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randomnessish
12/11/09

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Holy shit. Crystal Renn. Omg. So. Hot. I'm not a lesbian but I would not mind seeing that every day when I wake up in the morning.
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BetteD
12/11/09

@randomnessish: No shit. Jez Editors: If you want me to read the text of a post, you need to put that picture at the end. Otherwise I will never get to it, because I will have drowned in my own drool.
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randomnessish
12/11/09

@BetteD: Haa! Or just make that the main picture for each post so I'll definitely click it--that's one way to up traffic. Better yet, it can be the main picture, the picture at the end, and they can just replace any other pictures throughout the post with THIS PICTURE.
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sybann
12/11/09

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That is one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen in my entire life. I wish ALL models looked like this. I feel sorry for most of them - take that Lagerfeld.
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Le Kangourou de Kataroo
12/11/09

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I would like a large poster of that Renn picture for my wall. It's one of the most amazing shots I've seen in a magazine in a while.
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eatsshootsleaves
12/11/09

@Le Kangourou de Kataroo: She looks like a brunette Marilyn Monroe.
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the.bleach
12/11/09

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Crystal Renn's body makes my day. In a way that has nothing whatsoever to do with measurements, size 8, plusness, anything. She is like the Bridget Bardot of this decade--I just want to see her, and see her, and see her some more.
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Alessar
12/11/09

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Is there such a thing as a plus-sized model for men in "high fashion"? I get the JCP Big & Tall catalog and they definitely have bigger guys - sometimes besweatered football players are on the cover - but I figured it was a niche job, catalog only work. What if a guy is too tall or has too big of a torso/waist (even from, say, muscle)?
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roslyn taber
12/11/09

@Alessar: i read an interview with Armani where he was doing a show in Houston, and it was hard for him to find models that he wanted because all the men were too tall and muscular. so i'd imagine it's a similar situation.
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Alessar
12/11/09

@roslyn taber: Interesting. I was reading a male model's blog a while back (it's sort of half modeling, half fitness) and he posted some pics and said they were "off season" and he needed to lose 15# from that. The thing is, he was buff and ripped like crazy already and I couldn't see where he could possibly lose it except from muscle mass. So on the one hand the models showing up for the Armani event you mention didn't know they were "too big" but this other guy knew he overshot what was desirable. It makes me infer that there's a range that's considered standard but that there's not the explicit concept of "plus."
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
12/11/09

@Alessar: Then he should come buy me a drink.
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Lizard in the Wires - Please, call it hamburger time.
12/11/09

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Was Lagerfeld such an asshole when he was fat?

I mean, yes, he's a bitch. But think about how hungry he must be (his diet plan is low on the noms). I'd be a bitch too.
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braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
12/11/09

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No one wants to see curvy women.

Karl Lagerfield: you are an idiot.
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snark_shark
12/11/09

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Although I agree with the reservations everyone's mentioned, I still think this is a good thing. The prevailing attitude is that it doesn't matter if I (0r any other fat woman) do my hair all nice, makeup, stylish clothes etc. because fat=ugly. While models like Crystal Renn are smaller and prettier than I am, their presence still challenges that bullshit paradigm, and that makes me happy.
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euterpe35
12/11/09

@snark_shark: yeah. I'm a fat woman, too. And I've overheard this comment at least 5 times the past year regarding fat women who work at being stylish: "like putting nailpolish on a pig"

That attitude won't stop me from trying, though, because I like pretty things and I like dressing well.
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yvanehtnioj
12/11/09

@euterpe35: Or it's fake-nice comment cousin: "You have such a pretty face."
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Fishbear
12/11/09

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Incremental change. It's not so bad.
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JanaNye
12/11/09

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Interestingly, Crystal Renn used to be anorexic.
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hortense
12/11/09

@JanaNye: Yes, we've covered her ED before.
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JanaNye
12/11/09

@hortense: I habitually make comments on things that have already been covered. I'm a newbie. ;)
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hortense
12/11/09

@JanaNye: Ah, it happens. No worries.
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CollegeCamel
12/11/09

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Cons be damned, that picture of Crystal Renn makes me feel SO much better about the winter/finals layer that I have recently accumulated.
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andyburn
12/11/09

@CollegeCamel: I was just thinking the same thing. She looks so good.
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Alessar
12/11/09

@andyburn: I think she looks beautiful and healthy.
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
12/11/09

@CollegeCamel: Not me, 'cause it reminds me I have *got* to exfoliate.
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sarasasa
12/11/09

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Fake plus-size revolution is boring. So I have the same body as Crystal Renn (when she's not photoshopped), so what? I'm still fat, because the other thousands of issues of the exact same magazine say so. It's still "bad", because the other thousands of issues are trying to help me lose weight. And even if my body becomes "good", that just means a whole other range of bodies has just become "bad". And as long as there are types of bodies, be them skinny as a rail, or curvy with boobs, determining how "real" women should look, it's going to keep on being that way. I refuse to rejoice in their condescending and pathetic attempt to "celebrate all body types".

So you know what? Fuck modeling, period. Models will never represent me, nor the majority of the population, let's all collectively stop wishing they did. Women are not either Crystal Renn or Kate Moss.
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HistoricUpstart
12/11/09

@sarasasa: Wow. Well said!
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bess marvin, girl detective
12/11/09

@sarasasa: but that's the problem. models aren't supposed to represent everyone, so the biggest issue is people looking up to them trying to emulate rather than saying "oh she looks really nice."
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Scout
12/11/09

@sarasasa: and models WILL never represent a majority of the population but that doesn't mean we shouldn't demand that they are more closely representative because, as bess marvin girl said, young girls/women try to emulate them.
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marks-alot
12/11/09

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Wandering out on a limb here, and I know nothing about the limb, and it is likely to get cut off, but I am baffled by these magazines. There are almost constant complaints about these magazines, the models, their not-so-various sizes, and the effects on body consciousness and esteem issues. I think men would look at Renn and think, "she's hot" or look at a skinny airbrushed model and think, "she's hot" but large numbers of men aren't buying the magazines. Women are the target audience, but then (some) women complain about them.

It may be lack of interest in fashion, that causes my lack of understanding. I am not attempting to be snarky or flippant, but I don't know why people don't just ignore these magazines.
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maude_flanders
12/11/09

@marks-alot: I agree with you to some extent, but we complain because the magazines still shape the culture the otherwise disinterested have to live in or raise their kids in.

I also enjoy fashion (to a point--not the overpriced crap featured in these magazines, necessarily), or at least, actually appreciate that there are specific types of clothes I like/want to wear.

It's still a lucrative industry; the idea of someone profiting in part by setting insane weight standards and other ridiculous conditions that "models" must meet in order to work and the incidence of sexual abuse/harassment that permeates the industry are grotesque. It's the same with the entertainment industry. I enjoy movies, but I still dislike the idea that dastardly behavior and inhuman beauty standards are the norm. Even if I stop seeing movies and vote against the industry with my ticket dollars, studios, sleazy agents, producers, directors, etc. won't suffer.

That's why we still complain.
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bess marvin, girl detective
12/11/09

@maude_flanders: but the reason why these so-called "sleazy" producers, studios, directors won't suffer is because others simply don't share your views. so the continued success of the magazine industry is other women simply not sharing (or caring enough to stop subscribing and buying) your view of seeing more varied bodies
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maude_flanders
12/11/09

@bess marvin, girl detective: Hence my note on the "otherwise disinterested" and the culture we live it....there are less people who object enough to stop buying magazines
than who do.

I don't expect fashion (or the entertainment industry) to change from the outside. If anything the "ideal" body is 34-24-34 (what is that, a size 0, and maybe a size 4-6 to account for the breast measurement?) because it's so starkly different from the typical body type of the women buying magazines and lusting after cuts and styles they see in magazines.

If women take offense, the fashion industry doesn't care; if the sleek size 0 in a couture dress is appealing to the observer, or at least, doesn't disturb the target audience or draw negative attention...that's all editors and the industry need to keep telling every size 2 teen model that walks into their office to drop 20 pounds.
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marks-alot
12/11/09

@maude_flanders: I agree that this shapes the culture in which we live and raise our kids, but why do they have to shape the culture, and how can we get that to change? I would think that it would have to be with dollars and subscription rates.

What motivation do they have to change from the inside as long as they are not losing money/readers?
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hollygirl
12/11/09

@marks-alot: I agree with you, and have said the same things here; if you hate those magazines so much - STOP READING THEM and get on with defining what you want to look like or aspire to yourself. Stop waiting for weirdo editors and publishers to give you a self image! There are so many more important issue to get upset about.
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maude_flanders
12/11/09

@marks-alot: I would think that it would have to be with dollars and subscription rates." Like I (and bess) said--there are more people who either don't care, aren't offended, or like what they see--than not.

At best, the magazines are a relaxing bit of escapism....now they're just overpriced catalogs (okay, they were before, but with a little less bullshit).

Perhaps not surprisingly better women's mags like "Jane" and "Sassy" have died.
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colormeroutine
12/11/09

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"Big, little, pint-size, plus-size — every body is beautiful. And this issue is out to prove it."
Um, if this was true (or people really believed it to be true) the entire modeling industry would cease to exist. Which I think is at the real root of the issue; why would an industry really work to promote an ideal that doesn't benefit them?
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flufffox
12/11/09

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Crystal is so much closer to my own personal beauty ideal. I hope these kind of issues or simply "plus-sized" editorials will eventually become normal en frequent. It's a relief to see a little more diversity.
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