I once had a teacher of mine (the same one who moonlighted as a Baptist youth leader and one time actually DEDUCTED points from a paper of mine b/c it contained "feminist bias.") bemoan gay marriage, talking about how if they were allowed to marry, the divorce rate would skyrocket (b/c of their promiscuous ways duh!). As if that was a reason? It's already 50% in the U.S....and I happen to know that 7 out of 10 marriages in Russia end in divorce, so a macho, intolerant culture is hardly a prerequisite for marital bliss!
@krokodil: The sanctity of heterosexual marriage argument is so full of holes I am not sure how people can say it with a straight face. I could pull any random guy off the street and marry him tomorrow. Then divorce him a few days later. Then after the waiting period is over, lather, rinse, repeat.
@foodandshoes: Woah, wait a minute. You mean there's not a screening process straight couples have to go through to make sure their marriage is morally right and true in the eyes of the Lord? You mean, a random person with ONE set of genitals and a random person with A DIFFERENT set of genitals can just walk into City Hall and walk out with a marriage certificate, and rip it up the next day, and NO ONE CARES?! But... but... wouldn't this invalidate every single marriage in the whole universe that's based on real love and commitment? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?!
For all those authoritative pastors out there...dudes, the pagan Romans had a lock on monogamous marriage waaay before the early Christian converts jumped on that bandwagon. Jews, for many reasons I won't oppress you with, were exempt from Roman rules and customs of worship, so Herod was allowed to keep his wives and not forced to sacrifice to Jupiter. Christ didn't go changing any of those rules - besides "gay" wasn't a concept he'd get. Everyone then thought everyone else (i.e. men) was hetero - so any dabbling with prostitutes, boys or men was just another aspect of hetero behavior.
The "one flesh" scripture Christians use to back up monogamous marriage doesn't say anything as to how many people you can make that one flesh with - and the fact that in 1Timothy 3:2 bishops had to be exhorted to have only one wife means that multiple "opposite" marriage was going on among early converts. Notice only the bishops have to obey that instruction as a good example, not the rest of the flock. Oh noes, we've gone and REDEFINED IT!!!
Something I read just about forever ago was that in the Middle Ages, gay marriages, being about love, took place in the church, but heterosexual marriages, being about property, took place outside.
I tried to re-find the source a few years ago and apparently it came from a book that was actually AGAINST gay marriage. But can anyone back me up? Or was an already crazy author just making shit up?
06/20/09
06/20/09
Mmm, Holy.
06/20/09
... I need to sit down.
06/20/09
The "one flesh" scripture Christians use to back up monogamous marriage doesn't say anything as to how many people you can make that one flesh with - and the fact that in 1Timothy 3:2 bishops had to be exhorted to have only one wife means that multiple "opposite" marriage was going on among early converts. Notice only the bishops have to obey that instruction as a good example, not the rest of the flock.
Oh noes, we've gone and REDEFINED IT!!!
06/20/09
06/19/09
I tried to re-find the source a few years ago and apparently it came from a book that was actually AGAINST gay marriage. But can anyone back me up? Or was an already crazy author just making shit up?
06/19/09
06/19/09