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The Lone Scout
09/22/09

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Hey, I'm pretty adventurous, but seeing a woman posed like that would me make pray that she's going to keep that thumb to herself (although for BookishLookish I might make an exception).
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The Lone Scout
09/22/09

@The Lone Scout: ...and as I sit here laughing, I'm thinking that faced with a woman in that outfit I'd rather take my chances with the Hipster Grifter.
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anteup
09/22/09

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MacRae drove a woman away by saying she had "man hands"

That bit made me laugh. A lot. I'm imagining this over exaggerated insulted face on some nondescript woman as she picks up her Cuba Libre and storms off
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Gavagirl
09/22/09

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Just get to the point. And get a good wingman, the kind you can throw a chorus to (caution, the lyrics are NSFW!!).
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FattyCatty
09/22/09

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Isn't "negging" just, like, "gently teasing someone with whom you have established a rapport"? In my single days, when talking to guys I would just kid them a little. It wasn't strategy - just part of the conversation, and a good way to see if they had a sense of humor about themselves. Besides, if you're going to be friends with me, you're gonna have to take some good-natured ribbing now and then.
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whereismymind
09/22/09

@FattyCatty: It's less teasing and more supposed to be offhandedly insulting them. For example asking a girl if her hair color is natural, so she is forced to admit that it's fake. The whole point is you are supposed to act like you don't know you are insulting her
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Snowbunny
09/22/09

@whereismymind: "Bed?" What is "bed?"
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jenny_dreadful
09/22/09

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Has anyone here actually read Mystery's book? It's so much worse than you imagine. There's a part where he recommends his readers have a bed, so that they have a place to have sex. If you're starting out under the presumption that your readers don't understand why they need a bed, then goddamn. Goddamn!
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Flackette Goes Retro
09/22/09

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You know who negged each other? Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy.
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BeckySharper
09/22/09

@Flackette Goes Retro: "She is tolerable, I suppose."
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Highsmith
09/22/09

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Margaret Cho's "STICK IT IN" line has never failed me.
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cait98
09/22/09

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As much as I loathe the idea of PUAs, I have to say I really think their techniques would work on me.

I read "The Game" and I think "negging" is often misconstrued on here. It's not straight up insults - it's more like giving a backhanded compliment. And, if a guy came up to me and said something like, "It's so cute how your nose moves when you speak." I would definitely respond with a "What? It does?" and think "Wait, cute in a good way?" end up engaging him in a conversation to find out more. The guy who comes up just wanting to buy me a drink, not so much. A neg seems perceptive and exhibits self-confidence (he's not one of a million guys who need to tell the pretty girl that she's pretty, he's comfortable teasing you) And negs are supposed to be gentle teasing, if you are ACTUALLY insulting someone you are doing it wrong.

I hate the idea that this is a learned method, but I believe more of us would fall for it than we would like to think.
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DramaClub
09/22/09

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The easiest way for a woman to get laid is to make an obvious glance at his package and then smile when you look back at his face.
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Dirk Anger
09/22/09

@DramaClub: Yeah, we're pathetic that way.

You may scare the guy off if he's a bit shy, though
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clamme
09/22/09

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I recently read "the gift of fear' and was stunned by how a typical stalker, would-be rapist, etc use the very same techniques that Mystery does. "negging' is what the guy uses in the very first story to get in the victim's apartment.
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whynotshesaid
09/22/09

@clamme: OMG good point! He says the would-be attacker will make some comment meant to undermine your confidence in yourself, like if you try to blow him off or something, and that our (women's) need to be seen as nice is so strong that we'll end up going along with it.

Wow, that is so fucking creepy.
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youbehim
09/22/09

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A lot of people need stupid rules or tricks to talk to people in person, not everyone is as charming as the people who are saying, "Idk, just be yourself! Have a normal conversation!"
It's hard to make small talk for a lot of people and maybe I am just trying to see the good in the man who would use The Game, but perhaps they are using it as a starting point, not just as a way to get a woman into bed.

Lord knows I am an awkward mess when I first meet people and wish we could skip all that and go straight to friends because I am actually pretty cool when not riddled with anxiety.
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Benevolent_Dictatrix (patently absurd)
09/22/09

@youbehim: PUAs are not shilling techniques to help shy people start conversations and get to know a woman. They are teaching men to manipulate women. And in doing so they make a lot of insulting assumptions about women - including that all woment are the same. We aren't talking about How to Win Friends and Influence People here.
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youbehim
09/22/09

@Benevolent_Dictatrix (patently absurd): alright.
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whynotshesaid
09/22/09

@Benevolent_Dictatrix (patently absurd): Yes, exactly. It's one thing to be shy and need a bit of help, but these guys are all about trying to make women do what they want them to do. They are not the same at all.
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whynotshesaid
09/22/09

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I lack the social finesse for picking dudes up. I always found it a lot easier to be straight-forward. It hasn't always worked, but usually it did.
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Tchotchke
09/22/09

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I am always amazed by the number of men who say incredibly obnoxious things to me and my friends when we go out. In all honesty, I don't think I have ever had a guy come up to me when we were out and say "Hi" or something nice. Instead, I seem to encounter tons of offensive jerks. I guess it makes me wonder if there is something about me specifically that encourages attention from men who think I will go for that approach, or if it's just an indication of how younger men are taught to approach women these days. I truly have no idea.
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
09/22/09

@Tchotchke: I'm sure it's a combination of both. I would imagine it's the doods who have no idea how to approach women that are the "target demo" for this passel of heinous ideas in class form in the first place.
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bowleserised
09/22/09

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This is a great idea for a feature, but I wish she'd done it a little more subltely, rather than going for laughs. I'd be really interested to know what happened then.
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Freddie DeBoer
09/22/09

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Even if it meant never getting laid again, there is no force on earth that could compel me to spend my social time dressing like an asshole, treating people like shit and performing magic tricks in a bar. And I can't think of something more irrelevant than the notion that this stuff "works" for a lot of people.
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