Nick isn't so bad. I really liked avatar, lol I'm was only about decade older then the 8-12 age demographic, but oh god I was so surprised when avatar showed up. So well researched, it was like journey to the west all over again, IN ENGLISH! Lol, no need for videostore trips.
I was first exposed to iCarly about a month ago, while I was baby sitting my cousin's kids. I'm not sure which was worse: changing a poopy diaper on the crying toddler I had just bathed whose bottle was leaking milk everywhere or watching two episodes of iCarly. That evening was the moment this 38-year-old lady became truly comfortable with her decision not to have children.
The obliviousness of this guy astounds me: "Every kid thinks they're five minutes away and one lucky circumstance from being famous."
... BECAUSE OF TV. I feel bad for kids growing up in the celebreality generation, honestly. They're never going to feel like anything they accomplish is worthwhile until they have a perfume out and paparazzi following them around, and they're not going to devote themselves to accomplishing anything worthwhile anyway because none of their role models do.
Take Lindsay Lohan and Miley Cyrus, for example. Is one categorically better and more wholesome than the other? Probably. But at the end of the day both are just brands to stamp on products- bland, manufactured pop music, shitty movies, tv shows, whatever- and saturate popular culture with the notion that the only way to have everything is to do absolutely nothing.
@tobesthewonderdog: Fair enough. Interestingly didn't even occur to me that someone could be defending Lindsay Lohan's talent, as the only "acting" role I've actually seen her in was from "Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen"...
"Unless, of course, you're Heidi Montag and Spencer Pratt, who will never disappear, because the universe just likes to fuck with us sometimes."And that, Hortense, is reason number 45682 why I love you.
Oh interesting, I was just talking about this the other day. BBC is doing a series about finding the "best young" people in various jobs-- last week was butchers. The voiceover for the show explains that BBC is trying to find the unsung heroes of Britain. I thought it was incredibly cool, because it brings attention to some of the less glamorous (but still important) careers that kids these days aren't really considering. It doesn't try to make the people on the show famous, à la Big Brother or whatever, but it emphasizes that you can be a non-celebrity hairdresser, or be really proud of your knife skills.
I tried watching "Hannah Montana" one time just to see what all the hype was about. While--like Hortense--I'm not in the target demographic, I found it supremely annoying. Every line was over-delivered, with ridiculously exaggerated facial expressions and lots of eye rolling. If I had kids, I don't think I'd want them watching "Hannah Montana" because I certainly wouldn't want them running around acting like the kids on the show. If there's one thing kids love to do, it's imitate other kids!
@RipCurl: I assure you, just about EVERY Disney show is like that. The Suite Life, That's So Raven, Phil of the Future...ugh. It's just so hammy and slapsticky and BAD. Normally when things suck I laugh at them, but these shows are so bad that I can't even find it funny.
@SUNNY1: I will say, Wizards of Waverly Place isn't too bad. Yeah, it follows a typical 'Disney' format, but there is some actual humor on the show. One of the characters is a total smartass, and seems really amused by herself in a totally not taking herself too seriously way. I've found myself laughing at that show.
Another show on Disney that isn't too bad is actually a cartoon - Phineas and Ferb. It's freakin amusing as all hell.
@pinupgirl: Yeah, I actually watch and enjoy Wizards of Waverly Place, whilst hating everything else on Disney, because it's not as overacted as, say, Hannah Montana. And it's wise-assy, too, which is nice.
My brother, who is 20, not the target demographic for these shows nor does he watch them. Still falls prey to this "insta-celeb crap" Although his is with a desire to do writing and possible stunt work. While it is a far cry from a popstar he still thinks that it is perfectly acceptable to not have a back up plan! While I encourage dreaming big, I also feel that my mother as well as his friends and the rest of my family are doing him a huge
disservice by not telling him he has a 1 in 1000000 chance of being famous.
Gotta say, even as a venerable 24 year old, I really enjoy iCarly. She may be famous for having a web show, but she and her friends have more than enough time for hilarious hijinks.
It seems like kid and teen shows used to feature characters that were the epitome of normal...quirky, but pretty normal. Look at The Wonder Years, Clarissa, the kids on Full House, Boy Meets World, etc. (even Rory from Gilmore Girls, while super smart and more ambitious than your average teen girl, was not far fetched) and compare them to Gossip Girl, Hannah Montana, and every other show where the protagonists are either rich, famous, or both. Since kids are no longer able to relate to characters on account of their "every man" appeal, they must aspire to unrealistic goals in order to connect to the shows they watch.
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Don't these kids know that if you're famous you can't have any fun and make any stupid decisions anymore? Think about how you'd have lock down your facebook page! And proof read your tweets! And like, comb your hair before you leave your house. It would be SO LAME! SO LAME, YOU GUYS!
Being un-famous is SO MUCH BETTER because the world at large doesn't care who you hold hands with at recess or if you're getting kind of chubby for your Jordache jeans. And they don't care if you just eat cheetos for dinner. And they don't care if you post stupid photos online, or if you fail a test, or whatever.
The perks of non-fame are innumerable!
Kids today have no foresight about important things. Geez.
There's something about this that is so completely foreign to my nature. I don't understand the desire for fame, not even for money. As soon as people think they know you, they think they know your business. And then your life isn't your own. Who would want that? It's crazy talk.
@CubeRootOfPi: They seem never to notice that celebrities are always bitching about not being able to go out for milk without being accosted. Or that they need to hire people to make sure they aren't injured or killed by crazed fans. Or that everything they do is publicized--half the time with the publication's interpretation of what it means.
I suppose like so many things that kids want, it's something that seems more desirable until you have it.
Sigh. I miss all the Nickelodeon shows of my youth-- Clarissa Explains It All, Pete and Pete, Salute Your Shorts, You Can't Do That on Television, Roundhouse, Out of Control, etc.
@Sputnik_Sweetheart: I liked how the old Nickelodean shows featured child/teen actors who looked like ordinary kids. Some were average-looking, some were pretty, but most looked normal, like people you'd know. On recent Nick and Disney shows, the kids have this perfect child-star look to them, that you can't imagine them as normal kids but belonging to an entertainment world and being more mature/media savvy.
I feel like the overarching theme of this generation of Nickelodeon shows was the "do it yourself" quality. This, like All That and Clarissa and Pete and Pete, always had a "made by kids/teens" feel, whereas iCarly and Hannah Montana feel so obviously written by creepy adults.
@curiousgeorgiana: Oh man, Salute Your Shorts made me REALLY want to go to summer camp. Then I went, and I was the weird girl and didn't have a group of equally weird friends and it kind of sucked. But I still loved the show.
I lament for imagination. I mean, when I was a kid I played with Jem dolls and watched Jem, but I grew up around musicians and singers, so I kinda related to the women in the show on that level. But I also had My Little Ponies and Strawberry Shortcake and Care Bears and Gummi Bears and you fucking name it, imagination and fantasy going on on TV. There was a bit of a balance.
@napalmnacey is an angry feminist: And I think Jem is different. To me, Jem was an adult. She (along with Star Search) made my first career choice "singer/dancer" but I aspired for that when I grew up. I took dance class and practiced in my bedroom so that when I was older, I would be as awesome as her.
I think it's fine for kids to want to be actors/singers/etc. but I feel like this newest trend doesn't inspire them to work hard; it makes them want instant fame.
All of these shows realize that they are copying "The Famous Jett Jackson", right? And that show at least had some intriguing action scenes and a fun movie. (That I own on VHS)
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... BECAUSE OF TV. I feel bad for kids growing up in the celebreality generation, honestly. They're never going to feel like anything they accomplish is worthwhile until they have a perfume out and paparazzi following them around, and they're not going to devote themselves to accomplishing anything worthwhile anyway because none of their role models do.
Take Lindsay Lohan and Miley Cyrus, for example. Is one categorically better and more wholesome than the other? Probably. But at the end of the day both are just brands to stamp on products- bland, manufactured pop music, shitty movies, tv shows, whatever- and saturate popular culture with the notion that the only way to have everything is to do absolutely nothing.
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Another show on Disney that isn't too bad is actually a cartoon - Phineas and Ferb. It's freakin amusing as all hell.
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disservice by not telling him he has a 1 in 1000000 chance of being famous.
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Being un-famous is SO MUCH BETTER because the world at large doesn't care who you hold hands with at recess or if you're getting kind of chubby for your Jordache jeans. And they don't care if you just eat cheetos for dinner. And they don't care if you post stupid photos online, or if you fail a test, or whatever.
The perks of non-fame are innumerable!
Kids today have no foresight about important things. Geez.
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I suppose like so many things that kids want, it's something that seems more desirable until you have it.
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I feel like the overarching theme of this generation of Nickelodeon shows was the "do it yourself" quality. This, like All That and Clarissa and Pete and Pete, always had a "made by kids/teens" feel, whereas iCarly and Hannah Montana feel so obviously written by creepy adults.
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I think it's fine for kids to want to be actors/singers/etc. but I feel like this newest trend doesn't inspire them to work hard; it makes them want instant fame.
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