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11/21/09
So, at what point can we round up these guild-ridden rich people, send them on an island, and let poor people hunt them for prize money? Your quarry comes with its inheritance, trust fund, and stock options. Plus any edible portions of the kill.
11/21/09
you'll see their eyes are just like yours.
Hold their hand,
it will feel like yours.
Listen to their heart, it beats like yours.
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I wish people could talk about their problems, their pains, their depressions without the judgement of those listening. It defeats the point of listening...
We all get sad, lonely, depressed. The rich, the poor, the healthy, the sick, the beautiful, the not-so-much. Is is too much to have a touch of empathy? (Anyone see Funny Face? Anyone?)
- this might also be an extension of my mother's comment after I told her about Dahl Kim's death... "Was she too rich and beautiful?"
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11/21/09
i don't know, i was probably too sensitive. full disclosure: i'm a rich kid with a suicidal dad. i can't imagine going, well dad's in the hospital again...but hey, at least we have the beach houses! money really doesn't make a difference in that type of scenario.
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11/21/09
I didn't mean, "well dad's in the hospital again...but hey, at least we have the beach houses!"
But wealth provides a level of cushion and security that people without it don't have
For many people, dad going to the hospital would mean that dad loses his job, they lose their place to live and they wind up on the streets
"well dad's in the hospital again...but thank god that him missing work doesn't mean he will lose his job and we won't have a place to live" is a bad place to be but money provides a backstop that keeps it from being an economic disaster as well as emotionally painful
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11/21/09
On a purely practical level borrowing money for cabs to the hospital, begging at the bank and relying on handouts is not fun. I've been there. My 2 cents: some financial security will make the practicalities a wee bit easier and that's about it.
Good luck joutfit!
11/21/09
@SuzyBee: Thank you for saying what I meant better than I said it. My father died of cancer when I was in hs and it changed *****everything***** from being ok and having enough to total chaos. Money would have helped a lot.
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It's especially funny that some commenters are getting annoyed that these guys are taking jobs. If this post was about rich kids who do nothing, I bet people would be bitching that they should get jobs.
Is anyone posting here really "poor" especially when compared with the rest of the world? Everyone here has it better than someone, globally, they have it better than most.
Really read some of the comments, they're (unintentionally?) hilarious.
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Wait... so you mean you don't think you're the WORST for taking an internship!? Heh. I mean, what's the solution there? Do people think that if "rich kids" stop taking unpaid internships, suddenly they'd be able to afford to?
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Other people having it worse than you doesn't mean you can't be upset (trust, nothing annoys me more than the middle class morons telling me I have "first world problems"), but I guess my privilege is showing because I can't comprehend people being upset with their socioeconomic class. It is what it is, and most likely, it's not changing. The problem isn't gaps in "class", the problems lie in lack in opportunity. We need better schools, better heath care, etc etc etc. Which is why taxes need to be raised. A lot.
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You can say the same thing about college that you're saying about internships...
11/21/09
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11/20/09
But at the same time, I read stories like this and think, "First World problems, people! These are First World problems! Not having safe drinking water, dodging bullets, slow starvation...those are actual problems. Some perspective, please!"
And then I feel bad for disliking people with money, because after all, they ARE trying. Agh, I hate it when I can't just hate people for simple-minded reasons.
11/20/09
We live in this era where we all present ourselves as a product. It's the difference between somebody saying "I am" and "I am the kind of person who".
If you want to work for a non-profit, that's amazing. Own it. Say, "I am working for a non-profit". Say, "I am rich because of my family". Say, "I am guilty sometimes for having money".
I know too many people - rich and not - who are laboring under the misapprehension that people care about the mysterious underpinnings of their psyche or are interested in the mundane details of their likes and dislikes. These people package themselves with grand pronouncements: "I am the kind of person who refuses to take money from my parents", or "I am the kind of person who believes eating in restaurants is bourgeois", or "I am the kind of person who only drinks fair trade black coffee/ shops at goodwill/ makes great art/ feels incredibly empty".
Nobody gives a shit what kind of rich person you are. Just be a human. You are not inherently more interesting or complicated than anyone else. Get some life experience and learn that self-awareness, self-deprecation, and empathy is not equivalent to fetishizing the "poor" or living like common people do or indulging in righteous self-loathing or telling me what a special snowflake you are.
Or, in the words of my husband, "Blah fucking blah, you privileged twat. Nobody fucking cares."
/FIN.
11/20/09
The last part of your comment reminded me of a Jon Stewart line. He was referring to people who lie, cheat and steal but I think it has relevance here: "Be a f*cking human!"
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No, it's not okay, you twit. It's not okay for non-rich people to do it; it's certainly not okay for you to do it. Suck it up and ask for help. Non-rich people do not want company. We want you to consider that to the rest of us, our nonprofit jobs aren't just philanthropic icing on a secure future; they are our jobs, which pay for our homes and families, and when you steal from nonprofits, you steal from all of us who need to work there. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph.
Separate issue: I wish just one of these people had talked about using their power and/or their wealth to create or save jobs in this country. While they're playing at work, people are losing their homes and running out of unemployment insurance. Yes, charities need help. But more people need livelihoods than people who need the services of charities. And a lot of people who are now rich got that way by outsourcing jobs that Americans needed to live on. If they want to feel guilty, they can start right there.
11/20/09
Money is a finate resource. The money that hospital spent on his xray could have been used for someone who really needed it.
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11/20/09
My husband is from an upper middle class family and my family is very poor. He has worked really hard to become successful in his career, but I can't help but resent the opportunities that he has been given his whole life. What really gets to me is that he doesn't see how much of an advantage someone from his background has. He doesn't see that's it not based solely on hard work.
I realize now that we're married it's "our" success. But it still sucks to be the one in the relationship with the crappy job who had to choose between not finishing college or being homeless at the time.
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My brother-in-law wasted his twenties, then woke up, his parents bailed him out, and now he's doing well. He doesn't think people living in poverty should get any kind of government help because he thinks they were all like he was-- just irresponsible people who should have worked harder. He totally misses that he didn't work his way to where he is now-- he got BAILED OUT and then found a decent job because his parents paid his way through school. Someone without a wealthy family like his would have been screwed for life. They would never have had the luxury to waste their 20's partying in the first place.
I am extremely aware of the privilege my little family has now. It is a huge relief to know that I'll never have to worry about being out on the street. So even though we're trying to do things on our own right now-- my husband and I are both college students plus he works and we have two little kids-- we know we're way better off than most people in our current income bracket. We don't live with the fear that one major disaster would ruin us. I grew up with that hanging over my head-- with a dad who had health problems which meant my parents were never able to get ahead-- that fear that one more job loss, one more lengthy hospitalization, and we may lose everything. If you haven't been there you can never understand what an immense privilege it is to know you have a place to fall. I do resent people who don't understand that.
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That being said, it isn't that I didn't KNOW how to manage money; I had seen it modeled for me all my life. I was just never required to do it myself, and so when I was out on my own, Grandpa's "never spend money you don't have" mantra seemed to slip my mind.
Additionally, my grandpa and dad were/are notoriously frugal--my dad will exercise the right to a senior citizen discount on a 89 cent soda at McDonald's-- and because this behavior embarrassed me immensely, not to mention having an overall desire to be nothing like my father, I really threw the baby out with the bathwater, failing to discern between behaviors I should model (money management) and those I shouldn't (pretty much everything else).
I am in no way in the same position that these kids are (my mom has told me "Don't even think about an inheritance. I'm spending every dime") but I do think that it is admirable-if misguided--to try to overcome the extravagant lifestyle these kids grew up with. It's hard to break life long habits and change deeply instilled ideas about the way that the world works. Good for anyone trying to overcome that.
Sorry this is so long: as Mark Twain (or TS Eliot or Proust or Ben Franklin and probably a million other people) said, "If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter." I haven't quite mastered that. :-)
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There's actually an organization called Wealth for the Common Good that I'm trying to get my grandparents to join that recruits wealthy individuals to fight for progressive tax reform and speak publicly about how they should be made to pay more. I think they have might ties to Resource Generation (which I find to be annoying and not really understand the complexities of privilege) but I also think the organization has an angle we never hear.
11/20/09
And if all private property is nationalized, what about the LIVERY OF SIESIN?
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10/22/09
Love is love, sex is sex, money is money. But marriage has represented all these things and more. At times the ideal has been to marry for love, or to marry to move up in life, to make an advantageous power-play for the sake of your family. To keep the family name going within itself. Now it seems the ideal is to marry for love, but also to seek all fulfillment from the person you marry - you're supposed to find your "soul mate." It's funny, isn't it, that it's just another arrangement that we've told ourselves is the one right choice, when we've had several "right choices" throughout history and across cultures?
I'm not advocating for a return to marriage where women were treated like property, but I do think it's interesting to see how much the expectations of marriage have changed across time. In some ways, it seems like there would be less pressure if we weren't encouraged to find "THE ONE" and live "HAPPILY EVER AFTER" only to have our dreams shattered when we find our expectations were set too high. #whenyoumarry
10/21/09
The 50's housewife 'tradition' is just a re-tread of that rather Victorian ideal. #whenyoumarry
10/22/09
It was more "what work was good for each gender" that ruled the day as opposed to "women shouldn't work."
It was really the generation after WW2 that decided it needed to go back to a "simpler time" that never really existed. #whenyoumarry
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I've been married to my husband for 10+ years and sometimes the thought of sex with him really is revolting. Not all the time, just sometimes. Am I a terrible wife? #whenyoumarry
10/21/09
Just to clarify I mean about a week before the event and the week after I totally am NOT in the mood.
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I love my husband. We have sex quite often but sometimes the thought of sexual intimacy is actually disgusting. I feel kind of awful about this but the one other person I spoke to it about (also married 10+) said she feels the same way sometimes. It isn't personal. #whenyoumarry
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It's easy to forget that for women, sex drive really is cyclical, whereas men's is fairly constant. For some reason, we tend to just assume that women have a low sex drive and then we read all of those awful magazine articles about how to "fix" it. Yuck. #whenyoumarry