Sigh. (I have a copy of the paper PM me for copies)
Teenage sexuality needs to be studied as much as sexuality in adults. Studying it doesn't mean you are immediately adjudicating negative value to teenage sexuality.
Also,our life experiences are kind of beside the point in a population study. If certain parts of the population have 20% increased chance of developing something or exhibiting one behaviour or another, it would still mean that a lot of the people in that group won't develop something or won't exhibit that behaviour.
If it works, attached is the Probability of remaining abstinent for male offspring, by family exposure to father absence and genetic relatedness of maternal sister pair, as predicted from estimated model parameters.
Why is early sex automatically a bad thing? I lost my virginity at 15, to someone I'd been dating for a year, and I got my ass on the pill asap. After that ended a year later, I didn't have sex for almost 2 years because I didn't meet anyone I particularly wanted to screw.
I was not traumatized, I did not get pregnant, and I did not become the school cautionary tale.
@colormeroutine: Whoa, exact same story! And my dad has always been around - parents still married and everything. Also, he's never cheated (that I know of). Maybe some people just decide to have sex earlier than others? Hormones? We haz?
@colormeroutine: 15 wouldn't be early debut according to this study, they used the Youth Behavior Risk survey and only asked 14 year olds.
Having sex younger leads to more risks partly because of neural development- the consequences parts of our brains don't finish developing until our early 20s. Even with pretty good access to bc, younger teens are more likely to go without bc which puts them at risks for STD and pregnancy. Early sexual debut is something a lot of researchers look at without slut shaming intentions.
This discussion is only relevant, it seems to me, if the goal is to place a higher value on sex abstention than on early experience. I have read some of the reports but haven't seen the term 'early' defined in age - is it 9? 12? 14? Or just under the legal age of consent in any given country? And the perjorative attitude towards young, sexually active people being 'risk-takers' makes it sound like every horny fourteen year old is just an accident waiting to happen. (It goes without saying here that when I talk about young people having sex, I'm not talking about anything non-consensual or exploitative - duh.)
Yes, I can see that it is of some social scientific interest to determine why some people seem driven to voluntarily pop their cherry at the first opportunity while others prefer to wait - but I'm not sure what application this knowledge has in the real world besides offering another blame variant - one we can't even do anything about.
It would seem to me that moving the parameters of this discussion over to an overall acceptance of people - especially people going through puberty - as people with a normal interest in sexuality (with or without intercourse) would discard the whole emphasis on who or what is to blame, and could focus on education so that young people know what it means to have responsible, consensual, healthy and safe sexual activity - and place that in the context of healthy, productive relationships.
Age at first intercourse isn't just about being horny. Sex is a risk taking behavior so kids who participate in risky behavior like drug use and dangerous driving are more likely to have sex younger. There is also a socioeconomic component to first intercourse- middle class kids tend to delay first intercourse more than lower class kids because it might derail their college and career plans. Masturbating young isn't the same thing as having sex young. Sure, they both relate to sex drive, but there is more going on.
The big problem with the suggestion that its genetics because more full siblings were more likely to have similar ages of sexual debut than cousins is that full siblings are more likely to be raised with similar values in similar socioeconomic situations.
@Scout: One of my earliest memories is from when I was three or four, pressing my crotch against the arm of the couch, announcing proudly that "when I go like this it feels like I have to pee!!"
My parents have been married for almost 30 years, and have been extremely faithful to one another.
I have a feeling you're right... Our couch humping means nothing.
Thank goodness that none of us are responsible for anything that we do ever.
Sorry! My genes made me cheat on you. Oh, did I just spill hot coffee on your lap and laugh at you? That was my genetics. I feel awful about pushing you down the stairs, but what can you do, with genes like mine?
Or, fathers who stray are sometimes absent and girls seek out love/affection from boys? I thought physical development paired with the social environment was the biggest factor in early sexual experiences.
@sassyredhead: I fall in this same ballpark except that I'm male. My dad always came off as a sort of asexual being tho, but it didn't keep him from leaving.
Your weight depends on a variety of factors- like genetic predisposition, organ function, hormone levels, activity levels, and diet.
Assuming that someone's weight is a direct result of only bad diet/ lack of exercise is stupid/ignorant and may (justifiably) lead people to think you are an asshole.
also, people should consider the fact that not everyone can or should lose weight.
i am overweight, obese by BMI standards, and have been directly told by my doctor to maintain my current weight until other health issues stabilize.
i also have a endocrine disorder that kicked in at puberty and made me chubby.
so, before poking my side and asking if i should really be eating that (yes, i've had someone do this. i was eating a burger at a family cookout) you should consider that maybe, just maybe, i've got very little choice in the matter.
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Teenage sexuality needs to be studied as much as sexuality in adults. Studying it doesn't mean you are immediately adjudicating negative value to teenage sexuality.
Also,our life experiences are kind of beside the point in a population study. If certain parts of the population have 20% increased chance of developing something or exhibiting one behaviour or another, it would still mean that a lot of the people in that group won't develop something or won't exhibit that behaviour.
If it works, attached is the Probability of remaining abstinent for male offspring, by family exposure to father absence and genetic relatedness of maternal sister pair, as predicted from estimated model parameters.
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I was not traumatized, I did not get pregnant, and I did not become the school cautionary tale.
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Having sex younger leads to more risks partly because of neural development- the consequences parts of our brains don't finish developing until our early 20s. Even with pretty good access to bc, younger teens are more likely to go without bc which puts them at risks for STD and pregnancy. Early sexual debut is something a lot of researchers look at without slut shaming intentions.
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Yes, I can see that it is of some social scientific interest to determine why some people seem driven to voluntarily pop their cherry at the first opportunity while others prefer to wait - but I'm not sure what application this knowledge has in the real world besides offering another blame variant - one we can't even do anything about.
It would seem to me that moving the parameters of this discussion over to an overall acceptance of people - especially people going through puberty - as people with a normal interest in sexuality (with or without intercourse) would discard the whole emphasis on who or what is to blame, and could focus on education so that young people know what it means to have responsible, consensual, healthy and safe sexual activity - and place that in the context of healthy, productive relationships.
Yeah, I know - crazy utopian at the keyboard...
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The big problem with the suggestion that its genetics because more full siblings were more likely to have similar ages of sexual debut than cousins is that full siblings are more likely to be raised with similar values in similar socioeconomic situations.
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I don't know what this means.
Probably nothing.
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My parents have been married for almost 30 years, and have been extremely faithful to one another.
I have a feeling you're right... Our couch humping means nothing.
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I blame cartoons.
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Sorry! My genes made me cheat on you. Oh, did I just spill hot coffee on your lap and laugh at you? That was my genetics. I feel awful about pushing you down the stairs, but what can you do, with genes like mine?
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@morninggloria: Genes: The Ultimate Scapegoat.
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I am a very sexually open woman and have done quite a bit. Lost my virginity at 17. But had been sexually curious and masturbating since 9.
I have always thought I have my dad's genes. I look much like him.
Perhaps I have found a study that does pertain to me...
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Assuming that someone's weight is a direct result of only bad diet/ lack of exercise is stupid/ignorant and may (justifiably) lead people to think you are an asshole.
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i am overweight, obese by BMI standards, and have been directly told by my doctor to maintain my current weight until other health issues stabilize.
i also have a endocrine disorder that kicked in at puberty and made me chubby.
so, before poking my side and asking if i should really be eating that (yes, i've had someone do this. i was eating a burger at a family cookout) you should consider that maybe, just maybe, i've got very little choice in the matter.