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    More On HBO's Grey Gardens: "The Hallmark Of Aristocracy Is Responsibility"

    Grey Gardens: The Movie Promo Is Here!
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    Image of electriklights electriklights
    04/09/09

    In reply to More On HBO's Grey Gardens: "The Hallmark Of Aristocracy Is Responsibility"
    I can't wait for this!!!
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    Image of mariamariamaria mariamariamaria
    04/09/09

    In reply to More On HBO's Grey Gardens: "The Hallmark Of Aristocracy Is Responsibility"
    "Is it true that Jack Kennedy gave you gonorrhea?" - I've found my Facebook status.
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    Image of The Queen of No The Queen of No
    04/09/09

    In reply to More On HBO's Grey Gardens: "The Hallmark Of Aristocracy Is Responsibility"
    I am so excited to watch this movie. I'll probably end up seeing it like three times. Yay for having HBO.
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    Image of siandt siandt
    04/09/09

    In reply to More On HBO's Grey Gardens: "The Hallmark Of Aristocracy Is Responsibility"
    I have an early copy, too, but I haven't watched it. Now I feel I should.
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    Image of hollygirl hollygirl
    04/09/09

    In reply to More On HBO's Grey Gardens: "The Hallmark Of Aristocracy Is Responsibility"
    I read in an interview with Lee Radziwill that jackie never visited grey gardens, so I'm kind of predisposed not to belive stuff in this movie. I don't need to watch what someone imagined would make an intersting "round-out" to the original
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    Image of BlondeGoddess BlondeGoddess
    04/09/09

    @hollygirl: I prob read the same interview (in Vogue), and understood that Jackie never visited GG with Ari Onassis - which doesn't mean she didn't go by herself or with her sister.
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    Image of hollygirl hollygirl
    04/10/09

    @BlondeGoddess: Ah! thanks for the clarification. I'm still not sure I need more than the original.
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    04/09/09

    In reply to More On HBO's Grey Gardens: "The Hallmark Of Aristocracy Is Responsibility"
    Does anyone know where the writers got the info that is missing from the documentary- ie who filled in the gaps? I was always so curious about little edie's brothers...
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    Image of BlondeGoddess BlondeGoddess
    04/09/09

    In reply to More On HBO's Grey Gardens: "The Hallmark Of Aristocracy Is Responsibility"
    In the 3rd clip, Jessica Lange looks so much like Big Edie it's scary!
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    Image of Baroness Baroness
    04/09/09

    In reply to More On HBO's Grey Gardens: "The Hallmark Of Aristocracy Is Responsibility"
    Watching Grey Gardens, I slowly came to the idea that Little Edie might have suffered from a crippling anxiety disorder. Which is especially difficult for someone wanting to be in show business. I still wonder if that's the tragedy of her life. Mentioning "anxiety" as reason for her hair loss adds to this impression.

    She also seems throughout the film to be rationalizing this, blaming others, somewhat in denial. Which is quite sad, but compelling.


    As for selling the house, it's important to remember, there was a time when a "house in the Hamptons" didn't mean they were sitting on a gold mine. In fact the phrase "the Hamptons" was never even used when I was growing up there. Its mass celebrity and stratospheric real-estate values are relatively recent.


    GG was filmed through 1973, and it's clear by then that the women were permanently settled there, psychically. Their staunch refusal must have set in some time earlier, let's say a decade. East Hampton was still remote, the LIE did not have a mass extension until 1970, just the "Old" Montauk highway. It wasn't considered a year round place by "city' folk. I'm sure the Beales knew there was already a certain ignominy in living in their summer place all year, in the eyes of "society".


    Selling their home would not be some astronomical payday, then. Compared to today, they'd make a little to live on, not much, and they'd be homeless too. They wouldn't get then what we think the place would be worth now.

    (Sorry for going on!)

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    Image of hello.kitty hello.kitty
    04/09/09

    @Baroness: YOu added good info and points to this subject. You're spot on about the Hamptons not being the Hamptons of today.
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    Image of SarahHeartburn SarahHeartburn
    04/09/09

    @Baroness: Ditto from a New York native. Selling the house and going to a Manhattan apartment, for example wouldn't have helped. The point for me, is, that these were two women who were born and bred to be helpless outside of marriage. That they somewhat realized it, too late in life, is the tragedy, and warning, of the movie. And sneer if you want at Jackie O, but she took care of herself financially (through shrewd marriages)but also worked before and after her marriages. And made sure her kids were taken care of.
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    Image of Baroness Baroness
    04/09/09

    @SarahHeartburn: I'd never sneer at Jackie, far from it! But you're quite right. I think that's what's heartrending about the story in part. That Little Edie was encouraged to find a proper husband, she rebelled- but something seems to have impeded her, scarred her even. And she seemed to retreat from this vibrant boldness, and retreated to her safe place with her mother.

    By then, perhaps by the rigid format of that society, it was "too late" for her- that upper class spectrum was merciless about who was marriageable, and Edie's rebellion might have been held against her quite palpably. She was probably not yet 30. A playwright couldn't make it up.


    An imaginative girl rebels, wants to be an artist and a star instead of a wife, but is beset by her fears and anxieties, and brought low. She won't "show them all" after all, comes home to mother. and her class turns their back. They consider her crazy, outcast. No wonder they preferred the wilds of East Hampton. "Polite society" was a cruel joke to them.


    Wow, hurry up HBO! Looking forward to this.

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    Image of ElleL ElleL
    04/09/09

    In reply to More On HBO's Grey Gardens: "The Hallmark Of Aristocracy Is Responsibility"
    I predict a Golden Globe for Drew! :)
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    Image of Cortina Cortina
    04/09/09

    In reply to More On HBO's Grey Gardens: "The Hallmark Of Aristocracy Is Responsibility"
    You know, I'm excited for this, but what I REALLY REALLY want out of life is a film version of Grey Gardens The Musical, with Christine Ebersole, who is second only to my beloved Patti Lupone in my heart.
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    Image of PhDork PhDork
    04/09/09

    @Cortina: She was brilliant. Mary Louise Wilson, too. I saw the pre-Bway version at Playwrights Horizons, but have since memorized the entire soundtrack.
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    Image of TwiceShy TwiceShy
    04/09/09

    In reply to More On HBO's Grey Gardens: "The Hallmark Of Aristocracy Is Responsibility"
    From this clip I can't tell if she really did learn how to not talk out the side of her mouth for this role.
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    Image of Fatwetdog Fatwetdog
    04/09/09

    In reply to More On HBO's Grey Gardens: "The Hallmark Of Aristocracy Is Responsibility"
    I have a question for people who know more about this story/documentary/movie than I:


    So, I haven't seen the documentary, but it is at the top of my Netflix queue. I want to watch this movie, but is it OK to watch it first? Or should I TiVO this movie and save it till after I've seen the documentary?

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    Image of hfree hfree
    04/09/09

    @Fatwetdog: The movie might not have the same resonance without having seen the documentary (Drew seems to have Little Edie down pat. It's uncanny)
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    Image of BabyJane BabyJane
    04/09/09

    @hfree: I agree, I'd recommend watching the documentary first.
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    Image of applejuice applejuice
    04/09/09

    In reply to More On HBO's Grey Gardens: "The Hallmark Of Aristocracy Is Responsibility"
    So did she have Alopecia? I know someone with that and they were told it was probably triggered by stress.
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    Image of applejuice applejuice
    04/09/09

    @applejuice: [en.wikipedia.org]
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    Image of brendastarlet is on it brendastarlet is on it
    04/09/09

    @applejuice: yes, that is believed to be it. Same thing that afflicted Princess Caroline of Hanover (nee Monaco) for a while.
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    Image of stacyinbean stacyinbean
    04/09/09

    In reply to More On HBO's Grey Gardens: "The Hallmark Of Aristocracy Is Responsibility"
    I have never seen the original documentary, and only learned of these women through Jez. However, I can't even explain how excited I am to see this. I must find the documentary asap.
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    Image of Mary McCarthyite Mary McCarthyite
    04/09/09

    @stacyinbean: YOU WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.
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    Image of brendastarlet is on it brendastarlet is on it
    04/09/09

    @stacyinbean: it will haunt you. The first time you watch it, you will howl with laughter. The second time, you will be fascinated. The third time you will realize that you and your mother are just like the Edies.
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    Image of poires et poireaux poires et poireaux
    04/09/09

    In reply to More On HBO's Grey Gardens: "The Hallmark Of Aristocracy Is Responsibility"
    For some reason, Jessica Lange as Big Edith reminds me of the grandmaman in The Triplets of Belleville. In a good way.
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