I have a bone to pick with the caption here, but since I don't have Agence France-Presse's email address, I'll just throw it out here for discussion: I'll grant that Hamas can certainly be described as a "radical Islamic movement." However, my guess is that they organized this event in their capacity as the ELECTED GOVERNMENT of the Gaza Strip.
@RubyPenelope: Right, as I said. My issue is that the caption fails to mention that Hamas runs the government. It'd be like saying a US government program was "organized by the radical Democratic Party." Given that this isn't Fox News ...
@Princess Leela: Yeah, the situation is Gaza is confusing when it comes to government and maybe they didn't mention that because some people don't consider that to be a legitimate government since Hamas is listed as terrorist organization. But you are correct they certainly are the elected power there.
@egg cream is here, is second tier, get used to it: Yup, we used to say their motto was "It might be late... but it'll almost certainly be wrong." Um, not though in front of my friends who worked there...
I just got home from church, where we were discussing this for much of the evening. The media's (and our government's) unquestioning support of Israel in their actions is appalling. Call it out for what it is - unjustifiable murder.
I can't believe how the US government supports this, time after time. But then again we're the ones who have done, like, what to Iraq? We're alike as two peas in a pod.
Someone early in the thread put it best: maybe people should just stop being assholes. Governments included.
I am in Paris and I can tell you that the CNN INternational coverage here is very different from what I am expecting is being aired in the US. The reporters seem simply aghast and annoyed at the dipolmatic runaround. It's actually kind of refreshing.
@ohgoodness: That's unsurprising. Parisians are mostly comprised of Muslims, and my husband was told not to wear his yalmulke when he visited there.
Also, France has been at the forefront of many hate crimes against synagogues and Jewish cemetaries. Frankly, I think both the US and France are biased.
I'm pretty horrified by the leaflets part. We're telling people to evacuate their buildings, putting them where? In the streets? Where the ground troops are? I'm sure nothing could possibly go wrong in that highly charged scenario.
I was all over the "Israel bombing Gaza" thread last Saturday, and today, I just can't. Can't, can't. My head aches, my heart sinks, my stomach twists. The ways in which this is a horror and wrongwrongwrong are myriad, and I don't even know how to talk about it anymore.
Instead, I will post a link to my favorite rabbi's blog (Rabbi Brant Rosen - I'm a Conservative, he's a Reconstructionist) and a passage from what he wrote last week:
"The news today out of Israel and Gaza makes me just sick to my stomach.
I know, I can already hear the responses: every nation has a responsibility to ensure the safety of its citizens. If the Qassams stopped, Israel wouldn't be forced to take military action. Hamas also bears responsibility for this tragic situation…
I could answer each and every one of these claims in turn, but I'm ready to stop this perverse game of rhetorical ping-pong. I don't buy the rationalizations any more. I'm so tired of the apologetics. How on earth will squeezing the life out of Gaza, not to mention bombing the living hell out of it, ensure the safety of Israeli citizens?...
So no more rationalizations. What Israel has been doing to the people of Gaza is an outrage."
@ellaesther: Thanks for the post. I can understand you being sick of it. I had to finally turn off the news this morning cuz I felt like I was going to throw up. Check out the blog of Rabbi Marc Gopin, an Orthodox peace activist, www.marcgopin.com.
Ugh. I saw this on MSNBC and immediately decided to take a long nap.
To those of you who are arguing that this is a death struggle, ongoing for millenia, my view is that it isn't, because if we do know anything for sure, it's that neither the Israelis nor the Palestinians (and it will inevitably be more than the Palestinians, FYI) are, of themselves, monolith. No one, by mere accident of birth, comes programmed with a hatred for the other side.
What is true: there are many, many people who will die in this conflict and others because someone has decided an idea is more important than a person. Somebody has decided it is more important to be "right" (and we all know that in the real world, right is a complicated thing) than to keep someone else's kid or mother or husband alive, at all costs. And that's the actual problem here.
The people who will tell you that belonging to any group greater than that of humanity is worth bombing somebody else's kids is, to put it bluntly, full of shit, whether they're a Hamas insurgent or an Israeli parliamentarian or the President of the United States.
@PilgrimSoul: @PilgrimSoul: I agree with most of what you said, but in the case of the Palestinians, they are no longer just fighting for an ideal...many of them are fighting to simply save their land, their homes, their children, etc. We get told that Hamas is all about pursuing their orders from god, etc. to alienate and distract us from the fact that non-zealots--EVERYDAY people are being shoved from their property and KILLED.
@reita1: you need to separate between the struggle of the civilians and the fighting of the terrorists living amongst them...the problem is that the civilians are not fighting the terrorists but either living in fear of them or actually agreeing with them...
@dumanue: Exactly-- what I am saying is that it is becoming harder to separate for the non-terrorist Palestinians living in the areas under direct military attack-- they're being forced to choose a side because it is becoming a kill-or-be-killed situation. Again, I'd really recommend the Rachel Corrie autobiography. I don't work for her publishing agency or anything, but it was a very informative read that was devastatingly personal and humane. Devastating in that she was killed and was a very intelligent and reasonable girl who was spun in the media all wrong.
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Refugee camps? Not so much. Neither pige-y nor bebbeh should ever have to be in one... #ezzabedrabbo
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Oh well. Eid Mubarak, everybody.
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Also, wow--beautiful!
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I can't believe how the US government supports this, time after time. But then again we're the ones who have done, like, what to Iraq? We're alike as two peas in a pod.
Someone early in the thread put it best: maybe people should just stop being assholes. Governments included.
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Also, France has been at the forefront of many hate crimes against synagogues and Jewish cemetaries. Frankly, I think both the US and France are biased.
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Instead, I will post a link to my favorite rabbi's blog (Rabbi Brant Rosen - I'm a Conservative, he's a Reconstructionist) and a passage from what he wrote last week:
"The news today out of Israel and Gaza makes me just sick to my stomach.
I know, I can already hear the responses: every nation has a responsibility to ensure the safety of its citizens. If the Qassams stopped, Israel wouldn't be forced to take military action. Hamas also bears responsibility for this tragic situation…
I could answer each and every one of these claims in turn, but I'm ready to stop this perverse game of rhetorical ping-pong. I don't buy the rationalizations any more. I'm so tired of the apologetics. How on earth will squeezing the life out of Gaza, not to mention bombing the living hell out of it, ensure the safety of Israeli citizens?...
So no more rationalizations. What Israel has been doing to the people of Gaza is an outrage."
[rabbibrant.com]
01/04/09
Check out the blog of Rabbi Marc Gopin, an Orthodox peace activist, www.marcgopin.com.
01/04/09
I read in another of your comments about your husband being on milu'im. Good luck to him, and to you. Milu'im is tough in regular times, but now...?
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To those of you who are arguing that this is a death struggle, ongoing for millenia, my view is that it isn't, because if we do know anything for sure, it's that neither the Israelis nor the Palestinians (and it will inevitably be more than the Palestinians, FYI) are, of themselves, monolith. No one, by mere accident of birth, comes programmed with a hatred for the other side.
What is true: there are many, many people who will die in this conflict and others because someone has decided an idea is more important than a person. Somebody has decided it is more important to be "right" (and we all know that in the real world, right is a complicated thing) than to keep someone else's kid or mother or husband alive, at all costs. And that's the actual problem here.
The people who will tell you that belonging to any group greater than that of humanity is worth bombing somebody else's kids is, to put it bluntly, full of shit, whether they're a Hamas insurgent or an Israeli parliamentarian or the President of the United States.
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