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    Image of otennant38001 otennant38001
    12/19/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    Every time I read Lara Stone being described as "curvy" or "voluptuous" I indulge myself in a brief fantasy in which Christina Hendricks breaks into the Vogue offices and sits on Anna Wintour.
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    Image of pointfivejew pointfivejew
    12/19/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    This right here? THIS makes me glad that my career is one based on how smart I am, not how pretty I am. I mean, yeah, I make science and mass spectrometry look awesome because I'm kind of cute, but when it comes down to the real fucking nitty gritty, it's all about my brain. And that's the most gorgeous thing I've got going on, man.

    And a size 4? Fat? Reall? That's cool. I'm going to keep on eating these Trader Joe's Candy Cane Joe Joe cookies, since I'm already waaaaaaaaaaaaaay past that fat mark with my size 14 self. Nothin' but net. What, what.
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    12/19/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    Ughh...every time I read something about this woman and her "curves," I have to just say to my computer screen, "Oh, BOO." I understand that she often has a hard time because the fashion industry is just that selective, and even a wisp of boob or hip or butt is detrimental to a whole career. But what I find so glaringly absent is that...Lara never seems to realize, or at least openly say, "You know, if it's been tough for me, imagine what it's like for 'plus sized' models...and more importantly, average sized women!" The focus is always on her, and it's just become a whiny nuisance, especially since it's not like she's a struggling model.
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    Image of That_little_attention_whore That_little_attention_whore
    12/19/09

    @straightbuggin: a little self-awareness goes a long way....
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    Image of koalaholic koalaholic
    12/19/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    Lara seems like a very fragile person. Not trying to be snarky, but maybe she should consider a different career. You feel sad when people criticize your body. I can understand, but why go into this profession? Try being a teacher, or a doctor, or any other job that isn't solely based on appearance and the ability to fit into small clothes.

    I don't give a damn about models, or fashion mags. I'm not sure why Jezebel seems so hell-bent on changing an industry that values looks above all else.
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    Image of UritBarlow UritBarlow
    12/18/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    ugh, this strikes a cord for me. I work in TV sometimes and I've had female celebs and lady correspondents say things like "luscious" and "curvy" to refer to me, which I know to them is code word for FAT. And I'm a size 4 and 5'5. It's crazy.

    I feel fat whenever I have to stand in proximity to these skeletor TV personalities or when i see myself on a TV segment. And don't get me started on the bones on parade fiascos that are red carpets for award shows. Seriously, I feel like an elephant standing next to Giuliana or the Extra ladies.
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    Image of cirocco cirocco
    12/19/09

    @UritBarlow: Man, I'm tired of people taking Skeletor's name in vain when grasping for a derogatory word for thin women. Skeletor is not bony. Skeletor is a wall of muscle.
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    Image of Faster Pussycat Faster Pussycat
    12/19/09

    @UritBarlow: @cirocco: Man, I'm tired of people grasping for a derogatory word for thin women.
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    Image of MaryQContrary MaryQContrary
    12/19/09

    @cirocco: Fuck yeah! Now, Jack Skellington, THAT'S appropriate here.
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    Image of asparaguss59 asparaguss59
    12/18/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    This is such an absolute joke. The anorexia-pushers of the fashion industry have really had their way, haven't they? They've pushed the siz standard down, down, down, until someone like Stone, who is underweight, is seen as "curvy." So they win no matter what. Even if the magazine uses a supposed "curvy" model, they've only budged an inch, and are still within where they want to be -- still skinny.

    Next, year, it will be "when size 2 is too big."

    Not to mention, the plus-size models mentioned in the other article are size 10/12s, which is really skinny too. It's the same thing. The OH MY GOD use of a plus-size model is actually just using someone who used to be standard size. Crystal looks like a skinny model in most of her layouts. And Amy Lemons was in Glamour a month ago, but no one even knew she was plus -- that's how skinny she is. What a joke. That's not representation. That's still a thin look.

    Not until magazines start features genuinely full-figured models, size 16 or up, and allow them to LOOK full-figured, will there actually be any progress.
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    yvanehtnioj promoted this comment eatsshootsleaves approved this comment asparaguss59 was starred asparaguss59 was unstarred
    Image of Rooo sez BISH PLZ Rooo sez BISH PLZ
    12/18/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    "Did she fling her arms in the air, too, Vogue? Because limb amputation sounds almost as painful as reading that sentence!) "
    *snerk* ILU just for this, Jenna.
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    12/18/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    "and the stylist took out this tight corset dress and said, 'Here, put it on,' and I was like, 'Who are you kidding?' There was no way, so that was very rude of her."

    Why is this rude? How was the stylist supposed to know it wouldn't fit?
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    angelheadedhipster promoted this comment Sadako was starred Sadako was unstarred
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    12/18/09

    @Sadako: Uh, because she's a stylist? And it's her job to know how clothes will look on people/if someone's breasts won't fit in a corset top?
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    Image of Sadako Sadako
    12/18/09

    @angelheadedhipster: Um, yeah but if it's just slightly too small, how is she supposed to know? I don't see the big deal in waiting till the person tries it on and then reacting when you see it's small. If she's upset about trying on something too small, maybe she needs to be a little thicker skinned. It IS her job as a model to wear clothes.
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    Image of jeepchic jeepchic
    12/18/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    Why not give up on models and send mannequins down the runway on a conveyor belt? Provided, of course, that they are extra tall and extra thin. Voila! No more "fat" models.
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    Image of raineesue raineesue
    12/18/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    While I do agree that the modeling industry needs a boot to the head -- the business is looks-based. When you become a model, you KNOW that your livelihood is connected intricately to your body size and shape, and that a sea change regarding the "ideal" can mean you have to change your whole lifestyle to stay employable.

    She should try being a real live fat girl, where you get judged on your looks in cases where they don't actually matter. Try getting passed over for promotions you are more qualified for, getting less attentive and polite service in stores and restaurants, being treated like a second-class citizen in almost every aspect of your life.

    It's judgmental and wrong and stupid, yes, but SHE SIGNED UP FOR IT. The rest of us, the genuine "plus size" girls, did NOT.
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    Cafezinha promoted this comment Jenna approved this comment raineesue was starred raineesue was unstarred
    Image of RedLantern RedLantern
    12/19/09

    @raineesue: Agreed. I get a little tired of women who gain a lot, at least financially, from our society's narrow beauty standards, and then cry foul the minute it doesn't work for them. Bottom line, models may be more dependent on their looks in every way than most of us, but for them living in such a superficial world has both pros and cons. For the rest of us, it only has cons. I can't get too worked up over someone suggesting she try on a dress that didn't fit.
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    Cafezinha promoted this comment RedLantern was starred RedLantern was unstarred
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    12/18/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    Yeah, clearly....
    [4.bp.blogspot.com]
    WHAT!?@
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    Image of STICKSnSCONES STICKSnSCONES
    12/18/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    The Vogue article states that she is 5'10 rather than 5'7. I would think this makes her even less atypical than the article conveys.
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    Image of guesskeyair guesskeyair
    12/18/09

    @STICKSnSCONES: I've seen her in person and she is definitely not 5'10". Vogue is printing what's on her comp card but it's common for agencies to lie about models' heights, often by as much as three inches. 5'7" sounds right to me, FWIW.
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    12/18/09

    @guesskeyair: Wow... they'll lie that much? That just doesn't seem like a good idea. If you send someone you said was 5'10" and that's what they want, but they get 5'7" why would you trust anything they say after that? I'm all for rounding up, but to the nearest 10th is a bit much.
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    Image of Valkyrie607 Valkyrie607
    12/18/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    "It's like, come on, she's a woman; whether you're buying jeans at the mall or wearing couture, you know what it's like for clothes not to fit. It's not an easy kind of rejection, because it's very personal. It's you, your body. You take it to heart."

    --Lara Stone

    Preach it, sister! So many times I've found myself in a department store dressing room, surrounded by empty hangers and crumpled clothes, red-faced, sweaty, and cursing. I can't imagine doing that in front of a camera, for money. It's traumatic enough when it's just me and the mirror, and I am NOT at all fat.
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    12/18/09

    @Valkyrie607: yes, I find comfort in the fact that even models take it personally when things don't fit. at least my job doesn't depend on it when my fat ass can't squeeze into the size I fantasize it should!
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    Image of Rooo sez BISH PLZ Rooo sez BISH PLZ
    12/18/09

    @Valkyrie607: I have to chant it like a mantra: "It's the clothes, it's not me. It's the clothes, it's not me."

    I have broad shoulders, and it made me feel better thinking about it when I put something on that was too tight there, that it wasn't that my shoulders were fat, it's that they made the piece for narrow-shouldered women.

    I hate that when clothes are made based on a specific size - and shape - mannequin that's only going to fit people who match that shape, that we women are whipped and beaten and flogged into feeling it's our bodies, not the clothes, that are wrong.

    Hate it.
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    Image of Valkyrie607 Valkyrie607
    12/18/09

    @Rooo sez BISH PLZ: I long for the day when I can employ my own personal tailor.
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    Image of lisas lisas
    12/18/09

    @Valkyrie607: Have you learned nothing from Disney, woman? Just befriend all the clever little woodland creatures nearby and they'll do it for you. Ta da
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    Image of That_little_attention_whore That_little_attention_whore
    12/19/09

    @Rooo sez BISH PLZ: it took me a long time to get to the point where I don't take it personally when clothes don't fit me, but now I can say I don't. years of swimming competitively have left me with, um, interesting proportions, and having that short leg/long torso combo might work well in the water, but in the fitting room, it is less than fun.

    and, yeah, for the longest time I would lament my short legs or broad shoulders, and it took years of conscious effort for me to remember "it's not that I am not made for these pants; these pants were not made for me." and, at some point I knew it clicked when, one day, when I was trying on clothes with a friend, and had yet another pair of pants not fit, instead of wringing my hands in frustration about the circumference of my thighs and my slow-set arse, I just took the pants off, put them back on the hanger, and walking out of the fitting room, said to my friend "these pants are stupid."

    So, if I can have that breakthrough, I am convinced anyone can. The designer didn't make this article of clothing with your figure in mind? the nerve! that's certainly their problem, not yours.
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    12/19/09

    @That_little_attention_whore: I'm doing my best to reach that point myself, but when you spend half an hour in a store to find something that even has your supposed "size" on the tag, and then you can barely even get it past your knees...

    I think the ability to say "it's the clothes, not me" is very closely related to how often you find clothes that do fit. For someone like me, who can spend two hours in a supposed "plus size" store like Lane Bryant or Torrid and still come out empty-handed... it's a lot harder.

    (Caveat: I need to lose weight -- serious weight. For health reasons, not just looks. But damn, I could at least have the opportunity to not look a total scrub in the meantime.)
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    Image of Louisa Smith Louisa Smith
    12/19/09

    @Rooo sez BISH PLZ: I work as a tailor, and in my work I heard an interesting quotation that I'm afraid I'm not able to properly attribute: when women's clothes don't fit, they assume there's something wrong with their bodies. When men's clothes don't fit, they call the tailor.

    Unfortunately, most women's ready to wear is not designed to be able to be altered easily. Our fashions go in and out of style so quickly that they're made as cheaply as possible, with tiny seam allowances and techniques that aren't easily replicated outside of a factory. The beginning of healthier body images might be more custom-made clothes, either made at home or with the help of alterations shops.
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    That_little_attention_whore promoted this comment yvanehtnioj approved this comment Louisa Smith was starred Louisa Smith was unstarred
    Image of That_little_attention_whore That_little_attention_whore
    12/19/09

    @raineesue: that sucks. I still don't understand why some sizes - worn by many, many American women - have to be relegated to a few specialty stores. And how many people fit into a size 0, and you find that shit *everywhere* (usually on the sale rack, too!). WTF, American retailers - do they not know who their customers are?
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    12/18/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    Body diversity is a serious issue in magazines. But Lara Stone is highly successful - wasn't she in the top 10 models of the decade post? I would rather hear from models who are struggling because of their size and dimensions. Though I think it is interesting to read about the pressures of the industry and Stone's struggle with addiction, I can't quite figure out what what the article is trying to say about Stone's success. To me it seems that Stone's success is due in part to her unusual look - and her proportions add to that. So - be different. But not too different. Be similar but not the same. Lara Stone seems to walk that line well.

    I'd also be interested to hear what she thinks about racial diversity in the industry. As far as I'm concerned, no one involved in that shoot gets an out.
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    12/18/09

    In reply to "You Know They Mean 'Fat':" Lara Stone, Crystal Renn, And Body Diversity
    She seems to suffer as a result of her career (drinking problems, pills, body snarking in the hands of insensitive jerks, etc.). Why would she remain in the profession then? I am seriously asking this, because I did suffer in my career of choice in the past... and switched to something I loved. It wasn't easy, but certainly someone with her degree of fame and access to people/ places and wealth could do it. I wonder what compels someone to stay doing something they could change. It's not that, unlike most common folks, she doesn't have options.
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    12/18/09

    @Edna Sednitzer: Well she has been going the modeling route for a pretty long time, perhaps to the detriment of developing other skillsets that would make her hireable in other professions. Making money is tied to her looks and her youth, so it is probably hard to back away from that when you know you only have a limited timeframe to exploit those looks. Like, better make your money now because there's a good chance you won't be booking any jobs in 5 years. I get why she would stay, even if as you say, it is harming her.
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    12/18/09

    @Edna Sednitzer: Maybe she doesn't think she could make the same money or live the same life style outside of modeling. There are a lot of my friends who hate their jobs in finance but are scared to leave due to the money.
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    12/18/09

    @badmutha: That I can understand for your friends (that's why I mentioned about regular people not having the same options) but certainly after being as famous as she is. she could probably switch to something else after some careful planning.

    Besides, let's be honest, for people in regular jobs, a step down to change careers might not be realistic (how does one step down from an already low salary?). But for someone earning what a model with her name recognition earns, it surely is an option, even if it means being tighter for a while until the new career gains momentum.
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    Image of doit2julia doit2julia
    12/18/09

    @Edna Sednitzer: I exited the modeling industry pretty quickly & continue to want to smack people who act as though I'm foolish for eschewing that pursuit. At the age when most girls are only critical of their bodies, I felt utterly blessed in mine. But that confidence could be dashed in the space of a few go-sees. A pimple was no longer just a pimple. It was bad workweek. When I could walk past a mirror without checking for flaws, it was time to get out. I was well aware of the financial opportunities, but the feeling of being comfortable & confident in my own skin was worth a lot more.
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