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Zombie Ms. Skittles
11/06/09

In reply to Personal History
Someone tell me about the Berlin Wall coming down. I don't remember it -- I was 10 days shy of my fourth birthday. #kadewe
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la.donna.pietra
11/06/09

@Zombie Ms. Skittles: It was crazy, even for a 13-year-old here in the U.S. My dad's side of the family was originally from Germany (many generations before Communism), so it was an even bigger deal for him. I mostly remember seeing TV images of lots and lots of people standing on the wall and hollering happily. It was one of those points in my life that I remember a distinct sense of things changing, even though I didn't really know what they were at the time. #kadewe
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Zombie Ms. Skittles
11/06/09

@la.donna.pietra: Thanks. I feel like I kind of missed out on that one. All the defining cultural moments of my life have been tragic and horrible. Plus a lot of my friends who are only a few years older than me all remember it, I was just a little too young. #kadewe
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Cam/ron
11/06/09

@Zombie Ms. Skittles: That event symbolized the beginning of the end of the Cold War as well as the weakening of European communism, which was a huge deal to me since I grew up scared of Soviet nukes flying into my town. #kadewe
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mbprice
11/06/09

In reply to The Cow Before The Horse
I bet St. Leonhard is very moo-ved by the procession. It would behoove them to ruminate on the udder mysteries of heifer'n and earth. #leonhardiride
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CurtCole
11/06/09

@mbprice: It's nice to see people not buck tradition. #leonhardiride
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MargaretMoony
11/04/09

In reply to Wings Of Desire
That is sooooooooooo cool. #berlin
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Ailatan
11/04/09

In reply to Wings Of Desire
This post deserves some U2 #berlin
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DandiDame
11/05/09

@Ailatan: *mwah* I love this song and the films so much it hurts. Thanks for posting this. #berlin
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ihateyourescalade
11/04/09

In reply to Wings Of Desire
Wow, Victoria's Secret has really toned it down. #berlin
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kookla
11/04/09

In reply to Wings Of Desire
My fascination with Angels made me have to click to see what this was! #berlin
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wtfox?!
11/04/09

In reply to Wings Of Desire
I hope she remembers her lines and doesn't have to wing it! #berlin
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funnyface
10/23/09

In reply to Ready For Takeoff
The fog comes
on little dog feet.

It goes jogging
over runway and tarmac
on springing haunches
and then moves on. #neubiberg
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zoethebitch
10/23/09

In reply to Ready For Takeoff
The loneliness of the fog distance runner. #neubiberg
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girlarchaeologist
10/19/09

In reply to Egypt, Germany Tussle Over Bust
Oh, Zahi. The bust was removed legally. I can understand wanting to get illegaly removed things back, but it seems like he is more interested in getting everything back. No antiquities for you! How dull the major museums would be if they were only allowed to display items from that one country. People who will never get to Egypt can get to the Met. And if he's that hot and bothered about it, why hasn't he taken on the British Museum? Because he would be squashed like a bug, that's why. #nefertiti
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heykoukla
10/20/09

@girlarchaeologist: Oh yes, the British Museum is big and powerful, so they must be right! All you silly little countries who want your antiquities back, go away, we will squash you like a bug! #nefertiti
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girlarchaeologist
10/21/09

@heykoukla: That's not what I meant at all. More like he knows it would be a hopeless fight, and he doesn't want to lose, so he doesn't go there. It's especially ironic, since with the British Museum, you can make a really solid case for the illegal removal of some of those items from their home country (see Marbles, Parthenon). #nefertiti
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bowleserised
10/19/09

In reply to Egypt, Germany Tussle Over Bust
I thought she was meant to be a fake? #nefertiti
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falenas
10/19/09

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Zahi Hawass can definitely come off as a blowhard, but if someone doesn't make a big stink over theft of artifacts from Egypt those artifacts will never find their way home. Frankly, Germany needs to get its head out of its ass and return it already. Egypt has been asking for Nefertiti back for years.

(Speaking as an Egyptian and an archaeologist here, so I admit I'm biased. :p)
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casi nadie (loves MCC forever)
10/19/09

@falenas: I understand the desire to have such artifacts returned, and I think it's horrendous that many if not most Egyptian artifacts were stolen from the country, but I really wish Hawass would go about it another way. It's hard to take him seriously anymore, because he's pulled this stunt so many times and seems to me to care more about hearing himself speak than actually getting them back. #nefertiti
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Red-headed bookworm
10/19/09

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Hmm, well, she could have left illegally but I'm not sure what rules were in place as far as antiquities in the early 1900's. I respect that countries and cultures want icons of theirs that have been stolen back, I also think keeping a countries artifacts just in that country prevents people in other countries who may never have a chance to visit them to learn about other places. That's the point of museums, to educate people. #nefertiti
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BearDownCBears
10/19/09

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Deutschland, Deutschland, uber archaeologists #nefertiti
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morninggloria
10/19/09

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Zahi Hawass is just a gigantic famewhore who likes to stir shit up to get his name in newspapers and mentioned on TV. He's the Spencer Pratt of archeology. He is constantly pulling shit like this. And even if he does succeed in the secondary aim of retrieving the bust from Germany, it's going to be put in the National Museum in Cairo, which is probably the most poorly organized and frustrating museum that I've ever visited. Except for the King Tut area, the whole place is like a grave robber's house, if the grave robber also happened to have a hoarding problem. #nefertiti
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ucelluccia
10/19/09

@morninggloria: I think that calling someone "the Spencer Pratt of X" is the new best thing ever. #nefertiti
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sara-without-an-h
10/19/09

@morninggloria: I agree with you 100%. I will also add that I hated being harrassed by kids in the museum for all two hours I was there. #nefertiti
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Garryoak
10/19/09

@morninggloria: Really? I loved the Cairo museum! It was like roaming through some crazy hoarder's house. But grave robbers? No, that title goes to the Europeans who looted Egypt and now have the audacity to refuse to give those things back. When I was in Egypt I spoke with an archeologist who was very passionate about reclaiming Egypt's stolen treasures and he really moved me. It reminded me of an exhibit I saw here on Vancouver Island of traditional First Nations' potlach masks. The exhibit was accompanied by the official documents which were used by the Canadian government to seize the items in the first place. All very legal and above the board. Except of course to the First Nations people who had no say anyway. And if those masks had been kept by the Canadian government they would probably be in a much nicer museum than the tiny one they are in now. So I guess what I'm saying is poorly organized or not I kinda think Nefertiti belongs in Egypt.

I'll take your word on the archeologist though. He must be pretty bad to warrant that particular comparison. #nefertiti
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morninggloria
10/19/09

@Garryoak: I was not implying that Egyptians are grave robbers, but rather commenting on the volume of artifacts in the museum. There are a lot, as though someone just scooped up as much as they could carry and then displayed it willy nilly. They are not well organized (not even by Old Kingdom/New Kingdom-- it's all sort of mushed together). A museum has responsibility to the public to present artifacts in a way that enhances understanding rather than promotes confusion.

I agree that the stolen artifacts should be returned to Egypt, but I also think that the Egyptian caretakers of those artifacts really need to step up, Zahi Hawass included. #nefertiti
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Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.
10/19/09

@Garryoak: But Nefertiti does not just belong to Egypt or Germany. She belongs to the world. She is an artifact that humanity is the better for having preserved. To have her sent to tiny museum where her future is not secure, where she could be cracked, or damaged, or even to a lesser extent, forgotten and left to languish is a crime and mankind would be worse off.

Plus, Ludwig Borchardt found the bust, it is not as though Germany just came in a scooped up all the riches that Egypt had put the work in to find and unearth. #nefertiti
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heykoukla
10/19/09

@nerdycellist: I agree, there definitely should be a mediating authority to, if necessary, compel the return of items.
Also, just as a side note, the Grand Egyptian Museum is due to be completed in 2012, and I believe that's where they intend to display the bust.
@AvaAdore: @Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.: There is a big question mark over how Borchardt took the bust of Nefertiti to Germany, hence the controversy.
[www.timesonline.co.uk] #nefertiti
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Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.
10/19/09

@heykoukla: He may have been crafty with how he displayed the bust, but he did not smuggle the bust of Nefertiti to Germany, nor do anything illegal to get it. The curator at the time should have looked at his items more closely before signing them away. #nefertiti
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