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When Did The Anti-Abortion Movement Get So Whiny?

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06/08/09

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I read that NYT article last night and was quite appalled.
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stoprobbers
06/08/09

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I, for one, am really glad to hear that Dr. Hern is under the protection of US Marshalls.
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Gretchen now has TWO kittens
06/08/09

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I cannot respect these people in the least. I *might* reconsider if I had any evidence that they protested EQUALLY against abortion, capital punishment and war. After all, if they believe abortion is wrong then they should acknowledge ALL 'government sanctioned' killing is wrong.

When I think of the combination of their narrow mindedness with the conservative's traditional lack of support for social programs I go on rage overload.
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quesadillaap
06/08/09

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I wish these people put their energy towards human trafficking, so many actually living children end up in lives worse than death. They'd be my heroes if they directed that anger towards traffickers and pimps and the Johns who have sex with children. But being so judgmental, they'd probably blame the children for being too provocative and bringing it on themselves...
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SarahMC
06/08/09

@quesadillaap: Please. You know a good number of these anti-choice men are whacking off to child porn when the protests are over.
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Cole23
06/08/09

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You know, I'm going to play the conservative here, just for a minute. Not every pro-life supporter is like one of those people in the picture, holding up pics of dead babies and cursing women as they make a difficult choice. Some people truly believe that life starts at conceptions and for them, abortion is wrong. I, myself, sit on the fence about this issue. The problem is not pro-choice is right and anti-abortion is wrong, the problem is that it is a PERSONAL choice, not a choice dictated by the state or federal govt.
Plus, I believe if people invested in this issue would focus on the underlining problems here (poverty, lack of proper sex education, etc) and make a difference there, that the number of people having abortions would decrease. Outlawing abortion is like putting a bandaid on a severed arm. Serious reconstruction is needed.
BTW, good short story for a neutral, objective glance at abortion - "We do Abortions Here: A Nurse's Story" by Sallie Tisdale. here's a link to the text.

[marcshor.wordpress.com]
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stacyinbean
06/08/09

@Cole23: Well, conservatives are pretty much the only ones totally unwilling to address poverty and provide proper sex education, so... If you want less abortions you don't outlaw them, you teach people how to NOT have to have one, this does not include abstinence only education for the ENTIRE country.
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tscheese
06/08/09

@Cole23: I don't want to drown the discussion in semantics, as this point has been discussed pretty thoroughly in a lot of threads on this topic, but--

If a person believes that abortion shouldn't be outlawed and that every woman has the right to make her own choice, then that person IS pro-choice. Even if that person would never have an abortion, even if that person wishes there were ways to reduce the number of abortions being performed.

On another note - thank you for the link. It's not for the squeamish, but it is what it is, and knowledge is a good thing.
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MissyMcCLung
06/08/09

@Cole23: I think though, that what you are describing is pro-choice. I am not comfortable with the idea of abortion, so you know what, I won't have one. But I'm much more uncomfortable with imposing my beliefs and value system on other people.

The above makes me pro-choice, not anti-abortion or pro-life. To qualify as anti-abortion or pro-life, you have to want to remove that right from other people. I think you need to relabel yourself. Clearly you believe in giving people informed choices and the resources to make those choices (aid them in not getting pregnant when they don't want to for example).
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whynotshesaid
06/08/09

@Cole23: Once again, you are pro-choice.

Honestly, do you have any idea how many times this very discussion has been had on this site? A self-described pro-lifer comes along, says not all pro-lifers are like this, and then proceeds to describe how he or she is actually pro-choice. It happens at least once a day, I swear.
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Sputnik_Sweetheart
06/08/09

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There was a post on Balloon Juice wondering when conservatives were going to start calling for enhanced interrogation techniques to be used on Roeder to find out about these "similar events." The hypocrisy of those on the extreme right is astounding, isn't it?
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lalaland13
06/08/09

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I wish I could send some of this stuff to my mom, so she would know just what these people are like, and just how critical abortion rights are. But I can't make her think about something she doesn't want to think about, just like she can't make me go to church.
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spiraloflife
06/08/09

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Part of me wants to write Dr. Hern and thank him for being so awesome. He really could just step down, and it would probably be safer for him, but he's refusing to give in to the harassment, violence, and terrorism that the other side is dishing out.

Part of me realizes, though, that he probably doesn't want any address where he could get mail publicized.
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fieldingm
06/08/09

@spiraloflife: i'm pretty sure f-ing jill crazyface stanek published his address last week, but you could send a thank you card to his clinic! i think that would be really great. i may do the same!
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TheGuvnah
06/08/09

@fieldingm:

Boulder Abortion Clinic,P.C.

Warren M. Hern, M.D., M.P.H., Ph.D.

Quality Care for Women Since 1973

1130 Alpine Avenue

Boulder, Colorado 80304

Toll-free: 800-535-1287

Local: 303-447-1361

Fax: 303-447-0020

you could also just call and say thank you or send a thank you card to the clinic!

(p.s. this is on the web, i am not sharing any personal info)
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stacyinbean
06/08/09

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After further inspection, I have a few questions about this picture. First of all, did that woman perform 10 abortions with an American flag? Second, did she defame a flag by cutting it up into halter straps for her fetus blood soaked apron? Third, how can one person hold four signs? And finally, what kind of Christian (I am 99.5% sure this woman would claim to be one) thinks God hates any human?
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kithkin
06/08/09

@stacyinbean: It's against the American Flag code of conduct to wear a flag as any kind of clothing. What a patriot, that lady.
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Furface
06/08/09

@stacyinbean: They are from this church: [en.wikipedia.org]

And I'm pretty sure they're the most hated people in the US, even conservatives hate them because they are the ones who protest at military funerals as well.
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stacyinbean
06/08/09

@Furface: Ah yes, because even though the military employs Don't Ask, Don't Tell, they still unknowingly sometimes allow gays in the military and therefore everyone in the military is also gay or condoning homosexuality. I remember those people...
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stealthird
06/08/09

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They're whiny because, for them, their antichoice movement gives them an identity that they can cling to. They have no real sense of self, and instead of looking inside to determine who they are as people, they throw on the mantle of their movement, claim God's on their side, and shove their "righteous truth" into other people's faces. The murder of Dr. Tiller has exposed the hypocrisy of their movement and, in a nutshell, shattered this flimsy identity, and now they're whining because now they are exposed for what they really are. They are being forced to find a new identity or rebuild their broken one, and there's little chance of the latter because we've all seen the man behind the curtain.*

In sum: they whine because they are pathetic, stunted babies who never grew up or matured, and use dogma and rhetoric (and murder) as camouflage.

*See The True Believer
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stacyinbean
06/08/09

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Hey lady, 'God' doesn't hate anyone.
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TheExperience
06/08/09

@stacyinbean: To those people, God would hate meatloaf if it was taking up space on the table meant for a bible. Or if it were making eyes at another meatloaf, of course.
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morninggloria
06/08/09

@TheExperience: "God" turns out to dislike everything that they dislike. Hey, this God is just like me! He seems pretty neat!
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tscheese
06/08/09

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Hey, anti-abortion nutters! You might be hearing about how miserable Roeder is right now, and you might be worried that you might have to sit in a cold cell without the comforts of home. Well, fear not! I have a great plan that will keep you snug as a bug in a rug, if you just follow this one simple step:

DON'T FUCKING KILL PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF YOUR HALF-BAKED DIPSHIT IDEOLOGY.

There, that was easy, right?
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labellavita623
06/08/09

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At the Denver airport Friday, he said he was shaken by Tiller's death, but when asked whether he would consider retiring, his response was terse: "Never."

That made me tear up.
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Cerridwen
06/08/09

@labellavita623: Warren Hern is a hero.
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NefariousNewt
06/08/09

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Why should Scott Roeder have access to communications? Why should the AP be pandering to this homicidal maniac? Put him in isolation, keep him in chains, and give him some cough medicine.
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CherriSpryte
06/08/09

@NefariousNewt: I, for one, would like to personally volunteer to waterboard him in the hopes of finding out more about these "other similar events planned". Sounds like actionable information to me!
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andBegorrah
06/08/09

@NefariousNewt: I imagine - I fucking hope - he's been denied phone privileges because he is, by his own admission, in communication with others who may commit a similar crime. Huh, it's like the justice system is treating him like a, what's the word?, a terrorist or something.
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morninggloria
06/08/09

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I can't wait until the pro-choice movement gets its own Toby Keith.

You'll be sorry that you messed with
My UteruS of A
cause well put a hot pocket full of poop on your plate
Its the american way.

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whynotshesaid
06/08/09

@morninggloria: The hot pocket of poop may be your best rhetorical invention yet. Mad props, girl.
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