If the show wasn't trying to exploit the overweight as freaks, you won't know one of the contestants was a virgin. What does that have to do with losing weight to be healthy?
In the same vein as the new show, More To Love, I think what frustrates me about this show is the idea that we have to segregate body types. The mindset of, "Oh, we have all the thin and notquiteasthin-curvy-athletic-whatever... over here, and all the rest of you get in the other line". I'm glad to see people dancing and having fun. Dancing is a great way to workout and, therefore, lose weight. I just wish we could have a show with dancing/performing for all body types without having to tempt the 'fat people' with 'fat foods'.
I find what the third judge said to her a little offensive. Am I alone here? There was something about the way he said it, like knowing how to move your body or your butt was a trait you would need only for stripping, that seemed to hierarchize certain ranges of motion over others... I don't know it just bothered me.
But then again, the premise for the entire show is kind of offensive. Where i'm from it's no surprise that larger people can move. In fact most of the time, because girth is so sexy in motion, they can move far more beautifully than smaller people and they are eagerly recruited for back-up dancing.
The novelty factor of "FAT PEOPLE DANCING!!!!!", like it's the equivalent of watching a hippopotamus use a typewriter or something, was really weird to me. If it had just been a dance show where the contestants happen to be larger than average I wouldn't have been so skeeved out, but framing it as this weight loss show--as if fat people could have no reason to dance other than to "graduate" out of fatness---is inherently problematic. It fetishizes fat. Me no likey.
@Haystacks: I love Hairspray too, and she was amazing in it.
I just read an interview with her in People, and what I DID like was that the interviewer asked her about losing weight (she just had a baby, I guess), and about trying to wear a bikini. She answered, "Oh, I wear bikinis!" That made me happy.
I feel like they just took the formula for weight loss shows, but added dancing. Every other weight loss show I've seen has people barely dressed for comparison of before-and after photos, with men bare chested and women in bike shorts and a sports bra. And they all show people gorging on food at some time. Did we expect this to be better because there is dancing?
But, at the end of the day, in the clips I've seen, the contestants do seem to enjoy the dancing and there is something nice in the idea that you don't need to be skinny to dance.
I will, however, admit to owning (and using, on an alarmingly regular basis) Richard Simmons' "Party Off the Pounds" or something on DVD.
I think it's possible to portray weight loss via dancing as a positive thing. You should see me cackling as I flail around my living room.
I can't ACTUALLY dance, but I think this show has an interesting concept: it's an interesting, artistic means of moving your body, it keeps people engaged and wanting to participate, and it can demand immense athletic effort. I also really hope that the show emphasizes the sense of accomplishment you can get from performing something well, and that there isn't so much "OH LOOK LOLFAT SPECTACLE!!1" sentiment.
@tscheese: I agree. I think that dancing is a fantastic thing to do for your body. Generally, you feel happy, you're doing something interesting, moving to beats is extremely natural for us, and it works out almost all parts of your body, working as both muscle training and cardio. I have never been in better shape than my third year of college when I was doing dance as my PE. It was a workout I actually ENJOYED, but I never thought of it as working out, and you do get a huge sense of accomplishment when you perform a dance well. I still have fond memories of my swing dance final.
@tscheese: Oh man. My mom had ALL of the sweatin' to the oldies videos, and I know the moves to EVERY song. I really think they should have brought back Richard Simmons to host this one.
@tscheese: You should see me cackling as I flail around my living room.
This made my morning.
Also, I've often thought it'd be a cool thing culturally if we went back to teaching kids to dance in school, as part of PE. It's a cool thing to be able to do later in life, and a great way to get them to be more active without subjecting them to the torturous boredom that is going to a gym or running laps (or being forced to play sports despite an utter lack of coordination and ability). I get that there's going to be a humiliation factor, at least at first, but hopefully kids could get over that.
[I would love to learn to swing and salsa, by the by.]
I was actually going to try out for this. I had the application all filled out and everything, but I couldn't go through with it. I thought that if I did manage to get on I would probably be exploited as a big fat idiot that can't control my snacking or some such nonsense. Looks like I was correct. Bullet. Dodged.
I once played Morales in Chorus Line. I did not look like a dancer and they put me in an orange leotard. It was HUMILIATING... I can't imagine doing that on television.
I don't know - I liked it a lot. I like the idea that you don't have to be stick thin to dance and enjoy it, and I thought that the judges seemed fair, and a lot of the contestants really seemed to be having fun. As for the girl who wants a boyfriend - it's not a fat issue, it's a self esteem issue. If losing weight gives her better self esteem - well, all the more power to her, I say. It's like if some girl said, maybe if I get bigger boobs I'll get a boyfriend. (Which is what I constantly said to myself in high school, before I realized that boys really didn't care.)
@laureltreedaphne: But then wouldn't it be better to encourage people to work on their self esteem rather than hounding them with the same bullshit about their bodies being a problem (whether it's boobs or weight)
@laureltreedaphne: I like the idea that you don't have to be stick thin to dance and enjoy it"
Me too. So why can't we have a show about dancers that have non-default body types rather than presenting dancing as a way to change that awful body you have now? I know some big girls that can shake it and they're not doing it so their "ass will be as tight as your weave" they're doing it because it's fun.
@lalaland13: Yeah, it's like, "LOOK AT THESE FATTY FAT PEOPLE! LOLOLOL Let's put out some cookies and SEE WHAT THEY DO. OMG, they ate some cookies. That's awful."
@tscheese: This is making me suspect I share a workplace with Oxygen. Because damn those people who bring donuts. And I am pretty sure they're all laughing at me when I eat one.
I see what you mean about the costumes. Like you said, not that they should wear muumuus, but is it necessary to belt the hot pants so the stomach rolls over it? That's not flattering on any body. Also, pop stars, back up dancers, ect.: can we just have a moratorium on ripped up mesh altogether? Please?
Yeah, it really seems like it could have the potential to be encouraging--but who wants to watch crap like that?! We have to up the tension by embarrassing the fuck out 'em, just a little! /sarcasm
I'm rather worried about the new "Bachelor"-esque show with larger contestants. At first the promos seemed actually a little promising--they start with the premise that the average woman is a 14/16, and that their reality show is more real than the others...and then they reveal the title: "More to Love." That title just pisses me off, and I'm not entirely sure why, because on the surface, there's nothing wrong with it, but it's just calling soooo much attention to their weight, as though that's the only interesting thing about these people (which the network execs probably believe is the only interesting/sellable thing about them).
@Madlenka: It's like having an all-black version of the Bachelor and calling it "The Black-chelor" or something. Why do we have to keep categorizing and separating people??!?!
Actually, The Blackchelor is probably something the networks would buy. Excuse me while I go prepare my pitch.
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My personal experience is that it's hard to do the paso doble in a muu muu.
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But then again, the premise for the entire show is kind of offensive. Where i'm from it's no surprise that larger people can move. In fact most of the time, because girth is so sexy in motion, they can move far more beautifully than smaller people and they are eagerly recruited for back-up dancing.
The novelty factor of "FAT PEOPLE DANCING!!!!!", like it's the equivalent of watching a hippopotamus use a typewriter or something, was really weird to me. If it had just been a dance show where the contestants happen to be larger than average I wouldn't have been so skeeved out, but framing it as this weight loss show--as if fat people could have no reason to dance other than to "graduate" out of fatness---is inherently problematic. It fetishizes fat. Me no likey.
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What are you talking about? All the animals in my household type. :=D
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Oh oh oh woke up today
Feeling the shame I always do.
Oh oh oh hungry for something
But I can't eat
Then I hear that beat
That rhythm of sound
Starts judging my pounds
It's like a message from high above
oh oh oh pulling me down to hate and fear that I know
GOOD MORNING FAT SHAMING!
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I just read an interview with her in People, and what I DID like was that the interviewer asked her about losing weight (she just had a baby, I guess), and about trying to wear a bikini. She answered, "Oh, I wear bikinis!" That made me happy.
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But, at the end of the day, in the clips I've seen, the contestants do seem to enjoy the dancing and there is something nice in the idea that you don't need to be skinny to dance.
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I think it's possible to portray weight loss via dancing as a positive thing. You should see me cackling as I flail around my living room.
I can't ACTUALLY dance, but I think this show has an interesting concept: it's an interesting, artistic means of moving your body, it keeps people engaged and wanting to participate, and it can demand immense athletic effort. I also really hope that the show emphasizes the sense of accomplishment you can get from performing something well, and that there isn't so much "OH LOOK LOLFAT SPECTACLE!!1" sentiment.
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This made my morning.
Also, I've often thought it'd be a cool thing culturally if we went back to teaching kids to dance in school, as part of PE. It's a cool thing to be able to do later in life, and a great way to get them to be more active without subjecting them to the torturous boredom that is going to a gym or running laps (or being forced to play sports despite an utter lack of coordination and ability). I get that there's going to be a humiliation factor, at least at first, but hopefully kids could get over that.
[I would love to learn to swing and salsa, by the by.]
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Me too. So why can't we have a show about dancers that have non-default body types rather than presenting dancing as a way to change that awful body you have now? I know some big girls that can shake it and they're not doing it so their "ass will be as tight as your weave" they're doing it because it's fun.
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I'm rather worried about the new "Bachelor"-esque show with larger contestants. At first the promos seemed actually a little promising--they start with the premise that the average woman is a 14/16, and that their reality show is more real than the others...and then they reveal the title: "More to Love." That title just pisses me off, and I'm not entirely sure why, because on the surface, there's nothing wrong with it, but it's just calling soooo much attention to their weight, as though that's the only interesting thing about these people (which the network execs probably believe is the only interesting/sellable thing about them).
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Actually, The Blackchelor is probably something the networks would buy. Excuse me while I go prepare my pitch.