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cand86
11/17/09

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Why is everybody referring to Shane Ryan as an adult filmmaker? He doesn't make porn; he does amateur B-movies with horror and sexpolitation themes.

Of course, I think I'd much rather if he *were* a pornographer . . . there are some dark, plot-based films that could actually do it well (if it was based on the story and didn't try to promote it as "The Jaycee Dugard Story!"). Shane Ryan, no matter how they try to not make it exploitative, is going to do horribly. Ugh. #jayceedugard
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morninggloria
11/17/09

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Hooters is going under because all of its customers lost their jobs at Bear Stearns. #jayceedugard
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Jack_Burton
11/17/09

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Hooters is losing it's shirt? Oh, the irony! At least now these women won't have to worry about stocking in the workplace (of the orange-hosen variety). #jayceedugard
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winner
11/17/09

@Jack_Burton: Well, with a wing and a prayer, they'll figure out a way to stay abreast. #jayceedugard
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MargaretMoony
11/17/09

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"We're trying to figure out a way to do that so it's not exploitative."

REALLY? REALLY? Do you not realize what you're doing then? #jayceedugard
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Elaken
11/17/09

@MargaretMoony: That was my thought. I mean isn't the point of what they are doing to be exploitative? To take advantage of her situation? #jayceedugard
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MargaretMoony
11/17/09

@Elaken: Seriously. It's the most exploitative thing they could be doing! #jayceedugard
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Glitterbug (likes life shaken, not stirred)
11/17/09

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Sorry - comment repeat! #jayceedugard
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Breamworthy
11/17/09

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I think that should read "probably did murder his wife in HIS sleep" not in her sleep. Significant difference. #jayceedugard
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RisaPlata
11/17/09

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The racial gap is even wider between more-educated women. Higher education is linked to a 30 percent reduction in stillbirths among white women, but no reduction in risk among African-Americans.

I'm not sure how to interpret this. Is it because at a certain point, the entire industry is so racist that the education of the patient is irrelevant? Maybe a more subtle racism, like doctors don't look seriously for the problems more often reported by black women? Because I'm having trouble thinking of other reasons. #jayceedugard
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MalinaMango
11/17/09

@RisaPlata: My first thought was that maybe black women are just biologically at a higher risk for some of the factors that cause stillbirths. The article said the researchers want to look into that.

But your explanation is completely plausible. Depressing, but not surprising. #jayceedugard
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kontrolle
11/17/09

@RisaPlata: I heard someone (one of the study's authors maybe) on NPR saying they believed that being subjected to constant, institutionalized racism over the course of a lifetime led African-American women to have greater stress levels which were internalized and caused higher risk pregnancies. #jayceedugard
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Cimorene
11/17/09

@kontrolle: Wow. Not surprising, but incredible.

I would love a study that could say, "Here, look, we found some very specific numbers-based reasons that racism is bad and (more importantly) THAT IT STILl EXISTS."

@MalinaMango: It may be that there are different biological factors. Like white women are at risk for a, b, and c, while black women are at risk for x, y, and z, because of purely biological reasons. The thing is that despite being at risk for a, b, and c, white women still have a better time in the hospital (which you can see because college educated white women have a 30% reduced risk, but black women don't, so it isn't just about class but specifically about race; money makes things better for white women but not black women). This cannot be because white women are just naturally more healthy and naturally more able to have babies without complications. It is almost certainly because problems at affect white people (a, b, c) are researched and therefore the severity of the complications is lessened. Similarly, most medical studies use white people, unless they are specifically designed to look at race or a specific race. I remember reading something not long ago in which a doctor basically said that no major study of heart disease had ever been done on anyone except white men. So almost everything that is known and used in medicine about heart disease is based on what works and what happens with white men. #jayceedugard
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KittyKittyCat
11/17/09

@Cimorene: @winner: @kansasgirl: @kontrolle: @MalinaMango: @RisaPlata: I'm getting my Phd in sociology and took a class on racial health disparities last semester. Controlling for BMI, education, all of the things that normally cause health disparities within races still results in a large gap between Black and White women. The article specifically talks about African American women, however once Black immigrant women have lived in the US about 5 years, their outcomes become almost indistinguishable from African American women. All of these things taken together, researchers have pretty much come to the consensus that the cumulative stress of living in a society that promotes institutional racism leads to these disparate outcomes. Hence why as Black immigrants are assimilated into American society, their birth outcomes begin to mirror African American women in the US. The stress caused by living in a racist society begins to affect them in a similar manner to African American women.

I cannot begin describe how sad this makes me. If anyone wants citations to learn more about this issue, please PM me, I'm having trouble accessing my library account right now. For more reading on theories of institutionalized racism in the US, I recommend Joe Feagin's book Racist America as an excellent overview of the topic. #jayceedugard
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pileofmonkeys
11/17/09

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I love reading the leftovers, usually way more than dirtbag, but I find the format hard to read. The content is way more interesting to me, and the variety of topics appeals to the newswhore that I am, but the block of text confuses my tiny brain.

Also, the Jaycee Dugard movie had better be a documentary/biopic, because the alternative is so disgusting and disturbing to think about, but the proposed title makes it sound like a perversion of an American Girl movie or book, and makes me think of how bad porn uses twisted movie names (Saving Ryan's Privates, The Blair Dick Project, etc.). #jayceedugard
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duetoprivacy
11/17/09

@pileofmonkeys: Yea I end up having to reread sections over again to make sure I know whats going on. Maybe a space between each story would be a simple way to improve readability? #jayceedugard
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LikeChai
11/17/09

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Whoa, wait, is it common practise for army kids to be placed in foster care during the army's deployment of their parent/parents?

Cos that seems like a sure way to frick those kids up. Foster care cannot be the best alternative surely. #jayceedugard
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Zombie Ms. Skittles
11/17/09

@LikeChai: No, it's not. Single parents and couples who are both in the service are required to submit a plan for where their children will live during their deployments. If they don't have one, they won't be deployed and can be discharged. In this case, she had one (her mother). Her mother took the baby for a week but brought him back because she was too stressed out (the mother runs a day care and cares for 3 sick relatives right now) and couldn't handle the infant. She could either be discharged or if they have a place for her over here and like her well enough, it's possible she'd be able to do a job stateside. #jayceedugard
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sassyredhead
11/17/09

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British girls on bikes makes me think of Emily and Naomi from Skins riding out to the waterfront and all the sexiness that followed. #jayceedugard
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IBleedGlitter: The High Priestess of Tinsel
11/17/09

@sassyredhead: Those two totally didn't worry about waterproof mascara and making sure they had powder for a touch up! #jayceedugard
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likepenguins
11/17/09

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"An adult filmmaker has announced plans to release a movie based on Jacyee Dugard's life, called Abducted Girl: An American Sex Slave. "

I give up on this week. Bring on the turkey and pie. #jayceedugard
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thesciencegirl wields the truth like a mighty axe.
11/17/09

@likepenguins: I know. I think my face is still frozen in horror 5 minutes after reading that. #jayceedugard
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likepenguins
11/17/09

@thesciencegirl: It's not only that he'd make it, but that he could find enough people to say, "hey! sounds like sexy fun times!" to fork over the movie to produce it and distribute it. #jayceedugard
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Cerridwen
11/17/09

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In regards to that "filmmaker," let's just say I am beginning to see what Dworkin was on about. #jayceedugard
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PilgrimSoul
11/17/09

@Cerridwen: That's because she was kind of a crazy prophet.

I mean, look, I'm prepared to say in the abstract there's probably woman-friendly porn out there, or at least possible. (Dworkin woulda thought so too I think.) But folks, what that filmmaker is doing is the logical extension of the argument that if all the actors in porn consent to it, "It's fine." I mean, assuming they use of-age actors...

ETA: Okay, so it's not a porno. My point still kinda stands if it were, though.
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cantankasaurus rex
11/17/09

@Cerridwen: amen! when i was in my freshman women's studies class i was completely pro-porn and thought Dworkin was one of the "feminazis" everyone mocked. and yet, as i've gotten older, it becomes more and more obvious that she had many legitimate points... #jayceedugard
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mbprice
11/17/09

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I don't think Shane Ryan is talking about making a porno based on Jaycee. He's talking about making an actual documentary-type thing. Still, he's probably a very wrong person to do such a thing. #jayceedugard
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PilgrimSoul
11/17/09

@mbprice: I mean, to be fair, I'd be equally offended if Lars von Trier announced such a project. #jayceedugard
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mbprice
11/17/09

@PilgrimSoul: Oh, I absolutely agree. It's an offensive idea. #jayceedugard
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Susan B.
11/17/09

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When I was first learning to ride a bike, I got scared and abruptly quit, and REFUSED to get back on that bike. To this day I can't ride one, and I feel so defective as a result. Anyone know how difficult it is to learn as an adult? Do I have some kind of physical learning disability? #jayceedugard
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Zombie Ms. Skittles
11/17/09

@Susan B.: I didn't learn until I was almost 12 because I broke my arm when I was first learning and wouldn't get back on. It really wasn't too hard. You need the training wheels, though. Just pop those suckers on and ride around until you don't feel the training wheels touching the road too much then take 'em off. I learned in just a few days. #jayceedugard
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thesciencegirl wields the truth like a mighty axe.
11/17/09

@Susan B.: I gave up as a kid after eating mud in the midst of a lesson. I tried again in college, and managed to ride about 4 feet (and was COVERED in bruises the next day). I am 26 and still can't ride a bike, and am embarrassed by it. I will conquer it some day. Anyway, you're not alone. #jayceedugard
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Cerridwen
11/17/09

@Susan B.: Don't feel defective! I was totally scared as a kid to learn how to ride a bike. I also remember being scared to learn to swim in deep water, too, after almost drowning when I was quite young. As an adult, although I have learned to swim and ride a bike and am very comfortable with both activities, I am terrified of driving, to the point of having full-on anxiety attacks behind the wheel. I can't recall what helped me get over my childhood fears but I am hoping that I can conquer my fear of driving. Anyways, the point is, you're not alone in your fears!

It shouldn't be too challenging to learn to ride, just go somewhere flat and safe with someone you trust and you'll be cycling before you know it. I second Zombie Ms. Skittles' recommendation of training wheels, though. They are key. :) #jayceedugard
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CynicalPink
11/17/09

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Urg. As much as I hate to say it, the Jersey school should have let the girl do the silent protest and wear the armband, but they were right about not letting her hand out literature, especially if it had a religious bent. I don't agree with that she's got to say, but it's her right to feel that way. First Amendment rights in the school setting are actually a pretty interesting study. There's a lot more latitude than one might think

/end of the most boring post in the world
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UnicornZiva
11/17/09

@CynicalPink: Yeah, I agree. I can see them not letting her hand out literature, even though I feel like many schools don't really police that. But if I'm allowed to participate in the LGBT Day of Silence, she should be allowed to participate in her anti-choice Day of Silence. #jayceedugard
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likepenguins
11/17/09

@CynicalPink: And, they may have said yes to the first two, and no to the third.

of course, there was a kid in my school who was allowed to go around wearing a shirt that said God Made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. And he never got in trouble, despite my numerous complaints to the office. So. #jayceedugard
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