Right now I feel like one of those people who *scoff* totally loved that band when they first came out and now that their 3rd album blew up and they're all over the place, I feel privileged for having always appreciated their brilliance. Or something. #hillaryclinton
People are about to get both served as well as told.
She is an amazing executive; as Secy. of State she is no longer having to be 80% politician. Senators, bless their cheap, shallow souls, accomplish nowhere near as much as they could if they weren't having to raise all that fucking money and kiss so much ass all the time.
She is working, managing, bringing people together, representing her "company," and doing it extremely effectively.
From where I sit, she finally has the right job. #hillaryclinton
Just to put this in perspective, marital rape was still plenty legal in many US states well into the '80s and '90s, and is still incredibly difficult to prosecute.
@HeatherNumber1: It's pretty sickening. Remember the ongoing "gray rape" discussion from this site? It's like, consenting to marry someone - or date them - is not permission for them to treat you like a Fleshlight.
@scarlettfrance: He's expressed outrage, but hasn't really said if he would do anything about it. I felt what he did say on the subject wasn't enough though.
@hollygirl: Seriously! What the hell, Obama!? It's incredible to me that no American leaders (at least none that I've heard of) have said anything about this horrendous law. I really don't get it.
@gonzette: Obama did say it was "abhorrent", according to a NYTimes article I saw...
Asked about the law at a news conference in Strasbourg, France, on Saturday, President Obama called it "abhorrent."
"We think that it is very important for us to be sensitive to local culture," he said, "but we also think that there are certain basic principles that all nations should uphold, and respect for women and respect for their freedom and integrity is an important principle."
@Ipomoea is the female version of a hustler: While I feel somewhat better that you know he disagreed with the law... He didn't decry it loud enough or publically enough for me.
@hollygirl: I'm willing to wait on how this one develops before hollering at Obama. I was happy he said it was "abhorrent", but definitely wanted more... But given how he's been doing things lately, I wonder if it's just a more effective, diplomatic move to not mention it and have Gordon make the threat.
From the Afghani side, it might be easier to reshape the law if it's seen as less of a direct American threat: you repeal this law, or we recall our troops. When it's the Brits doing the rabblerousing, the Afghans might be able to save some face.
Not that I don't think this law is hideous and horrible and Karzai should be kneecapped for even attempting to sneak it through; but I'm willing to let some of the theatrical declamation fall by the wayside if the end result, the repeal of the law, happens.
My uncle just got back from another eight months in Afghanistan, and says he still hasn't been to sleep after three weeks. He's not allowed to talk about what he does, but he said it's much worse over there than any of us really knows.
I would bet this is only the tip of the iceberg here.
@gerbilsoutofexile...is cheap and easy: My uncle has never ever talked about what he did in Vietnam. He wrote my mom letters while he was there, but only described the butterflies and other fauna/flora.
I cannot imagine what it would be like to go to war.
@gerbilsoutofexile...is cheap and easy: Afghanistan currently has the horrid, horrid rating of being the most dangerous country in the world. That says a lot.
@gerbilsoutofexile...is cheap and easy: When my cousin got back from Iraq she was plenty vocal about Halliburton's doings and her new found opposition to the war over there. Then again, she had no intention of going back.
@Adah: Exactly. It is impossible to militarily force a cultural change. More troops and guns aren't going to change the hearts and minds of a culture so deeply entrenched in misogyny and violent patriarchy.
1) A huge thank you to leaders such as Gordon Brown for stepping up to this and putting a huge amount of pressure on Afghanistan to fix this. And doing it quickly. While it's depressing that this law was passed in the first place, it's encouraging that it has provoked that strong of a reaction. The upper levels of government in the international community don't have the best track record in addressing the issue of rape - especially marital rape - anywhere, let alone in the global south. I'm hoping this represents a change in priorities.
2) Karzai, you're fucking pissing me off. Either get it together or get out of the government.
I'm pleased that Gordon Brown found some balls and put pressure on Karzai during the NATO summit. Let's hope he doesn't back down when no one is looking...
@gherkinfiend: And let's hope that Gordon Brown is enough. I mean, really we need Hillary Clinton to seriously threaten Karzai and Afghanistan on this. I'm not sure any of the 'lesser' countries will have enough leverage.
@Adah: I have no idea, but the US is pulling the strings. They're the ones asking other nations to send more troops to Afghanistan/keep their troops in Afghanistan.
I can't Afghanistand the mentality that a woman's body is the property of her husband. Anyone who disagrees with me is asking to get punched in the Karzai.
While I'm glad this horrible law is being reconsidered, I find it detestable that it took international pressure for the government to reconsider. Come on, Afghanistan.
Hmmm.let's just all stop pretending that this is really what it's really all about, and get to the point of what they really want to know- Are women human? I am only half joking, sadly.
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She is an amazing executive; as Secy. of State she is no longer having to be 80% politician. Senators, bless their cheap, shallow souls, accomplish nowhere near as much as they could if they weren't having to raise all that fucking money and kiss so much ass all the time.
She is working, managing, bringing people together, representing her "company," and doing it extremely effectively.
From where I sit, she finally has the right job. #hillaryclinton
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Asked about the law at a news conference in Strasbourg, France, on Saturday, President Obama called it "abhorrent."
"We think that it is very important for us to be sensitive to local culture," he said, "but we also think that there are certain basic principles that all nations should uphold, and respect for women and respect for their freedom and integrity is an important principle."
[www.nytimes.com]
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From the Afghani side, it might be easier to reshape the law if it's seen as less of a direct American threat: you repeal this law, or we recall our troops. When it's the Brits doing the rabblerousing, the Afghans might be able to save some face.
Not that I don't think this law is hideous and horrible and Karzai should be kneecapped for even attempting to sneak it through; but I'm willing to let some of the theatrical declamation fall by the wayside if the end result, the repeal of the law, happens.
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2) Karzai, you're fucking pissing me off. Either get it together or get out of the government.
3) This law was NOT OKAY.
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