I like her, and you hit the nail on the head about firm stances.
I have so much more respect for- and interest in- people who deviate from their party lines in one way or another. While I'm sure that there are some people who actually believe every single thing in their party's platform, I have a feeling they're a small minority. Someone who has a "mavericky" opinion tends to strike me as someone who has their own ideas and good reasons for them- not just repeating the same tired schtick.
I was really into Meghan McCain until the time she threw a shitfit about Dave Letterman's joke about Sarah Palin's daughter, and how it was somehow politically motivated: [www.thedailybeast.com]
Not only is it untrue, it's an example of the awful partisan bickering that she claims to oppose.
The hypocrisy is especially stunning considering she doesn't even mention the misogynist jokes her father has made, at, for example, Chelsea Clinton's expense.
I wouldn't find it so annoying if it weren't for her trying to pass herself off as the mavericky, only authentic "tell-it-to-you-straight" person in the GOP.
I think a big part of what makes her interesting is the fact that she is John McCain's daughter. Not that we're just listening to her because she is, but that she could come from a background and a family like she did, and be so immersed in the kind of environment she is, and come out relatively sensible. I don't agree with her on many things. I don't think she is extremely well informed. But she doesn't have to have any opinions of her own, or be informed at all. She could have chosen not to. At least she is trying to be involved and make a difference, and what is interesting about her is she seems so willing to actually consider opposing views, beyond listening long enough to make an argument against them, and learn about things as she goes along, based not on her political party but on what makes sense to her. It's sad that this is a big deal, but within the republican party, and often even within the democratic party, it is.
I go in and out loving her, but I really don't understand the hatred towards her. She was given a platform, took it and actually starting saying some pretty sensible things. While I agree she was ditsy on Bill Maher, she was also TERRIFIED and that is a live taped show, one where she wasn't aware of the questions beforehand and one she knew she was going to get called out on.
I give her props for being able to say she believes in the values that the Republican party once stood for, and they were once pretty impressive, and that if Repubs and politics in general got out of peoples personal lives, all of us would fare better. Yes she might not be aware of the vast amount of speeches Reagan gave blaming his predecessor, but neither am i.
Do you know what Meghan McCain does? Says things most of us ladies like to hear - gays, sex, condoms! - and while we say shit like "She seems so nice!" she lives off of her family's money and reputation.
If you want to make REAL CHANGE, start with economic inequality.
@sanibelly: Word, dude. Plus her appeal insofar as being "pro-sex" apparently arises from the fact that she's not a virgin. This is controversial? Makes sense because the GOP is stuck in the 1950s, social issues-wise, but isn't McCain also anti-choice? I smell another Palin-scenario where she's rich enough to enjoy the "choice" offered by her comfortable lifestyle.
Why would anything think that economic inequality is something that needs to be changed?
People aren't are equal. We need to stop pretending that they are. Some jobs that people do, for which they receive the compensation that leads to the inequality, are more valuable to society then others. A janitor and a doctor do not have equal value.
That is not to say that both jobs don't need to be done, but they aren't equal in the amount on training, skills required, education, or ability required to do them. And hence, they shouldn't be compensated equally either.
On the same note, people shouldn't be criticized for using their family status to advance themselves. (Living off of your family, feeling entitled to the support, and being a mooch -as opposed to trying to further advance your position- in the same manner that people live off of welfare without trying to better themselves is another story.) Part of the reason their parents worked so hard to succeed was so their children would have that privilege.
1) "Equal" and "same" are different concepts. Everyone is "equal", not everyone is "same". The statement "all men are created equal" is different from "all men are created the same". It's a distinction with a difference, as it negates your argument - nobody is trying to make everybody the same, and it's facetious to say so.
2) Economic inequality is, yes, going to be inherent in a free market system. There is a point where the discrepancy is so wide that other compensating factors (such as education, environment) cannot "make up" for the inequality by contributing to social mobility. According to the Gini coefficient, which measures economic equality, the US has one of the highest disparities in the world. For a country that founded itself on overthrowing an aristocracy, it would be quite bittersweet to replace it by a "de facto" aristocracy without titles. That's why we have a progressive taxation system (endorsed by none other than Adam Smith).
3) Although not everybody will agree with me on this point, I think it's sort of inherently immoral for so few to have so much while so many have so little. (eg., the "eat the rich" attitude). The term "noblesse oblige" was coined to describe the social obligations felt by the old aristocracy to give back to society. Now that we have a de facto aristocracy that tends to think that they've gotten every single penny based solely on merit, this idea seems passe. Of course merit plays a part, but so do factors like environment and education that can be beyond an individual's control (ie. Luck)
4) Nobody's arguing that doctors shouldn't be paid more than janitors. Duh. People are arguing that the janitor shouldn't have to die from lack of health care, for example, and that if the doctor earns enough money, part of his income should cover the janitor's health care.
5) Nor is anybody arguing that parents shouldn't be able to provide for their children and that the kids have to start from stratch. Inheritance law favors and encourages gifts to issue. However our society penalizes unearned wealth to some extent necessary to avoid the above mentioned "de facto aristocracy". Hell, even John D. Rockefeller stated that being given large sums of money tends to make one lazy and unproductive. US policy is (or should be) about striking the right balance between providing for one's kids and encouraging productive individuals.
The thing is, Meghan McCain is actually a much better Republican than everyone else, civil discourse aside, and dealing only with the mythic core GOP values.
Small government should mean politicians should have less interest in your bedroom and body than they do in in your gunrack and wallet. I can totally understand the appeal of that sort of Goldwater conservatism: pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-gunrights, pro-civilrights.
It at least has logical internal consistency.
I mean, how does being pro-gun and pro-deathpenalty and pro-war square with calling yourself "pro-life"? Just doesn't.
If the political right fully divested itself from the fanatical theocratic religious right, the GOP would be really relevent all of a sudden. As it stands, so-called conservatives haven't been fiscally or militarily conservative since Eisenhower.
And FYI I'm pretty well to the left of Obama on pretty much everything; just the voice of someone who grew up amongst gun-toting loons who call themselves "libertarians."
@betty.black: Well, there are libertarians on the right and the left. I'm married to a t left-libertarian. Fiscal conservatives sit uneasily with the theocrats in the Republican party. Likewise, economic liberals and socialists get lumped together under the name Democrat. One of many problems with the two party system.
I could say a lot of things that I (if no one else) would find relevant with a sparkle of wit, but the truth is I think she's really hot and I like staring at her hips. Just in case someone is as shallow as I am I thought I'd raise my hand up.
Oh please. Meghan McCain don't know shit. It is BEYOND easy to criticize the GOP for its bass ackwards stance on social issues. It's also easy to cobble together some frankly pretty moderate social stances (sex, teh geighs) that are only shocking if you're, you know, in the GOP with some knee-jerk reflexive anti-government shit and "oooh I'm such a loose cannon" positions on guns. Her stance is actually pretty typical of *gasp* most moderate Democrats.
I haven't seen any indication that McCain has a grasp on basic political philosophy, much less the history of her own party, MUCH much less history in general (see the Bill Maher interview - even cutting her some slack for being nervous and extremely out of her element, the whole "don't pick on me I'm just a dumb blonde!" is standard-issue GOP playbook.
Frankly, the whole thing about OMG I HAVE EXTENSIONS JUST LIKE TY-TY! is incredibly oblivious.
Yeah, I'd probably get a beer with her, but I'd get a beer with anybody. It's BEER.
@meritxell: Agreed. And I think she's a cool chick, but she's being popularized because of her name her personality, and the fact that she's pretty with blonde hair. I'm sorry MM, nothing against you, but that's what it is.
@meritxell: i dont think it's fair to put forth the "she's girly so she must be dumb" stance. so what if she wants to talk to tyra about her hair extensions.. its entirely possible to be feminine and girly and also intelligent.
however i agree with you on some of your points as far as her actual political knowledge goes. i do hope she succeeds though now that she has this popularity.
@meritxell: Hear, HEAR! Considering the state of the Republican party, it's really NOT hard to sound sane compared to some of the loons who've taken over.
@jenalicious: It was Meghan M. herself who played the "I'm just a girl" card and was rightly shot down. She understands what it takes to be a media darling and plays it all too well.
@jenalicious: It's cool that she wants to talk to Tyra about extensions - it's just less cool that she somehow equates her getting blonde extensions with Tyra taking out her weave for the first time in like forever, given that black women's hair has been fraught with social and political issues, to which McCain seemed oblivious.
@meritxell: It's a measure of the low bar those of us on the Left have set for Republicans that Meghan McCain is held up as the beacon of intelligent and rational discourse from the Right.
She may seem friendly and down-to-earth but she still does not believe in my right to a safe and legal abortion, and as such her "appeal" will always be limited to me.
Plus her position isn't even original. You know who else was was pro-gay marriage, yet anti-choice? DICK CHENEY.
@hej hej: Ha, seriously. The GOP has sunk so low that as long as McCain isn't frothing at the mouth about death panels and socialism, she's deemed admirable.
And any time your political compass aligns with that of Dick *shudder* Cheney, it's probably time to re-evaluate.
@meritxell: Only addressing your first paragraph...but she sounds to me like the vast majority of Repubs I know--who are Moderate Repubs.
There's a lot of stuff that Moderates from both sides agree on. That's why they're moderates: they haven't embraced the far-left or far-right of their particular party.
@RStewie: There is a real moderate party in this country: the Democrats. Basically all of the moderates in the Republican party jumped ship (eg., the decline of the Rockefeller Republican in the Northeast to the extent that the GOP is all but extinct in an area where it was a traditional stronghold).
The Republican party is basically governed from the far right, and has been for at least two decades. Moderates such as McCain who haven't realized that don't get love from me. I'd be happy if they joined the Dems and then the progressive wing can split off, leaving the GOP powerless as the loony regional party that it has shown itself to be.
I mean I get that she thinks she can save the GOP from the lunatics but since they make up the majority of the party now she'd have better luck just joining the Dems.
I like her because I see myself in her. I do want her to be more informed, but I think its so important that she just comse out of the gate open-minded and non confrontational. I hate discussing politics because its so polarizing and I don't feel qualified, so I generally stay out of it and just listen. So I guess I like that she seems ready to listen, and like she really wants whats best for citizens and the country, not her own wacko agenda. That sounds vague re-reading it, but it comes down to her not being hateful or angry. Its a start and I hope she builds on it with more knowledge.
I can see why it's easy to take the cheap shots at Meghan McCain: she does come off as unpolished and not as politically savvy as her last name would suggest. Yet maybe, that's the biggest part of her appeal -- she is not a sycophant, not a walk block of talking points, not putting on pretensions. She is honest about who she is, and if she travels outside her comfort zone, and comes up with opinions bordering on vapidity, she's at least out there, making her voice heard, calling out those who have stained the Republican party. I don't for a second believe she's ready to dice it up big time, but right now there is a large vacuum left behind by the Republicans fall from grace, and I'd rather people like her were trying to fill it, rather than the Becks, O'Reillys, and Limbaughs of the world.
@NefariousNewt a.k.a. General Awesomesauce: I agree. She also seems like she could sit and drink a cold beer with you and discuss any variety of topics and not be pompous or overbearing at all.
I've been following Meghan's blog, The Daily Beast, for some time now (I think I actually read about it here on Jez, first) - not because I'm a Republican (I'm not), but because I like to hear both sides of arguments before making my decision on anything... and hers is the only Republican voice that is female and not self-loathing/ridiculous (I'm looking at you Michelle Malkin) that I can stand. I appreciate -now, more than ever- that she can carry on IMO very pragmatic conversations about the issues at large, while still staying true to her political affiliation.
@CurtCole: I have to say I'm in agreement with you here. And I come from a family of conservative christian Republicans. Last time me and the BF were around and talking with my dad about something that moved to politics, it ended up being a pro-choice vs. anti-choice thing for about 3 minutes, then when we brought up a point that couldn't be countered with anything except the Bible, he got very frustrated and curtly said this conversation is over, then we changed the subject super-fast (which I was kinda proud of, because dad has a temper on him)... my mom, sadly, is less reasonable and will continue on until blue in the face.
@wednesdayam: Oh, that sounds like almost every trip home for me. I always end up screaming, "I LOVE YOU!" in a tone that implies that this is the only reason they're still breathing.
I gotta say, I'm part of this club, too. And I do admire her for sticking with the Republican party. I would imagine for her it's like having a really really huge and really really REALLY embarrassing family.
@toastandlove: Oh I feel the opposite. The fact that she's stuck with the GOP, despite disagreeing with so much of what they stand for today, bothers me. WHY is she a Republican? Even she doesn't seem to know the answer.
@SarahMC: I think she would throw out the small government, fiscally conservative, blah blah that a lot of people to the right of center give for identifying with Republicans.
@SarahMC: i think shes just really trying to bring out a voice of the Republicans that gets completely covered by the screaming crazies out there. I think (hope?) there are probably a lot more out there but you just never hear from them.
@SarahMC: Because we have a two party system and if you want to have any power or relevance in Washington you have to align with one of them?
I'm liberal and I disagree with so much that the President and other Democrats are doing. But if I wanted to get in to national politics, I would probably be something like McCain, fighting to change the Democratic party from within.
@Hana Maru: Yeah I agree with you there. The Dems are way too conservative for me; there is not a more liberal major political party. There IS a more liberal major political party than the GOP, however. In fact, Megan McCain's views seem to fall right in line with the modern Democratic party.
@SarahMC: Bingo. If anything, she sounds like she's got a more libertarian bent than anything. But I don't think even SHE knows entirely where she's at. Which is funny, given that her dad is a senator. What do they talk about at dinner?
@SarahMC: The Republican Party comprises both right libertarians and theocrats, and a lot of people in between. A lot of people like McCain feel like it's been taken over by the theocrats, but that doesn't make her a Democrat.
@bananaballs: Really? I've never heard her sound confused or inconsistent. She's talked about disagreeing with her father on a few things, but that they enjoy debating politics over dinner.
@Hana Maru: It always sounded to me like she was a closet democrat. Maybe a more centrist one, but a democrat nonetheless. It just seems like she would be if her last name wasn't McCain.
Tries to do some good, tells the truth most of the time, has insecurities....sounds like most 20-somethings. Not that I am trying to diminish the love, I get that it's all within the context of media and politics. She's normal. I think we're officially at the point where normal is refreshing.
@Penny: Oh, we are way worse than that. I think we're at the point where "not utterly insane or seriously racist" leads to bonus points. I'm just not sure how we climb back up from there.
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I have so much more respect for- and interest in- people who deviate from their party lines in one way or another. While I'm sure that there are some people who actually believe every single thing in their party's platform, I have a feeling they're a small minority. Someone who has a "mavericky" opinion tends to strike me as someone who has their own ideas and good reasons for them- not just repeating the same tired schtick.
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Not only is it untrue, it's an example of the awful partisan bickering that she claims to oppose.
The hypocrisy is especially stunning considering she doesn't even mention the misogynist jokes her father has made, at, for example, Chelsea Clinton's expense.
I wouldn't find it so annoying if it weren't for her trying to pass herself off as the mavericky, only authentic "tell-it-to-you-straight" person in the GOP.
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I give her props for being able to say she believes in the values that the Republican party once stood for, and they were once pretty impressive, and that if Repubs and politics in general got out of peoples personal lives, all of us would fare better. Yes she might not be aware of the vast amount of speeches Reagan gave blaming his predecessor, but neither am i.
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If you want to make REAL CHANGE, start with economic inequality.
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Why would anything think that economic inequality is something that needs to be changed?
People aren't are equal. We need to stop pretending that they are. Some jobs that people do, for which they receive the compensation that leads to the inequality, are more valuable to society then others. A janitor and a doctor do not have equal value.
That is not to say that both jobs don't need to be done, but they aren't equal in the amount on training, skills required, education, or ability required to do them. And hence, they shouldn't be compensated equally either.
On the same note, people shouldn't be criticized for using their family status to advance themselves. (Living off of your family, feeling entitled to the support, and being a mooch -as opposed to trying to further advance your position- in the same manner that people live off of welfare without trying to better themselves is another story.) Part of the reason their parents worked so hard to succeed was so their children would have that privilege.
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1) "Equal" and "same" are different concepts. Everyone is "equal", not everyone is "same". The statement "all men are created equal" is different from "all men are created the same". It's a distinction with a difference, as it negates your argument - nobody is trying to make everybody the same, and it's facetious to say so.
2) Economic inequality is, yes, going to be inherent in a free market system. There is a point where the discrepancy is so wide that other compensating factors (such as education, environment) cannot "make up" for the inequality by contributing to social mobility. According to the Gini coefficient, which measures economic equality, the US has one of the highest disparities in the world. For a country that founded itself on overthrowing an aristocracy, it would be quite bittersweet to replace it by a "de facto" aristocracy without titles. That's why we have a progressive taxation system (endorsed by none other than Adam Smith).
3) Although not everybody will agree with me on this point, I think it's sort of inherently immoral for so few to have so much while so many have so little. (eg., the "eat the rich" attitude). The term "noblesse oblige" was coined to describe the social obligations felt by the old aristocracy to give back to society. Now that we have a de facto aristocracy that tends to think that they've gotten every single penny based solely on merit, this idea seems passe. Of course merit plays a part, but so do factors like environment and education that can be beyond an individual's control (ie. Luck)
4) Nobody's arguing that doctors shouldn't be paid more than janitors. Duh. People are arguing that the janitor shouldn't have to die from lack of health care, for example, and that if the doctor earns enough money, part of his income should cover the janitor's health care.
5) Nor is anybody arguing that parents shouldn't be able to provide for their children and that the kids have to start from stratch. Inheritance law favors and encourages gifts to issue. However our society penalizes unearned wealth to some extent necessary to avoid the above mentioned "de facto aristocracy". Hell, even John D. Rockefeller stated that being given large sums of money tends to make one lazy and unproductive. US policy is (or should be) about striking the right balance between providing for one's kids and encouraging productive individuals.
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Small government should mean politicians should have less interest in your bedroom and body than they do in in your gunrack and wallet. I can totally understand the appeal of that sort of Goldwater conservatism: pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-gunrights, pro-civilrights.
It at least has logical internal consistency.
I mean, how does being pro-gun and pro-deathpenalty and pro-war square with calling yourself "pro-life"? Just doesn't.
If the political right fully divested itself from the fanatical theocratic religious right, the GOP would be really relevent all of a sudden. As it stands, so-called conservatives haven't been fiscally or militarily conservative since Eisenhower.
And FYI I'm pretty well to the left of Obama on pretty much everything; just the voice of someone who grew up amongst gun-toting loons who call themselves "libertarians."
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I haven't seen any indication that McCain has a grasp on basic political philosophy, much less the history of her own party, MUCH much less history in general (see the Bill Maher interview - even cutting her some slack for being nervous and extremely out of her element, the whole "don't pick on me I'm just a dumb blonde!" is standard-issue GOP playbook.
Frankly, the whole thing about OMG I HAVE EXTENSIONS JUST LIKE TY-TY! is incredibly oblivious.
Yeah, I'd probably get a beer with her, but I'd get a beer with anybody. It's BEER.
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however i agree with you on some of your points as far as her actual political knowledge goes. i do hope she succeeds though now that she has this popularity.
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@jenalicious: It was Meghan M. herself who played the "I'm just a girl" card and was rightly shot down. She understands what it takes to be a media darling and plays it all too well.
Don't fall for it, people!
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She may seem friendly and down-to-earth but she still does not believe in my right to a safe and legal abortion, and as such her "appeal" will always be limited to me.
Plus her position isn't even original. You know who else was was pro-gay marriage, yet anti-choice? DICK CHENEY.
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And any time your political compass aligns with that of Dick *shudder* Cheney, it's probably time to re-evaluate.
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There's a lot of stuff that Moderates from both sides agree on. That's why they're moderates: they haven't embraced the far-left or far-right of their particular party.
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The Republican party is basically governed from the far right, and has been for at least two decades. Moderates such as McCain who haven't realized that don't get love from me. I'd be happy if they joined the Dems and then the progressive wing can split off, leaving the GOP powerless as the loony regional party that it has shown itself to be.
I mean I get that she thinks she can save the GOP from the lunatics but since they make up the majority of the party now she'd have better luck just joining the Dems.
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I'm liberal and I disagree with so much that the President and other Democrats are doing. But if I wanted to get in to national politics, I would probably be something like McCain, fighting to change the Democratic party from within.
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