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pantsless economist...access RESTORED
12/08/09

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YAY! I don't know how much Copenhagen is going to accomplish, but I am eternally hopeful.
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curiousgeorgiana
12/08/09

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Atlas Stretched
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frugal
12/08/09

@curiousgeorgiana: Ayn how.
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frugal
12/08/09

@curiousgeorgiana: Ayn how.
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NeomaOrestes
11/26/09

In reply to 30% Less Meat Healthier For Hearts, Planet
GAH, i'm so sick of hearing that if we stop eating meat the planet will be saved. how about start farming cows sustainably on a diet of grass rather than antibiotics and corn. just a thought.
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Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
11/26/09

@NeomaOrestes: But then we can't all eat as much meat. No antibiotics means they can't be packed together, means less of them, means less meat. But really, how about instead of going vegan, fast food places stop selling triple-decker burgers?
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ZolaLola
11/26/09

In reply to 30% Less Meat Healthier For Hearts, Planet
My only experience with Tofurky involved me scrubbing it off my friends kitchen walls. (It exploded, I didn't hurl it at the walls in carnivorous rage or anything!)

Besides, Tofu Turducken is far superior. The name is funny AND technically, I saved 3 animals from my belly. Delicious, though they are.

I should get bonus points for that, right?
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Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
11/26/09

@ZolaLola: I like the fake version better (of your story, that is). 'I don't like this fake turkey crap, and her's what I'm going to do with it!' (Blam!)
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ZolaLola
11/26/09

@Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!: HA! I probably would of, if I had the chance to eat it.

The stuff took the paint off the walls. If that doesn't mean Tofurky was crafted by the hands of Satan, I don't know what does. I'll stick to plain O' tofu, thank you very much.

Although, would Tofurky be considered an ORGANIC paint stripper?
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hellosunshine
11/27/09

@ZolaLola: I made a Tofurkey last year and really, really wanted to love it.

Nooooot so much.
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Scout
11/26/09

In reply to 30% Less Meat Healthier For Hearts, Planet
I say we force feed men tofurky (similar to that inhumane practice used on Geese for foie gras - only we come up with something nicer) so their sperm counts deplete and their fertility reduces HENCE causing natural birth control!

Don't Forget The Gravy! will take on an entirely new meaning.
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InABook
11/26/09

@Scout: Laptops and Mountain Dew can take care of it for us! no need to forcefeed soy products!
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Scout
11/26/09

@InABook: nice! very nice!
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Remedios Varo can't see no huevos.
11/25/09

In reply to 30% Less Meat Healthier For Hearts, Planet
Quorn's fake turkey is far superior to Tofurky. Just sayin'
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Percy
11/25/09

@Remedios Varo can't see no huevos.: My Thanksgiving Quorn is thawing in the fridge right now. I can't wait! I agree: much, much better than Tofurky. Who needs turkey, soy or real, when you have fungus-derived mycoprotein?
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Scout
11/25/09

@Remedios Varo can't see no huevos.: Quorn Rocks! (and now I'm getting a T-shirt that says just that)
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louwheeze
11/26/09

@Remedios Varo can't see no huevos.: my Quorn Turk'y roast was late in making it to my party... so I shouted....

QUOOOOOOOOOOOOOORN!!

a la Khan.
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girlarchaeologist
11/26/09

@Remedios Varo can't see no huevos.: Oh, how I wish I could get Quorn in Canada. So yummy, and far, far superior to grody Yves.
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Little_Mi
11/27/09

@Remedios Varo can't see no huevos.:

Hmmm, I'll be spending Chrimbo with the new boyfriend's parents. I will be requesting Quorn on Christmas day ... this is going to be fun, seeing as his father works in an abattoir. Wow, I'm going to be a hit! (There's no way that they're ever going to be wanting my crazy-hippy-animal-loving uterus housing any potential grandchildren.)
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SaturdaysChild
11/27/09

@Remedios Varo can't see no huevos.: Quorn scares me, frankly. Isn't it a fungus? Convince me that it's the shit, I really do want to like it, but still...
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Jetgirly
11/25/09

In reply to 30% Less Meat Healthier For Hearts, Planet
Last year for Christmas I made six vegetarian pot pies (from scratch, duh) and ate them for six nights straight. With lots of sides of lemon-ginger carrots and mashed potatoes. I remember eating turkey (it's been just over five years now) and it wasn't nearly as good as my pot pies!

My eating habits aside, I am disheartened by a lot of the comments in this thread. I believe that we would all benefit from making more concious eating choices. I certainly have yet to meet one single person in the world who couldn't sometimes make better food choices. Vegetarian, local, organic, low-carb, macrobiotic, whatever. The label isn't the important thing. There is ZERO point in arguing over whether a Tofurkey diet is worse than a Twizzlers diet or better than a free-range mutton diet. Open your mouth, eat the right food, then shut it again. End of story.
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sparklyharempants
11/25/09

@Jetgirly: Okay, lady. Now you have to spill those recipes! Or at least PM them to me... please?

All yumminess aside, I am with you. This isn't about 'you' and your love of meat -- it's about the saving the environment for future generations. No one needs to eat meat 3x a day, 7 days a week.

And for the record I don't get why a vegetarian would try to replace the taste of meat with a meat substitute, but I never really liked meat much in the first place anyway.
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InABook
11/26/09

@sparklyharempants: If I were to ever go vegetarian, it would be for environmental reasons. As it is, I LOVE meat, and am not planning to give it up, though I don't keep meat in my own apartment (I spend 5 days our of seven at my fiance's though, so I do eat meat for dinner most nights, never for breakfast though, and very rarely for lunch). If I were to give it up, I would crave it intensely, and I think fake meat would maybe help me stave off the cravings.
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Jetgirly
11/26/09

@sparklyharempants: I modified Ina Garten's recipe to suit my taste.

[www.foodnetwork.com]

Mainly, I skipped the Pernod and saffron, and then replaced the asparagus with frozen peas and the small onions with chopped red onion. I roasted all of the vegetables beforehand instead of boiling them. I also mooched pinches of all of the spices that went into the turkey's stuffing and added those flavours to the sauce.
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sparklyharempants
11/26/09

@Jetgirly: Duly noted -- Thanks! I love a pot pie w/ garlic mashed potatoes on a wintery day. #tips
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tiredfairy
11/25/09

In reply to 30% Less Meat Healthier For Hearts, Planet
Most veggie meat substitutes really don't taste like meat. I'm not a big fan of Tofurkey, but I've found some great facon, fausage, and a grilled ficken thing that taste nothing like meat, but have great seasonings you can pair with traditionally meat centric meals. I couldn't stand things like sausage and bacon even when I wasn't vegetarian, but now I can have a FLT (facon, lettuce, tomato) and get the spices and crunch.
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rhubarbarin
11/25/09

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The solution is not to eat less meat - it's to buy and eat sustainably-produced meat that is not fed on grains and soy.

[www.polyfacefarms.com]

The death of one cow (raised roaming free, eating grass and building the topsoil with its manure), gives me nutritious, body-building meat every day for nearly a year. While soy and wheat have destroyed every swamp, forest, bit of prairie, and countless species between Ohio and Utah. There is nothing moral about that.
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Scout
11/26/09

@rhubarbarin: agreed. promoted.
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Justine
11/26/09

@rhubarbarin: The solution must be to eat less meat, then... because I don't know about you, but if I bought only free range meat, the same amount of grocery money usually set aside for meat would purchase a much smaller amount of meat, therefore, I -- and I imagine many others -- would have to think long and hard about if I need as much meat as I had in my diet previously at the expense of other food items, or if I need meat at all.
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ediepop
11/26/09

@Justine: This is basically what we do in my house. We no longer buy supermarket meat and instead, buy organic, local meat from an independent master butchers. Does it cost more? Yes (but not as much as you'd think) Do we eat less meat? Yes. But what we do eat, tastes amazing and is far more environmentally sound than buying antibiotic filled crap from the supermarket. I never feel meat deprived - we buy cheaper cuts and have smaller portions.
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SUNNY1
11/25/09

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I call shenanigans. That's not tofu, it's pound cake!
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morninggloria
11/25/09

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I call this tofu-ckery.
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Snowbunny
11/25/09

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Our society is disgustingly meat obsessed. Look at any menu you can find, sometimes if you don't eat cheese you don't eat. It would be better for every thing if people ate 30% less meat, but especially for my palate when I eat out. Just sayin'.
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girlleastlikelyto
11/25/09

@Snowbunny: 'Tis true. I was trying to plan a party recently and one of the restaurants was a steakhouse that served 32-ounce steaks. The manager found out I am a vegetarian (I don't tend to volunteer the information because it leads to annoying conversations) and started going on about how the protein in meat helped the human brain evolve, blah blah blah. I replied that prehistoric people didn't have agriculture and that modern humans eat far more protein than is necessary. If people want to eat meat, whatever. I'm done arguing about it. I just wish they wouldn't try to justify their excesses.
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rhubarbarin
11/25/09

@girlleastlikelyto: If people don't want to eat meat, whatever. I just wish they would stop acting holier-than-thou and like I am trying to 'justify my excesses' when I offer some explanation why I feel like eating sustainably produced (non-feedlot) animal products is better for my health and the planet than supporting the endless fields of soy.
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Snowbunny
11/25/09

@girlleastlikelyto: I just wish they would stop making me have to justify myself. I really don't give a damn about what people who aren't me eat.
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girlleastlikelyto
11/25/09

@rhubarbarin: Do you think I'm talking about you? I am not. I'm talking about people who think 32-ounce steaks are reasonable and do not give a single thought about where their food comes from.

Anwyay, I've found that for many people a vegetarian is acting "holier-than-thou" simply by being a vegetarian and will start confrontations because I'm eating a veggie burger while minding my own business.
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rhubarbarin
11/25/09

@girlleastlikelyto: I eat 32 oz steaks on a regular basis. Delicious, and nutritious.

I can agree that people who don't give a thought to what they put in their bodies are.. unfortunate.

However, eating a diet composed almost entirely of animal products and getting roughly 300% of my 'recommended' daily saturated fat intake daily.. believe me, I get a lot of confrontational 'concern trolls' who interfere with my meal time because they need to tell me I am going to get sick or have a heart attack because I am not eating 300 grams of grains per day, and are convinced that drinking Silk soymilk and making sure to eat lots of those delicious sweet fruits is 'best' for me.

Two sides of the same coin.

#tips
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HBIC!
11/25/09

@rhubarbarin: The endless soy fields are mostly to feed livestock. And another large portion goes to making preservatives for junk food. Also, many vegetarians don't eat soy products. Let's be honest, being a vegetarian is generally better for your health and the environment. That doesn't mean there isn't a way to be environmentally responsible and healthy and eat meat, and that doesn't mean that there aren't vegetarians who eat irresponsibly, but generally speaking I think most people would agree.
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Snowbunny
11/25/09

@rhubarbarin: That's two pounds of meat. Color me impressed. The last time I ate two pounds of anything, much less solid protein, I spent the next four hours curled in a ball crying. It was mashed potatoes, fyi.
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Scout
11/26/09

@Snowbunny: may I suggest you start giving some kind of damn because the actions of others in this case of food production DO affect you, the environment, health and global economy.
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Snowbunny
11/26/09

@Scout: I'm doing much more than most people to help the environment by not eating meat. Frankly, I am doing more than my share and trying to convert anybody I know to do the same is just going to make them resistant to a meat free lifestyle. Vegetarianism is a personal decision somebody and while I can cook them vegetarian food and share my recipes with them, nagging is just an obnoxious waste of breath. I have other social issues I find more pressing, but since this is obviously yours you can rest assured I am doing everything I personally can.
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Scout
11/26/09

@Snowbunny: you certainly don't expect me to be a mind reader do you? You clearly wrote " I really don't give a damn about what people who aren't me eat " but then your post above indicates you actually DO care to some degree.

thanks for the clarification
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rhubarbarin
12/01/09

@Snowbunny: It's only 2 pounds before it's cooked. :) And I don't always eat the entire slab at once.

I'm a big eater, yes. But if I try to eat large portions of carbs, I can't - I get so bloated I am in pain.
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sjct
11/25/09

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I absolutely HATE fake meat! When I am eating vegetarian, I do not want to eat meat. If I find myself craving the look, the smell or the taste of meat then, doggonit, I eat some meat. Trying to fool your taste buds shows a lack of commitment to the very concept of being vegetarian!

I feel the same way about diet sodas and decaffienated coffee.
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NellMood
11/25/09

@sjct: Okay, I have to disagree with you there. I am VERY committed to being vegetarian, but occasionally crave the savory taste of specific meats. I don't avoid meat because I hate the taste- I don't eat meat because I think it's morally wrong to do so. Rather than giving up vegetarianism I eat a substitute. I'm not sure how eating a vegetarian product is a sign of failing commitment.
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girlleastlikelyto
11/25/09

@sjct: Well, that's strident! I'd say that the twelve years I've spent without eating any animals shows my commitment to being a vegetarian and it isn't undone by my scrambling eggs with a little soyrizo once in a while.

When I eat fake meat, it's not because I want to eat meat but because I want to eat fake meat. They don't really taste the same, for the most part. I didn't grow up a vegetarian, so there are certain dishes that I have attachments to that I can't make without fake meat.

I find it ironic that you go in and out of being a vegetarian and then criticize people who are fully vegetarian for eating fake meat. I don't see anything wrong with being a flexitarian, but it's certainly a strange position for someone to take.
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tiredfairy
11/25/09

@sjct: Okay so...don't eat them? Meat alternatives can help some people transition to being vegetarian , or eat less meat and be healthier. I've yet to find one that actually tasted like meat. They just make it easier to make meals that are often meat centric by having something that function as the protein. I've yet to eat a meat alternative that fooled the tastebuds. Plus, some of them really do taste good.

It doesn't go against being a vegetarian. That's kind of ridiculous. Vegetarianism is a varied diet that can include a lot of different foods.

As for decaffenated coffee, it just means it's less strong. It still has caffeine. Some people are really sensitive to it so a little less kick is fine. That's like saying everyone should only drink espresso.

Same thing with diet soda. I don't personally care for it, but some people can't have so much sugar, but still enjoy the fizz and taste of soda.

If you don't like those thing, you know, cool. But it's kinda weird to suggest people aren't "real" vegetarians if they like Tofurkey.
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NellMood
11/25/09

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I'm a vegetarian, and while I do occasionally enjoy a fake meat product or two, the ingredients list on those things is incredibly long. I can't imagine that super-processed stuff is that great for the planet, either. I'm not saying it's not better than meat- I think it's probably significantly better, but still, there's a lot of chemicals in some of that stuff.
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BestEuphemismEver
11/25/09

@NellMood: It's the excess packaging that always irks me. They wrap those things up cuddlier than a baby seal.
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NellMood
11/25/09

@BestEuphemismEver: Totally. I'm sort of obsessive about packaging. I don't need a cardboard sleeve wrapping a plastic thing, you know? It's just going immediately in the recycling bin.
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BestEuphemismEver
11/25/09

@NellMood: I channel my inner Grandpa Simpson and write the manufacturer a letter of complaint. Ok, I only sent one once, but I sure do have a lot of righteous fury.
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NellMood
11/25/09

@BestEuphemismEver: Yeah, my activism pretty much stops at my complaining about it aloud, package poised over the bin.

#tips
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banana_grabber
11/25/09

@NellMood: That kind of stuff actually got me out of being a vegetarian (which isn't to say that has to be everyone's decision). But, I started getting into local, non-processed food and my meat-loving husband was like, Boca burgers are more processed and less local than our next door neighbor that raises good steak. I didn't agree right away, but I started rethinking processed vegetarian food immediately!
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NellMood
11/25/09

@banana_grabber: Yeah, I think that's definitely true. I try not to eat too much super processed fake meat (even though I love it) because it's really not that responsible of a choice. I would still prefer to eat a Boca burger than eat a dead animal, but I don't think it's always the best choice as far as eating locally/responsibly. Fake meat is nowhere close to being my main protein source for those reasons.
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SgtMelbaToast
11/25/09

@NellMood: Yeah, I use this stuff as more of a seasoning than a replacement in most cases, or occasionally to participate in a good weenie roast, but in the name of eating healthier and with less impact I'm not trying to match the insanely high level of meat consumption in this country with high consumption of overly processed meat-like products!
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NellMood
11/25/09

@SgtMelbaToast: Exactly. Plus that stuff is expensive! I go for the cheap protein sources like legumes for the most part.

#tips
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Bitingpika
11/25/09

In reply to 30% Less Meat Healthier For Hearts, Planet
Celebration roast is way better.

[www.fieldroast.com]
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GirlFailer
11/25/09

@Bitingpika: I love that they have a "celebration loaf" too. Sounds like something I'd name particularly relieving bowel movement after traveling for a week.
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Bitingpika
11/25/09

@GirlFailer: Um. Ew. I'm actually serving that for Thanksgiving Dinner.
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GirlFailer
11/25/09

@Bitingpika: Sorry! I'm sure it will taste wonderful. They should have stuck with Celebration NotMeatloaf.
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Snowbunny
11/25/09

@Bitingpika: They sell it at a shop like two miles down the road, maybe I'll get some for my Christmas party.
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LadyNo Fondles Sweaters
11/25/09

Yeah, many vegetarians I know prefer that to Tofurkey, but god damn if the name isn't boring in comparison.
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Edited by LadyNo Fondles Sweaters at 11/25/09 7:09 PM

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