@suck_it_monkeys: I think he actually says, "Anna, the winter(Wintour) gets cold; en (in) vogue with your skin out." I just caught this reference at the gym this morning. Part of the long tradition of hip hop "metaphors" that don't entirely make sense, but can be clever (like this one) or lame (like countless others).
@suck_it_monkeys: It makes sense -- the whole verse is about young women who come to New York all innocent and get caught up in the high life. So take the lyrics as written, and he's just continuing to paint the picture: those girls you see huddled outside of clubs in mid-January wearing miniskirts and sexy little jackets, freezing their asses off while they wait for some guy to hail them a cab. Now take the lyrics as they sound, and it adds another layer: they're models, or they want to be, they're just fashionable accessories and all people value them for are their looks. Bonus points for magazine title wordplay in a song about New York, which, at least if you're in the industry, can feel like it lives and breathes magazines.
I just noticed that yesterday when I was listening to that song! It made me laugh aloud, and the guy walking next to me gave me a sidelong look and slunk farther away. Hee.
I found it interesting that he refers to the beating as "the incident." I have little reason to believe that he is sorry for what he has done if he can't even say the words out loud (on top of the scads of other reasons people have already listed).
If you can't say it, you haven't owned up to it, and I don't believe you can be truly remorseful if you don't own up to it.
I dont know how to feel about Chris Brown's apology, on the one hand I have been waiting for him to publicy express his shame/regret instead of attending swanky parties with Rihanna look-alikes as though everything was back to normal.
On the other hand he hasnt expressed how he will work to make things right, not just to Rihanna, but to the girls and boys who idolize him still, until he does that I think people should take this apology with a grain of salt
Exactly. I know its really not anyone's business except Rhianna, Brown, and their family/friends. But, if Brown wants to be taken seriously, If any abuser wants to be taken seriously, an explanation of exactly why they (and NOT the victim) are at fault is necessary. In Brown's case, he really should step down from claiming to be a role-model. It should call himself a sack of shit who is now in counseling. The role-model stuff can wait. @jaffacakes:
I can't help but think that Chris Brown's apology would be more sincere if:
1. He wasn't dressed like Sgt. Pepper.
2. He hasn't been making a series of inappropriate "jokes" at Rihanna's expense over his last 5 months of forced silence.
@Kaehoku: Wait, I'm confused. Has he actually made jokes about it?? Or do you mean the cocky way he's been walking around/vacationing at Diddy's/going to hollywood parties? Cause either way... I hate him
Good on Chris Brown! Damn Jezebels, what would you prefer? That he didn't apologize? It seems sincere to me, he doesn't make excuses, and he talks about soul-searching and seeking counseling - he's taking responsibility for his actions and taking steps to address the root causes. Isn't that what we want from abusers?
@cait98: As my ex-husband sincerely apologized after he hit me and promised not to do it again EVERY TIME HE DID IT, you'll have to forgive my skepticism.
@cait98: As my ex-husband sincerely apologized after he hit me and promised not to do it again EVERY TIME HE DID IT, you'll have to forgive my skepticism.
@whynotshesaid: I'm really not trying to say we shouldn't be skeptical of his claims. I've never been the victim of physical abuse, but I did date an emotionally/verbally abuse guy, and I am all too familiar with the cycle of apologies and forgiveness and the same shit happening again and again.
I'm not saying Chris Brown's cured. I'm not saying he's a good guy. I just can't figure out what more we want of a not-cured bad abuser-guy, if not for him to admit and apologize for his mistakes and take affirmative steps to try to address his problem.
We can be skeptical. We can wish he had said more, or said it better, cried on camera, whatever. But I think we should give him some credit for at least ACKNOWLEDGING and TRYING to change his bad behavior. That's more than a lot of abusers ever do. Including those who get caught. And it's exactly the kind of behavior *I* want to encourage in abusers.
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If you can't say it, you haven't owned up to it, and I don't believe you can be truly remorseful if you don't own up to it.
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That is all.
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On the other hand he hasnt expressed how he will work to make things right, not just to Rihanna, but to the girls and boys who idolize him still, until he does that I think people should take this apology with a grain of salt
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1. He wasn't dressed like Sgt. Pepper.
2. He hasn't been making a series of inappropriate "jokes" at Rihanna's expense over his last 5 months of forced silence.
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@Kaehoku: I think he is going for more of The Monkees look, myself.
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I'm not saying Chris Brown's cured. I'm not saying he's a good guy. I just can't figure out what more we want of a not-cured bad abuser-guy, if not for him to admit and apologize for his mistakes and take affirmative steps to try to address his problem.
We can be skeptical. We can wish he had said more, or said it better, cried on camera, whatever. But I think we should give him some credit for at least ACKNOWLEDGING and TRYING to change his bad behavior. That's more than a lot of abusers ever do. Including those who get caught. And it's exactly the kind of behavior *I* want to encourage in abusers.
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