I'm sort of leery of planes now that I know a bouquet of flowers and seagulls can take them down. I'm concerned that an aeronautic engineer hasn't figured out how to prevent hugh jass planes from going down after being struck by football sized items.
@EKane: When you're travelling at a bazillion miles an hour, even a small item has tremendous force and can cause extreme damage. (Cf. space shuttle Challenger, where a piece of foam of negligible weight caused deadly damage.)
I have several friends who work in that Northwestern lab! I should go talk to them when I finally finish school in 15 years and have no viable eggs left.
That bouquet story is crazy! Not least of all because it sounds like the bride wasn't even in the plane.
I attended my first traditional Mexican wedding a few weeks ago, and was taken aback by some of the events. When the bride was getting ready to throw the bouquet, she stood on a chair opposite her husband and all of the women had to link arms and run (whip, more like) around the dancefloor. And my boob flew out of my dress.
Then the bouquet was thrown straight at me and I dodged out the way.
@Penny: I neglected to catch the bouquet at my bf's brother's wedding, and I was given much crap about it. Apparently, in Texas, it's NOT bad form to shove a 5-year-old out of the way?
So the engine of the plane exploded and it plunged into a crowded hostel, and only one person was even injured? All things considered, that's more a miracle than a disaster. I wonder if "Sully" Sullenberger has an Italian counterpart...
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Even more proof that child porn laws are ridiculous. Let's criminalize actual crimes, not people masturbating to pictures of crime scenes after the fact.
@deeemer: What I mean is, by eliminating the consumer source, you eliminate the source material. Making it so illegal and taboo is what decreases the creation of child porn.
@Kilotwat: By being able to seize images and prosecute the rockspiders jerking off to the images, authorities can sometimes track down the children being abused, as well as other consumers and the abusers themselves.
@Kilotwat: But it's the perv's paying big bucks at home to jerk off to these horrendous crimes that fuels the industry and leads to the abuse of even more children. There are no innocent bystanders when it comes to kiddie porn. None.
@deeemer: Adults having sex with children should be illegal. Do I really need to say that?
And now, let's address the oft-trotted out argument somehow it's ok to make the possession of child porn illegal on the off chance that it stops children from being raped in front of cameras. First of all, there are already plenty of laws stopping criminals from profiting from their crimes after conviction. Second of all, the law don't criminalize a commercial purchase of child porn pictures, they criminalize the mere possession. Someone could've stolen those pictures, ya know, the same way people 'steal' music and are apparently bankrupting record industry. In the latter case, it's somehow seen as detrimental to the industry, the former, it's an enabler? Give me a break. Third of all, you really think criminalizing the possession of something discourages its production? Tried that with everything from alcohol to weed. Fourth, if you really want to criminalize things that indirectly profit from criminal acts after the fact, in the hopes that they prevent future criminal acts, you'd probably want to ban people from buying gangsta rap and watching Nancy Grace.
Culpability should only go so far. If someone gets his jollies from pictures of a crime, but that someone had nothing to do with commissioning the crime or any foreknowledge of it, that person is not responsible for the crime in any way.
@Kilotwat: I have to respectfully disagree. If the act depicted is illegal, then I do not see how evidence of that act (in this case, child pornography) should be legal and available for commercial use.
"If someone gets his jollies from pictures of a crime, but that someone had nothing to do with commissioning the crime or any foreknowledge of it, that person is not responsible for the crime in any way."
No. No. No. Your logic is fucked. Completely. Foreknowledge? If a pedophile is viewing those pictures that's "foreknowledge" of it's existence right there. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that you think a person shouldn't be held responsible for the possession of child pornography.
@Fridge Hussy : Is finally heading back to uni!: If the imperative there is to find the victims ASAP, then one might actually make the case that the child porn should be decriminalized and distributed. The more people see it, the more likely someone will recognize the victim. Keeping the possession and trade of images and videos that can identify the victims deep underground also keeps the victims hidden.
@millelilly: There is no secret market for child porn. Just like there are no secret cabals commissioning snuff porn as seen in some fiction. If you read up on cases of child porn arrests and convictions, child porn rings getting busted and the like, you'll find it's just people sharing pictures and videos for free, much like Napster back in the day. People who make child porn just get off on showing what they did to the world, like serial killers who brag, or well, flashers. Criminalizing the mere possession of child porn is like criminalizing people who collect serial killer memorabilia, or making it illegal for people to look at flashers.
Decriminalize the possession of drugs? Sounds good to me!
@Kilotwat: There are two things wrong with your argument. You say that possession shouldn't be illegal because they are not the ones committing the crime. But do you really believe that demand and production have nothing to do with one another? I would hazard a guess that at least a few producers of child pornography do it not because it turns them on or they get sexual pleasure out of it, the do it because they know there is profit to be had. It is also probably true that someone who rapes a chidl once, then realizes they can sell video for huge amounts of money, will repeat the rape, whereas they may not have before.
Second, you say that making something illegal does not eliminate it. Do you really think that is a reason to keep it legal? Rape and murder are illegal, yet they happen everyday. Do you think they should be made legal simply because they still occur?
I really hope nothing I said came out too bitchy, I am just trying to point out the fallacies I see in your argument.
@lilbobbytables is a la-di-da feminist: Pictures of crimes are used in commercial ways all the time, by tabloids and newspapers and the aforementioned Nancy Grace. While people may not masturbate to them, it's hard to deny that some get off on the sensationalism. Does that encourage future crimes in some cases? It likely does, as some criminals no doubt enjoy collecting clippings of their own crimes and hope they'll make the headlines soon. Does that mean we should ban crime reporting? I hope not. Like I keep saying, criminalize the actual criminals.
@Kilotwat: Victimization goes beyond the act itself. The distribution of images of abuse can re-victimize someone who has already been completely violated. What's worse than your uncle raping you? Your uncle video-taping it and distributing it on the web so that everyone can watch the worst moment of your life. And that video can exist long after you have started the road to recovering from the abuse, re-opening wounds that have just started to heal. Yes, you can use images of this violence to find abusers and hopefully get aid to children who are being hurt. But for the love of all that is holy, this isn't going to be accomplished by further distributing this vile filth.
@mrsdracomalfoy: Oh not at all, I thank all of you for not cussing me right out, really, given how explosive this topic is and how outre my views are.
To your first point, I guess that depends on how far you think the law should go in criminalizing things that may encourage future crimes. Although there really is no lucrative market for child porn.
Second point: I only meant criminalizing the possession of child porn will not discourage the real crime: child rape. Criminalizing things too far down the chain of crime does nothing to stop the alpha crime.
@Kilotwat: I have to agree with Mrs.dracoMalfoy- if you're consuming and paying for the goods of a crime, you're raising the demand for it.
Also, by making possession of child porn illegal, you are in fact making it easier to find the victims. It allows the authorities to confiscate hard drives, enter photos into databases, and track kids down.
Finally, I'm curious to hear your opinion on the Butner prison study. 85% of men, who had been convicted solely of possessing child pornography, admitted to molesting a child in the past. There had an average of 13 victims per man. And it's difficult to run a trial for molestation. You put a child through a lot when he has to explain exactly where Uncle Eddie put his hands and dick.
If this new study from Switzerland shows anything, it's that being CONVICTED of possessing child porn decreased the likelihood of men then going on to molest children. Not that people who only possess child porn wouldn't ever molest children. Perhaps jail time, or therapy really helps these people.
More likely though, if taken together with the Butner study, it might simply mean that the people who have only ever been convicted of possessing child porn, and not molestation are very good to hiding what "hands-on" things they do to kids, which is why they've never been cuaght before, and why it's unlikely they'll be caught again. It doesn't say these people never go on to molest children, it says they weren't convicted of it.
@Zombie Ms. Skittles: ha oh how i agree. Not only do i get migraines, they increase during pregnancy - during which time I can't take my prescription. Yes, nothing is as great as 18 hours of vomiting and blurred vision with absolutely no pain relief - which was my experience yesterday.
I'm confused: the title says that us wimminz with migraines are less likely, but then the text says that "women prone to migraines are 74% as likely to be diagnosed with breast cancer than those who have never suffered from migraines, a new study says."
@emilyanne: Damn it, I had written out a whole paragraph and my comment box disappeared. Basically I'm a migraine sufferer who is on the pill. The pill stopped the PMS and period migraines I've had every month for years which were clearly hormonally connected. I still get other migraines. That said I've only had one migraine with aura ever. I'm more of the nausea and OMG the light is gonna kill me version of the migraine. My doctor weighed my risks and with low blood pressure and no family history of stroke we decided to try the pill for my ovarian cysts. Thus far I'm happy.
@We Don't Live in the 60s: oh that is interesting, because mine are also clearly hormonal and I do have low blood pressure. I am also more nausea and light although irritatingly during pregnancy most of my migraines come with aura.
@karmasutra (can haz bigger star than youz?): I think saying we're 74% as likely is saying it is less likely. For instance, 200% as likely means twice as likely, 100% means just as likely, so 74% is probably lower, therefore less likely.
@Zombie Ms. Skittles: Masturbation has never helped my migraines. Ever. I do find it disturbing that neither of my doctors (gp nor gyno) mentioned the bcp/stroke link :(
@buzzgirl: People with migraines have a higher risk of stroke. Taking the birth control increases the risk of stroke. So a migraine sufferer taking birth control is sort of adding together two stroke risks.
@Lymed: But there's a weird correlation here, that I wonder if they controlled for in the study...women who take HBC are less likely to get breast cancer...and to get migraines. Did they parse these out?
Either way, as someone who was recently banned from estrogen due to a history of FOUR migraines (wtf? why didn't anyone say anything the first nine years I was on the pill?), I will be the proud owner of a Mirena in a week! We'll see what happens then, you migraine bastards!
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I attended my first traditional Mexican wedding a few weeks ago, and was taken aback by some of the events. When the bride was getting ready to throw the bouquet, she stood on a chair opposite her husband and all of the women had to link arms and run (whip, more like) around the dancefloor. And my boob flew out of my dress.
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And now, let's address the oft-trotted out argument somehow it's ok to make the possession of child porn illegal on the off chance that it stops children from being raped in front of cameras. First of all, there are already plenty of laws stopping criminals from profiting from their crimes after conviction. Second of all, the law don't criminalize a commercial purchase of child porn pictures, they criminalize the mere possession. Someone could've stolen those pictures, ya know, the same way people 'steal' music and are apparently bankrupting record industry. In the latter case, it's somehow seen as detrimental to the industry, the former, it's an enabler? Give me a break. Third of all, you really think criminalizing the possession of something discourages its production? Tried that with everything from alcohol to weed. Fourth, if you really want to criminalize things that indirectly profit from criminal acts after the fact, in the hopes that they prevent future criminal acts, you'd probably want to ban people from buying gangsta rap and watching Nancy Grace.
Culpability should only go so far. If someone gets his jollies from pictures of a crime, but that someone had nothing to do with commissioning the crime or any foreknowledge of it, that person is not responsible for the crime in any way.
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"If someone gets his jollies from pictures of a crime, but that someone had nothing to do with commissioning the crime or any foreknowledge of it, that person is not responsible for the crime in any way."
No. No. No. Your logic is fucked. Completely. Foreknowledge? If a pedophile is viewing those pictures that's "foreknowledge" of it's existence right there. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that you think a person shouldn't be held responsible for the possession of child pornography.
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@millelilly: There is no secret market for child porn. Just like there are no secret cabals commissioning snuff porn as seen in some fiction. If you read up on cases of child porn arrests and convictions, child porn rings getting busted and the like, you'll find it's just people sharing pictures and videos for free, much like Napster back in the day. People who make child porn just get off on showing what they did to the world, like serial killers who brag, or well, flashers. Criminalizing the mere possession of child porn is like criminalizing people who collect serial killer memorabilia, or making it illegal for people to look at flashers.
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Second, you say that making something illegal does not eliminate it. Do you really think that is a reason to keep it legal? Rape and murder are illegal, yet they happen everyday. Do you think they should be made legal simply because they still occur?
I really hope nothing I said came out too bitchy, I am just trying to point out the fallacies I see in your argument.
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To your first point, I guess that depends on how far you think the law should go in criminalizing things that may encourage future crimes. Although there really is no lucrative market for child porn.
Second point: I only meant criminalizing the possession of child porn will not discourage the real crime: child rape. Criminalizing things too far down the chain of crime does nothing to stop the alpha crime.
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Also, by making possession of child porn illegal, you are in fact making it easier to find the victims. It allows the authorities to confiscate hard drives, enter photos into databases, and track kids down.
Finally, I'm curious to hear your opinion on the Butner prison study. 85% of men, who had been convicted solely of possessing child pornography, admitted to molesting a child in the past. There had an average of 13 victims per man. And it's difficult to run a trial for molestation. You put a child through a lot when he has to explain exactly where Uncle Eddie put his hands and dick.
If this new study from Switzerland shows anything, it's that being CONVICTED of possessing child porn decreased the likelihood of men then going on to molest children. Not that people who only possess child porn wouldn't ever molest children. Perhaps jail time, or therapy really helps these people.
More likely though, if taken together with the Butner study, it might simply mean that the people who have only ever been convicted of possessing child porn, and not molestation are very good to hiding what "hands-on" things they do to kids, which is why they've never been cuaght before, and why it's unlikely they'll be caught again. It doesn't say these people never go on to molest children, it says they weren't convicted of it.
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Also, I heard that people with migraines have, on average, higher libidos than people who don't.
But, if we take birth control pills, we are more likely to have a stroke....
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The stroke thing is one reason why I never went on the pill, I'm very paranoid and have had hideous migraines since the onset of my period.
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I'm confused: the title says that us wimminz with migraines are less likely, but then the text says that "women prone to migraines are 74% as likely to be diagnosed with breast cancer than those who have never suffered from migraines, a new study says."
Which is right?!
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Either way, as someone who was recently banned from estrogen due to a history of FOUR migraines (wtf? why didn't anyone say anything the first nine years I was on the pill?), I will be the proud owner of a Mirena in a week! We'll see what happens then, you migraine bastards!
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