decide that we like something for one of two reasons; it symbolizes & affirms a quality that benefits us somehow (a suit says you are authoritative and capable, a t-shirt with a cultural reference says you're a part of that culture), or it just appeals to us aesthetically. Deciding to like something that does neither breaks us out of that binary & changes the reach of both. It forces the people who see us to feel something authentic, because there is no automatic response for them to hide behind. Even if it doesn't lead to anything, it still creates a moment that is right now, not any other interchangeable moment.
I try really hard to never feel negatively about anything unless it is legitimately offensive. It's hard, but it's important, because those things will have the power to distract you & ruin your experience of things otherwise, and it's surprising how often my impulses end up being wrong. If there's something that I don't like, I try to figure out if it's because of my own insecurity, and what it symbolizes in terms of human qualities and social place. Sometimes I can't pinpoint what it is exactly that turns me off, but once I get rid of the context, usually it's because I think it's low quality or lazy. But I could always not understand it & be wrong. And even if I'm right, the best hope of whoever made it getting better is to allow them to keep working, without validating the same self doubt that is what leads to lazy art in the first place. If you tell someone they suck, then they usually just think you're an asshole. Or they try to give you something they think you'll like. Or they give up because they agree with you. If you don't ignore them but don't encourage them, they might try harder, and even if they never seem to improve, they're engaging in something creative.
The thing I have a really hard time with is when something threatens another idea's integrity. I can't be ok with that. Even if it's well intentioned. Like sequels to classic Disney movies, or any of the Rock Band/Guitar Hero/whatever games.
I always write too much... sorry guys... it's hard for me to be concise, I barely make sense already. :)
@prismatism: I really enjoyed reading your comment.
But we're talking about fucking harem pants here.
They are not interesting or new or aesthetically pleasing. It's so tongue-clickingly lazy for a designer to throw this into their collection. #hammerpants
We're talking about harem pants, but we're also talking about the people who actually wear them. Since most people find them so unambiguously unattractive, even offensive, that they sell at all is interesting. At least, I think it is. #hammerpants
I love harem pants and knickerbockers (and jumpsuits). Partly because I grew up in the 80s and was surrounded by such things, but partly because I'm not very confident in myself.
Wearing garments people see as edgy helps me fake confidence and if people laugh at me, I can blame the 'ugly' garment and tell myself they aren't really mocking me.
(Oh and those super low crotches make it feel like you're wearing your pyjamas all the time...) #hammerpants
I have the most ironic, anti-fashion fashion sense ever. While I have a good eye for what looks good, I willingly choose to let my urge to wear the tackiest shit ever take over, because I like it and couldn't care less if other people like it (though, in my experience, people generally enjoy it because nobody is ever audacious enough to wear the ridiculous shit that I throw together). It's just what I like wearing. And it's super cheap because I generally just find this stuff, or people give it to me, or I buy it from a thrift shop, or I make it. #hammerpants
Slight tangent: is fashion this season striking anyone else as just plain ... stupid and ugly? I can't find anything I like. I'm a fairly simple dresser, and I don't want shirts with bows and ruffles at the neck. Is dress for success back?
Plus, I have giant boobs, and ruffles down my chest simply don't look good. They look like a bird exploded and is bouncing in its final death rattle.
Or is it just a cry for attention? Wearing hammer pants will get you looks and start conversations, and for some people, the attention is well worth the risk of looking like an idiot.
Or, conversely, maybe it's a way of pushing people away. Is wearing hammer pants and saying, "You just don't understand" any different than putting on your iPod, and responding to questions about what you're listening to by saying, "You've probably never heard of them"?
Either way, to hammer pants wearers I say: You're no better than any of the rest of us. Have a cookie.
@rodmanstreet: There's nothing wrong with wanting attention. And there's nothing wrong with wanting to be left alone. I've dressed unconventionally for both of those reasons, and for neither, at different times. It doesn't necessarily mean you think you're better than anyone.
It's obnoxious to be an asshole, though, no matter which way you choose to do it... And if you're an asshole, you're just as much of an asshole no matter what you wear. #hammerpants
@rodmanstreet: In my early twenties, my best friend and I used to occasionally dress up in intentionally horrible outfits and go out for dinner and drinks, for the express reason of being left alone. We figured our garish color choices, mismatched patterns, and overall stupidity of the look would play into an interesting sociological study. And especially since we live in an extremely fashionable city (NYC), we were sure we would be shunned and could get drunk in peace.
We were wrong. I guess people (namely men) found us fun, confident, and weird because they would always try to chat us up. And in a way, it was the most fun way to meet people because we weren't trying to impress anyone, and the ones that noticed us in a positive way appreciated that, and at the very least had a sense of humor. I think the number one rule for fashion is to look comfortable no matter what skin you're in, and people will think you're stylish through you're confidence. Oh, and wear stuff that fits. #hammerpants
At the heart of fashion is proportions. Sure something can be a fabulous color or cut but if the proportions are off it just doesn't look right. It is usually our subconscious reaction to "off proportions" that makes us go "something about that is off". Harem pants are terrible in that respect, they elongate an area of the body that does not need to be elongated and shorten your legs which you always want to make look longer, they are inherently ill proportioned and therefore inherently bad fashion. #hammerpants
@milominderbinder: It seems to me that proportions are off all over the fashion world right now. Shoulders are too big, skirts are too short, tight pants are worn with shirts that are too baggy, etc etc. I have some mid-90s Liz Tilberis-era Harper's Bazaars I was looking at recently, and the proportions were much more flattering in those days. Boot-cut pants worn with a fitted top would be terribly unfashionable right now, but would certainly look more flattering on most people's bodies. #hammerpants
@bleedingmouths: But I think fashions (and thus, the silhouette du jour) change so rapidly that we have an opportunity to compare them. That's something that people in the past couldn't do.
Also, I think there are some constants in terms of silhouette, which you could label 'correct' in that they're more flattering to the human figure and align with fairly universal notions of physical beauty...like fashions that make legs look longer and waists look smaller than hips and shoulders. Though, maybe 'correct' isn't quite the right term. #hammerpants
@prismatism: Yes, but what you consider to be a universal truth has only been that way for a few years. Why are bodies beautiful? Which bodies? Could it be that fashions are created only for a certain kind of body, to flatter a certain kind of body? Could it be that there are other ways of 'flattering' the body? Like I said in a different comment, I like drop crotch trousers because I think they are fun and stylish but I also think that they could be considered flattering, in your terms. I have a large chest and they even out my 'proportions'. Yet, by your argument, they shouldn't, because for the last few year these shapes have not been considered flattering. #hammerpants
I have hammer pants and harem pants, and I love them. But I have a long history of wearing strange garments. For me, it is about not reinforcing stereotypes of beauty. I find it to be a douchebag sensor as well. #hammerpants
I often like to wear ridiculous, ugly, or costume-like apparel, just for the fun of it. But, I never spend more than $10 on anything in that category. I would mock someone for spending $400 on ANY pair of pants #hammerpants
Harem pants make you look like you shat yourself. But then we are conditioned to like the clothes we like anyway, right? I mean fashion sense isn't some kind of evolutionary function. So basically, whatever. #hammerpants
@milominderbinder: I do not find my body beautiful and I have no wish to follow its curves and lines.
I am happy for fashion that obscures and hides, because that's one less battle I have to fight today. I don't really care so much if it's not flattering, as long as it's not revealing.
That probably explains why 90% of my wardrobe is cargo pants and zip-up hoodies. #hammerpants
@FizzyGood: My friend and I call them "poop pants". I have a pair that I love. I never wear them out - they are too comfortable as pajama pants. I enjoy having such breezy pants, but I think in public, they would just be awkward. #hammerpants
@boxspelunker: That's another thing, I can't even think about wearing cool-weather clothes right now, Munich is freezing. The only clothes that look good to me are woollen or thermal. #hammerpants
@FizzyGood: Ugh, I know! I live in North Dakota, in the US, and while it hasn't snowed yet... it will. It's November, which means we are just waiting for a dump :/
I am wearing those pants currently, as I just got up a little while ago. AWESOMMME #hammerpants
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Other people's opinions of them are irrelevant to me. #hammerpants
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I think it's awesome when women wear what they like--because it's defying the idea that women have to dress in a way that is figure revealing and pleasing to men. There's a time & a place, sure, but if I wanna wear something ugly that's not tight as shit on my ass because I like it, so be it, sad little creepos! #hammerpants
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On the other hand, I think that doing something just because it's interesting or challenging when it's isn't something you like or automatically identify with is super cool. It can either give you context to understand the reasons why you like some of the things you do, because whatever you got out of them will be missing, or it can help you realize that those things acted as a security blanket that you don't need, because you're still just as cool/sexy/interesting without them.
And I am fully behind doing things just to get reactions out of people. As long as you don't end up being cruel, and use the fact that it's fake as an excuse, like Punk'd usually does. People will probably laugh and forgive you, but some of them will only do it because they've already been made to look silly and would look even sillier if they didn't.
Andy Kaufman did it perfectly. He forced you to react to things that most people would have given you a pass on, and how you treated him said everything about what kind of person you were. By the time he got to his wrestling phase, if you seriously believed he was misogynistic, it probably meant that you had no capacity for humor or self reflection.
Fashion is made up of two seperate worlds, and when someone says "fashion is my life", until I know which one they're talking about I don't know whether to feel sorry for them for having such a superficial life or to fist bump and tell them they're awesome. Fashion is either the science & business of trying to look good according to current standards based mostly in class, or using physical appearance & presence in the world to bring those standards to light and force an acceptance of individuality and creativity. The form the second takes sometimes becomes the new first, and sometimes it doesn't. We usually decide that we like something for one of two reasons; it symbolizes & affirms a quality that benefits us somehow (a suit says you are authoritative and capable, a t-shirt with a cultural reference says you're a part of that culture), or it just appeals to us aesthetically. Deciding to like something that does neither breaks us out of that binary & changes the reach of both. It forces the people who see us to feel something authentic, because there is no automatic response for them to hide behind. Even if it doesn't lead to anything, it still creates a moment that is right now, not any other interchangeable moment.
I try really hard to never feel negatively about anything unless it is legitimately offensive. It's hard, but it's important, because those things will have the power to distract you & ruin your experience of things otherwise, and it's surprising how often my impulses end up being wrong. If there's something that I don't like, I try to figure out if it's because of my own insecurity, and what it symbolizes in terms of human qualities and social place. Sometimes I can't pinpoint what it is exactly that turns me off, but once I get rid of the context, usually it's because I think it's low quality or lazy. But I could always not understand it & be wrong. And even if I'm right, the best hope of whoever made it getting better is to allow them to keep working, without validating the same self doubt that is what leads to lazy art in the first place. If you tell someone they suck, then they usually just think you're an asshole. Or they try to give you something they think you'll like. Or they give up because they agree with you. If you don't ignore them but don't encourage them, they might try harder, and even if they never seem to improve, they're engaging in something creative.
The thing I have a really hard time with is when something threatens another idea's integrity. I can't be ok with that. Even if it's well intentioned. Like sequels to classic Disney movies, or any of the Rock Band/Guitar Hero/whatever games.
I always write too much... sorry guys... it's hard for me to be concise, I barely make sense already. :)
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Why would anyone wear clothes AT other people?
What a world/put the harem pants away/shut up, hipsters. #hammerpants
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But we're talking about fucking harem pants here.
They are not interesting or new or aesthetically pleasing. It's so tongue-clickingly lazy for a designer to throw this into their collection. #hammerpants
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We're talking about harem pants, but we're also talking about the people who actually wear them. Since most people find them so unambiguously unattractive, even offensive, that they sell at all is interesting. At least, I think it is. #hammerpants
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Wearing garments people see as edgy helps me fake confidence and if people laugh at me, I can blame the 'ugly' garment and tell myself they aren't really mocking me.
(Oh and those super low crotches make it feel like you're wearing your pyjamas all the time...) #hammerpants
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Plus, I have giant boobs, and ruffles down my chest simply don't look good. They look like a bird exploded and is bouncing in its final death rattle.
Hammerpants are just one symptom. #hammerpants
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Or, conversely, maybe it's a way of pushing people away. Is wearing hammer pants and saying, "You just don't understand" any different than putting on your iPod, and responding to questions about what you're listening to by saying, "You've probably never heard of them"?
Either way, to hammer pants wearers I say: You're no better than any of the rest of us. Have a cookie.
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It's obnoxious to be an asshole, though, no matter which way you choose to do it... And if you're an asshole, you're just as much of an asshole no matter what you wear. #hammerpants
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We were wrong. I guess people (namely men) found us fun, confident, and weird because they would always try to chat us up. And in a way, it was the most fun way to meet people because we weren't trying to impress anyone, and the ones that noticed us in a positive way appreciated that, and at the very least had a sense of humor. I think the number one rule for fashion is to look comfortable no matter what skin you're in, and people will think you're stylish through you're confidence. Oh, and wear stuff that fits. #hammerpants
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@KimberleeJean: #hammerpants
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Also, I think there are some constants in terms of silhouette, which you could label 'correct' in that they're more flattering to the human figure and align with fairly universal notions of physical beauty...like fashions that make legs look longer and waists look smaller than hips and shoulders. Though, maybe 'correct' isn't quite the right term. #hammerpants
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I am happy for fashion that obscures and hides, because that's one less battle I have to fight today. I don't really care so much if it's not flattering, as long as it's not revealing.
That probably explains why 90% of my wardrobe is cargo pants and zip-up hoodies. #hammerpants
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I am wearing those pants currently, as I just got up a little while ago. AWESOMMME #hammerpants
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Good job you're wearing your poop pants then! #hammerpants
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