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Scout
12:32 AM

In reply to 30% Less Meat Healthier For Hearts, Planet
I say we force feed men tofurky (similar to that inhumane practice used on Geese for foie gras - only we come up with something nicer) so their sperm counts deplete and their fertility reduces HENCE causing natural birth control!

Don't Forget The Gravy! will take on an entirely new meaning.
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Remedios Varo can't see no huevos.
11/25/09

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Quorn's fake turkey is far superior to Tofurky. Just sayin'
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Percy
11/25/09

@Remedios Varo can't see no huevos.: My Thanksgiving Quorn is thawing in the fridge right now. I can't wait! I agree: much, much better than Tofurky. Who needs turkey, soy or real, when you have fungus-derived mycoprotein?
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Scout
11/25/09

@Remedios Varo can't see no huevos.: Quorn Rocks! (and now I'm getting a T-shirt that says just that)
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louwheeze
01:05 AM

@Remedios Varo can't see no huevos.: my Quorn Turk'y roast was late in making it to my party... so I shouted....

QUOOOOOOOOOOOOOORN!!

a la Khan.
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tiredfairy
11/25/09

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Most veggie meat substitutes really don't taste like meat. I'm not a big fan of Tofurkey, but I've found some great facon, fausage, and a grilled ficken thing that taste nothing like meat, but have great seasonings you can pair with traditionally meat centric meals. I couldn't stand things like sausage and bacon even when I wasn't vegetarian, but now I can have a FLT (facon, lettuce, tomato) and get the spices and crunch.
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SUNNY1
11/25/09

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I call shenanigans. That's not tofu, it's pound cake!
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morninggloria
11/25/09

In reply to 30% Less Meat Healthier For Hearts, Planet
I call this tofu-ckery.
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Snowbunny
11/25/09

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Our society is disgustingly meat obsessed. Look at any menu you can find, sometimes if you don't eat cheese you don't eat. It would be better for every thing if people ate 30% less meat, but especially for my palate when I eat out. Just sayin'.
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girlleastlikelyto
11/25/09

@Snowbunny: 'Tis true. I was trying to plan a party recently and one of the restaurants was a steakhouse that served 32-ounce steaks. The manager found out I am a vegetarian (I don't tend to volunteer the information because it leads to annoying conversations) and started going on about how the protein in meat helped the human brain evolve, blah blah blah. I replied that prehistoric people didn't have agriculture and that modern humans eat far more protein than is necessary. If people want to eat meat, whatever. I'm done arguing about it. I just wish they wouldn't try to justify their excesses.
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rhubarbarin
11/25/09

@girlleastlikelyto: If people don't want to eat meat, whatever. I just wish they would stop acting holier-than-thou and like I am trying to 'justify my excesses' when I offer some explanation why I feel like eating sustainably produced (non-feedlot) animal products is better for my health and the planet than supporting the endless fields of soy.
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Snowbunny
11/25/09

@girlleastlikelyto: I just wish they would stop making me have to justify myself. I really don't give a damn about what people who aren't me eat.
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girlleastlikelyto
11/25/09

@rhubarbarin: Do you think I'm talking about you? I am not. I'm talking about people who think 32-ounce steaks are reasonable and do not give a single thought about where their food comes from.

Anwyay, I've found that for many people a vegetarian is acting "holier-than-thou" simply by being a vegetarian and will start confrontations because I'm eating a veggie burger while minding my own business.
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rhubarbarin
11/25/09

@girlleastlikelyto: I eat 32 oz steaks on a regular basis. Delicious, and nutritious.

I can agree that people who don't give a thought to what they put in their bodies are.. unfortunate.

However, eating a diet composed almost entirely of animal products and getting roughly 300% of my 'recommended' daily saturated fat intake daily.. believe me, I get a lot of confrontational 'concern trolls' who interfere with my meal time because they need to tell me I am going to get sick or have a heart attack because I am not eating 300 grams of grains per day, and are convinced that drinking Silk soymilk and making sure to eat lots of those delicious sweet fruits is 'best' for me.

Two sides of the same coin.

#tips
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Snowbunny
11/25/09

@rhubarbarin: That's two pounds of meat. Color me impressed. The last time I ate two pounds of anything, much less solid protein, I spent the next four hours curled in a ball crying. It was mashed potatoes, fyi.
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Scout
12:26 AM

@Snowbunny: may I suggest you start giving some kind of damn because the actions of others in this case of food production DO affect you, the environment, health and global economy.
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NellMood
11/25/09

In reply to 30% Less Meat Healthier For Hearts, Planet
I'm a vegetarian, and while I do occasionally enjoy a fake meat product or two, the ingredients list on those things is incredibly long. I can't imagine that super-processed stuff is that great for the planet, either. I'm not saying it's not better than meat- I think it's probably significantly better, but still, there's a lot of chemicals in some of that stuff.
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BestEuphemismEver
11/25/09

@NellMood: It's the excess packaging that always irks me. They wrap those things up cuddlier than a baby seal.
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NellMood
11/25/09

@BestEuphemismEver: Totally. I'm sort of obsessive about packaging. I don't need a cardboard sleeve wrapping a plastic thing, you know? It's just going immediately in the recycling bin.
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BestEuphemismEver
11/25/09

@NellMood: I channel my inner Grandpa Simpson and write the manufacturer a letter of complaint. Ok, I only sent one once, but I sure do have a lot of righteous fury.
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NellMood
11/25/09

@BestEuphemismEver: Yeah, my activism pretty much stops at my complaining about it aloud, package poised over the bin.

#tips
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banana_grabber
11/25/09

@NellMood: That kind of stuff actually got me out of being a vegetarian (which isn't to say that has to be everyone's decision). But, I started getting into local, non-processed food and my meat-loving husband was like, Boca burgers are more processed and less local than our next door neighbor that raises good steak. I didn't agree right away, but I started rethinking processed vegetarian food immediately!
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NellMood
11/25/09

@banana_grabber: Yeah, I think that's definitely true. I try not to eat too much super processed fake meat (even though I love it) because it's really not that responsible of a choice. I would still prefer to eat a Boca burger than eat a dead animal, but I don't think it's always the best choice as far as eating locally/responsibly. Fake meat is nowhere close to being my main protein source for those reasons.
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SgtMelbaToast
11/25/09

@NellMood: Yeah, I use this stuff as more of a seasoning than a replacement in most cases, or occasionally to participate in a good weenie roast, but in the name of eating healthier and with less impact I'm not trying to match the insanely high level of meat consumption in this country with high consumption of overly processed meat-like products!
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NellMood
11/25/09

@SgtMelbaToast: Exactly. Plus that stuff is expensive! I go for the cheap protein sources like legumes for the most part.

#tips
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GirlFailer
11/25/09

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That thing is an abomination.
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judgingamy
11/05/09

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This is disappointing. I really enjoyed their last book where they hypothesized that crime went down because of abortion being legal. #superfreakonomics
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skahammer
11/05/09

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This language of this post suggests there's a lot of "pinning" and "blaming" done by the authors, even while they leave a lot of other potential issues "unclear."

I haven't read the new book yet, but the original one just seemed like a compendium of propositions supported by individual (smallish, but interesting) data studies. It didn't purport to "pin" or "blame" or even draw final conclusions about anything -- thus it was necessarily incomplete. The original book just presented the outcomes of certain (again, smallish) studies and proposed that final answers to the questions posed would have to take those outcomes into consideration -- even if the outcomes and book wound up being thoroughly debunked, which is part of the progress of science anyway.

Is the new book as different from the original as this post strongly suggests? If true, that fact seems like it would be worth an explicit mention or two.
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clevernamehere
11/04/09

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The problem with Freakonomics is that economists working outside of economics don't provide really insightful research most of the time. They tend to skip over research done in other fields, assuming all the answers are in large data sets. #superfreakonomics
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zu_zu
11/04/09

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Wow, yeah IQ tests being largely debunked as a precise measure of overall intelligence.
But hey when you're using flawed logic you may as well back it up with equally flawed data! #superfreakonomics
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clevernamehere
11/04/09

@zu_zu: IQ tests are far from precise, but they aren't total bullshit. They're more accurate at the low end, so a doubling of teachers in the lowest 20% does say something. #superfreakonomics
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zu_zu
11/04/09

@clevernamehere: My issue with IQ tests is that they measure one type of intelligence. There's the added factor that you can "learn" to improve your score on them without markedly increasing your overall intelligence. As an education major it just makes me cringe that this narrow test of intellectual capability still carries so much weight. #superfreakonomics
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Her Grace
11/05/09

@clevernamehere: Source plz. #superfreakonomics
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kentuckienne
11/04/09

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"The core belief is that humankind inherited a pristine Eden, has sinned greatly by polluting it, and now must suffer lest we all perish in a fiery apocalypse."

Except for the suffering part -- oh noes! We'll have to stop squandering resources willy-nilly! -- I'm having a hard time disagreeing with this. Admittedly, people have been destroying their natural environments for centuries -- I'm looking at you, Ancient Rome -- but now we're really good at it. #superfreakonomics
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Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
11/04/09

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Can someone please explain to me how the world is supposed to be peopled if not by women having children? Not every single douche mentioning how women 'choose' family over work, or take child-friendly jobs can be childless himself, for the end of civilization (i.e. against reproduction) or a father against his will. How the hell do they suppose this has to come about? #superfreakonomics
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funzette
11/04/09

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Rather, they champion a series of cool-sounding inventions like a hose that would squirt sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere, blotting out just enough light to cool the earth

Clearly, Monsieurs Levitt and Dubner are not familiar with the expression "end of pipe solution". #superfreakonomics
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boxspelunker
11/04/09

@funzette: That makes me want to scream. WHAT THE HELL. Seriously! Do you think blocking light will make things better or worse? Blocking light = plants not getting enough light to grow and process things in the atmosphere = stunted food production = more starvation. Also, blocking light = more pollution. DO YOU THINK, SIR/MADAM.

agh agh aghggghhhhhh blargle this is the worst idea ever. #superfreakonomics
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rmric0.wedding.photographer.and.manny
11/04/09

@boxspelunker: What's really great is that it forms sulfuric acid (and may lead to acid rain) and depletes the ozone layer. #superfreakonomics
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boxspelunker
11/04/09

@rmric0.wedding.photographer.and.manny: EVEN BETTER. I love a good acid rain.

This is crazy shit. How could you even begin to think it was a good idea, after you had thought about it for more than about 5 or 6 seconds? #superfreakonomics
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CassandraSays
11/04/09

@boxspelunker: Al Gore's response was surprisingly civil, considering - he probably wanted to say what you said but was restraining himself. #superfreakonomics
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Catabolic
11/05/09

@boxspelunker: It's just more fun to come up with 3rd rate sci-fi solutions to real-life problems than to give up any of the modern luxuries we have today.

This sort of unwavering faith in endless progress and an endless upward curve in the economy drives me nuts. "Oh, we don't need to do anything! The white-haired team of einsteins in their privately funded lab will come up with something that'll save us all from near-certain doom! Let's go drive around the block in the Hummer while we wait for the giant acid rain pipeline to the sky!"

*stab stab stab* #superfreakonomics
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boxspelunker
11/05/09

@CassandraSays: Good on him! I am not totally sure that I'd be calm and nice about it :/

@Catabolic: Yeah, that's what gets me, too. There's a belief that someone will just come save you. You don't need to change your habits - just buy the new product and don't worry about a thing! I mean, we're all in this together, and I think we're all going to have to change what we do, a little bit. Yeah, the few things I do myself won't make a difference, but if a thousand people do them, there will be change. So jump on the train, people, because it's better for all of us! #superfreakonomics
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