I play WoW, and my first character was female. I started playing a male character too (you can have more than one) and there's definitely a different. I got invited to more groups, was asked for quest help more, etc etc. I never tell anyone in-game that I'm a girl if i can help it.
The biggest problem I have with this particular topic is that there are a lot of games made to appeal to (young) girls now, like the Ubisoft Imagine series or puzzle games - and "hardcore" or "serious" gamers make fun of them and treat them like they don't really count as "games". Even something like this video seems to be saying "Sure casual games are lame, but if we tolerate them maybe the laydeez will start playing Halo eventually." Honestly, I don't think that's going to happen - at least not on a large scale.
When I was young I determined that platformers, puzzle games, fighting games, and RPGs were fun. I pretty much stick to those types of games now as an adult. I may try a shooter if the premise seems especially interesting, but by and large they don't interest me. I tend to think that the woman in her 30s who plays Bejeweled all day is highly unlikely to ever branch out into a different type of game from what she has already determined she likes. It's just far, far too big a leap to go from playing a colorful pick-up-and-play puzzler to a gritty space marine epic. Even with male gamers, there's plenty who have a particular genre or two they won't touch as a matter of course, so it really shouldn't come as much of a surprise to them that the lady who likes Nintendogs and Cake Mania is probably never going to move on to Street Fighter.
That said, I really doubt the "hardcore" game market is going to dry up anytime soon even if the casual market expands. Yet to hear some of these dudes go on, you'd think casual games are going to "kill" the video game industry. They need to just deal with the fact that they exist and get over it - their gritty space marine epics will still be around, too.
@unsecretcrush: Ugh, yes, this. I am terrible at games in general, didn't really play them much as a kid...except for Streets of Rage and Sonic2. As an adult, I like games like Animal Crossing and sometimes just plain old shoot 'em ups. That's about it. My husband is definitely a "hardcore" gamer and it bothers him no end the way women are treated in the industry, especially as players. As he puts it "Some little old lady playing Wii Bowling does not effect my enjoyment of either WoW or Bioshock. These guys need to shut up and grow up."
My husband is a game designer and currently works on an MMPORG aimed at casual players and kids. They gave a -lot- of thought to girls and women when they created the world, constructed the games, designed characters, and did things like opt-in battles so you don't have to fight unless you want to. You can do lots of other things, if that's what you're into. Which is often not the case in stuff like WoW.
That aspect, along with the casual nature of the games, the friendly environment, and the lack of trying to pigeonhole "girly" things, but make them available as an option, meant that it tested well and is played by quite a few girls and women.
A lot of the problem with any industry like this (and I'd put my own, plus film and other entertainment mediums in this) that can be very male dominated is that they're often just hostile to women. I've heard nightmare stories about women who played anonymously in guilds in various games that, when their gender was discovered, ended up harassed sexually/verbally, until they left. And women players often have to prove themselves in a way male players don't, because it's not based on their gender. They might have to prove themselves as a player...but not as a man. For women, they have to prove themselves as a girl-gamer.
"more women own video game consoles than men"
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I feel like I live a sheltered existence.
I know 1 woman that owns a game console and its only because she was given it free at work.
Who are all these women?
@veronykah: My sister has a Wii and she's the ultimate stereotype of a non-gaming woman. She loves dancing games in particular, as well as Mario Kart and Guitar Hero (which is amazing to me because it's finally introducing her to music that isn't horrible manufactured pop and faux-RnB, her usual staples!).I'll admit though that most of my gaming friends are men; other than myself (who co-owns a Wii and Xbox 360 with the boy), none of my girl friends have consoles.
I'm a hardcore gamer and most of the time I can't stand playing anything on XBox Live. Being a black female I have to usually deal with rampant racism, sexism and homophobia from a little kid who's losing in Halo. But honestly, games are a helluva lot better now about how they treat women than, say, fifteen years ago. Now we have Portal, Half-Life 2, Left for Dead, Resident Evil and there's a pretty anticipated 2-d game with a female protagonist coming out pretty soon as well. Generally female representation in gaming is still lacking, but it's making progress.
With all of the "character creation" options in games these days, it would be nice if there were more selections available for those that didn't want to fit into some fantasy stereotype. You're always going to have an unfortunate, stereotypically-geeky, feeble guy who wants a beefy avatar and a meek, self-judged-unattractive girl who wants a "beautiful" voluptuous character to play. But yeah, more options in the middle, please.
They forgot to mention one thing about Lara Croft: She's also known as being infernally hard to steer. "Whats this? you want to fall off the cliff? Fine. Be that way."
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I tend to stay away from games where the main character I'm playing is female. True story, I'm about half way through Metroid once and my ex dropped the bomb that I was playing a female character. I played a little longer then put it down. Eventually I sold it. Sure, when it came to Portal I sucked it up, but the game was just worth it. I really have no idea why I'm like this.
I am trying to get over this. When I'm playing Fallout 3 I do play as a female character. I'm ashamed to admit I have the Black Widow Perk, though.
@GazpachoKitty: That's interesting. I usually prefer playing a female or gender-neutral character (and I am female) but was always curious why my one brother seemed to prefer to play as a female character. Finally, I just figured it was one of those quirks that made him cool.
I'd also say part of the problem is video game developers making games they THINK apply to girls.. meaning pink sparkles and ponies... Hanna Montana PSPs, Babiez, etc..
NinjaTheory got it right with Heavenly Sword though, I have to say that it's quite liberating for me to show my 5 year old girl a female protagonist that's not either 'girlie-girl' or a weak idiot.
@elysse: I think the other problem with the girls=pink marketing strategy is that it tries to make women out to be some other species. Just make good games that aren't deliberately geared for male gaze and it will be all good.
I work for a casual gaming company, our players skew ridiculously female, our employees skew ridiculously male. Most of them refuse to listen to the opinions of the women that work here when it comes to games, there isn't even a woman on the game planning committee anymore. But, most of the management here won't listen to anyone's opinion other than their own so, it might not be a gender problem so much as a jerk problem.
@lucyjae: I'm the (new!) marketing director for a small game company - and the only woman. I'm curious to see how it plays out, I know a lot of stories like yours.
Aside from marketing strategies at the top level, I think a lot of the desire to accept lady-gamers needs to come from the dude-gamers themselves. And, as mentioned in the video, those women who do try to exploit gamerness for attention need to cut it out. If I play a video game in an online server, it takes a long time to get any respect as a player. Sometimes, dudes start being a dick just because they find out you're a girl--which is why i have a gender-ambiguous steam name. But I think that if both the exploitative women and douche bag men chill out, that would make things get better a lot more quickly in the gaming environment.
God of War is one of my favorite video game series EVER, but there are some really lame group sex cut scenes/mini-games that are completely gratuitous. I bet some women got to that point and quit playing it entirely. The rest of it is so awesome that it just really sucks for them to put that crap in there.
My boyfriend is a hardcore gamer so I am always exposed to whatever game/s he is playing at the moment. In every game I have ever seen, the female characters are always skinny with giant breasts. Many of his games have codes you can enter that will allow the gamer to remove the clothes of the female characters. So essentially you have a bunch of naked chics running around the game. It all seems pretty male-centric to me.
@Cherry Blossom Girl: Take it from someone who plays a lot of games, they're not all like that. A lot of games that are lady friendly (and not fashion,baby or pony related) get ignored, but they do exist.
There are lots of female gamers, they just aren't recognized. And that 'hardcore' label is just BS that the male-dominated industry restricted to games that aren't, for whatever reason, played as much by women - FPS's, war games, etc. It used to be that a hardcore gamer just meant you spent a lot of time playing games. I'm a woman and I do that, but then the term got even more restrictive, to mean only action games - RPGs don't count, and a lot of women like RPGs and adventure(including me).
@lijakaca: Yeah, that is just so true. They not only define what "hardcore" is, but they also act like only hardcore gamers matter when what these companies need to be looking at is that some of the games that more girls and women tend to play end up making a LOT of money. If they are businesses who want to make money, they might want to tune in to that...or are you telling me that the market doesn't correct everything?
@lijakaca: Yeah I hate the idea of a "hardcore" gamer. I play video games everyday and just because I'm not headshotting nazis or aliens means I'm not a "real" gamer? Fuck that.
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When I was young I determined that platformers, puzzle games, fighting games, and RPGs were fun. I pretty much stick to those types of games now as an adult. I may try a shooter if the premise seems especially interesting, but by and large they don't interest me. I tend to think that the woman in her 30s who plays Bejeweled all day is highly unlikely to ever branch out into a different type of game from what she has already determined she likes. It's just far, far too big a leap to go from playing a colorful pick-up-and-play puzzler to a gritty space marine epic. Even with male gamers, there's plenty who have a particular genre or two they won't touch as a matter of course, so it really shouldn't come as much of a surprise to them that the lady who likes Nintendogs and Cake Mania is probably never going to move on to Street Fighter.
That said, I really doubt the "hardcore" game market is going to dry up anytime soon even if the casual market expands. Yet to hear some of these dudes go on, you'd think casual games are going to "kill" the video game industry. They need to just deal with the fact that they exist and get over it - their gritty space marine epics will still be around, too.
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That aspect, along with the casual nature of the games, the friendly environment, and the lack of trying to pigeonhole "girly" things, but make them available as an option, meant that it tested well and is played by quite a few girls and women.
A lot of the problem with any industry like this (and I'd put my own, plus film and other entertainment mediums in this) that can be very male dominated is that they're often just hostile to women. I've heard nightmare stories about women who played anonymously in guilds in various games that, when their gender was discovered, ended up harassed sexually/verbally, until they left. And women players often have to prove themselves in a way male players don't, because it's not based on their gender. They might have to prove themselves as a player...but not as a man. For women, they have to prove themselves as a girl-gamer.
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Really?
I feel like I live a sheltered existence.
I know 1 woman that owns a game console and its only because she was given it free at work.
Who are all these women?
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I tend to stay away from games where the main character I'm playing is female. True story, I'm about half way through Metroid once and my ex dropped the bomb that I was playing a female character. I played a little longer then put it down. Eventually I sold it. Sure, when it came to Portal I sucked it up, but the game was just worth it. I really have no idea why I'm like this.
I am trying to get over this. When I'm playing Fallout 3 I do play as a female character. I'm ashamed to admit I have the Black Widow Perk, though.
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NinjaTheory got it right with Heavenly Sword though, I have to say that it's quite liberating for me to show my 5 year old girl a female protagonist that's not either 'girlie-girl' or a weak idiot.
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Hey! Don't forget the creepy little girls in gaming!
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