@Harlot Brontë: Really. I'd stand in a line that long for a roller coaster, I'd damn sure stand around in that line for a few hours to avoid, yk, dying or passing a flu along that could, again, yk, kill someone else.
Don't mess with it, and if you have a chance to get the vaccine, GET IT.
Yesterday was a terrible day in my tiny town. A boy who's been hospitalized for about a month with H1N1/resultant pneumonia at a major children's hospital here in TX lost his fight after the family had to make the choice to take him off of life support.
His name was Michael Soliz, and he was in the eighth grade. To say there was "nothing more that could be done" is just heartbreaking beyond words.
(My 7th grade daughter said that brought the total # of kids in her jr high to 63, just for an idea of how bizarre it should be that in this tiny town I have this terrible, terrible story to tell.)
@labeled: This just in from Labeled's Alarming Anecdotal Land: A friend and her son just started coughing yesterday and as of a 2pm today dr's appt, BOTH OF THEM have bronchitis. How in the hell does that even happen?
Also, two more kids in our teensy-tiny town were in school Monday, hospitalized today.
@labeled: The H1N1 vaccine's arrival in the county was reported by the newspaper. (Seriously, that's what the headline said: H1N1 vaccine arrives in county.) I'm anxiously awaiting the email from my university health department saying that sign-ups for shot appointments are open because I will be ALL OVER THAT.
So I am officially freaking out over H1N1. I was fine until I heard an ad on the radio talking about everyone needs to get the H1N1 vaccine as well as a flu shot. I just thought, "What vaccine? It's all going to kids, healthcare workers, and Backstreet Boys. There is not going to be any left for me!" If the vaccine was widely available I wouldn't be worried, but since I've heard there are limited supplies, now I'm convinced I'm going to die. Damn you reverse psychology!
Did anyone see Bill Maher's show last week? I don't have HBO, so I missed the show, but… Apparently he went off on how H1N1 isn't dangerous, the vaccine is a gov't conspiracy, etc., etc. That man frustrates me so much. I love a lot of his shtick and agree with many of his opinions, but the whole anti-Western medicine thing makes me crazy!
@Kivrin: I watched a rerun of that last night. It pissed me off to no end. "Viruses mutate, so vaccines are pointless." Did the man not take high school biology?
@Kivrin: I'm a big fan of conventional medicine. Big fan. It's by no means perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative in the vast majority of cases. And it drives me wild when otherwise sensible people start spouting off inanities about evil government-sponsored endeavours to test out diseases on the general population. Fish, please. Governments have enough trouble allocating budgets for photocopiers, let alone fiendish HIV or H1N1 epidemics. Time for a new hobby, Bill. Try scrapbooking.
@Kivrin: His rant wasn't particularly well articulated, I think there are some legit concerns that could be raised about the vaccine (spec. the adjuvants they're using to make the virus supply within the vaccine go farther), but he didn't really touch on those concerns.
That could be because I believe the US is taking a more cautious approach to those adjuvants than other countries, and has ordered more doses of the non-adjuvanted version, so this may be less of an issue for his primarily US audience, and more of a concern for those of us north of the border.
Either way, he was debating the issue with a practicing transplant surgeon, when really a public health expert, an infectious disease researcher, or even a well informed family doc would have been a better person to actually engage on the topic, they could have addressed his concerns in a much better way, and hopefully gotten some solid information to his audience. Instead, the poor guy was clearly sitting there thinking "this isn't in my talking points. I'm here to discuss health care reform. I didn't do any prep on this. crap."
@JoStockton: Wasn't Maher talking to Bill Frist? I don't know if I'd go so far as to call Bill Frist a "poor guy," but… ;)
In all seriousness, though, I don't think Bill Maher is necessarily interested in getting "solid information" to his viewers—esp. not when it comes to Western medicine.
I wonder if Mr. Maher would be ballsy enough to trot out that anti-vaccine shit to, I dunno, the CDC director or someone like that. I'd love to see it if he did.
@Kivrin: i'm going to play the Canadian card here... I was just impressed that a Republican was acknowledging the health care system needed to change. I felt like that was something more interesting and more worth Maher's time and focus.
@JoStockton: Yeah, again, I didn't see the interview, just heard about it secondhand. If Dr. Frist was actually willing to talk about health care reform, then yeah—Maher should have jumped on that! (Although I could argue that Frist should have done more to advocate for health care reform when he was actually in the Senate, but y'know…)
One more thing: Is there room for me in your country? :)
@Kivrin: Having done a quick google search, I retract my "poor guy"... eww, experimenting on kitties and abortion bans.
Still, the fact that Maher had a Republican that was allowing his profession and sense of moral responsibility to triumph over his party's talking points and standing up for health care reform... and he went off about vaccines? Oh Bill....
@JoStockton: Yeah, Frist is an a-hole. Still, sounds like Maher really let the crazy take over and missed a good opportunity to talk about something substantive.
I've though I'm not a fan of factory farming, I'm really not convinced by this whole "the factory did it!" line of reasoning.
In 2007 when there was a lot of panic over avian flu, millions of birds were killed in Asian because there was a worry that the family farming tendency to live with your chickens could spread disease to humans. Breathing in the respiratory secretions of an infected bird or pig can infect you.
Yes, contaminated water could be part of the disease path, but small farming comes with its own set of risks.
This "Mexican flu" bullshit is very worrisome. Wasn't the plague blamed erroneously on the Jews?
In college I took a course about the psychology of inhumanity and the holocaust, and we learned that in times of difficult change (i.e. serious economic downturns) populations have a hard time adjusting and end up scapegoating--and killing--a minority population. There's so much hatred here in the US toward Mexicans and Latinos in general, I've wondered for a long time what would happen if things in this country got really bad, and with the economy, and now this "Mexican flu" on top of it...it may become very dangerous to be a Mexican or Hispanic in this country.
CNN says that the child who died was brought to Texas from Mexico for treatment and was not a US citizen. Not that it's any less sad or tragic, but it's also not like this flu has sickened and killed Americans now. Whatever it is that is making this lethal to Mexicans has not crossed the border.
@Liz11685: I would think that's the most likely answer, but I've read that the poor air quality in many areas may have compromised the the immune systems of the victims. I also read on BBC over the weekend a quote from a Mexican official saying that everyone who had died had not sought medical care until the flu was very, very advanced, which almost certainly ties into a poor health care system.
Of course I haven't seen that reported here, because why ruin a good panic-inducing story with facts and common sense and more information?
@Triphena: I haven't seen that reported either, but it makes sense. I was already thinking that the reason why the flu has been so deadly in Mexico had to do with the kind of health care received by those who died, because it certainly wasn't because they had a different strain of the flu than everyone else who has had it.
Not that I believe the government, but everything I have seen from WHO and others say that pig waste is not the problem, that it is a respiratory disease that would require humans to basically be in close contact with the sneezing pigs.
Woo hoo! The CDC just confirmed a case of the piggysniffles at my school. I think this makes us the first American university to succumb. Woot! (Note: the student is okay.)
(Also, it is totally divine punishment for allowing that abortion-monger Obama to speak at our commencement. I'm taking bets as to how long it will be before the right-wing crazies in and around Notre Dame say this in public.)
@wtfox?!: There might be a case at my university as well. We are 20 minutes or so from the Mexican border and Tijuana (where there is a HUGE concentration of cases), so I wasn't that surprised. The student is fine at my school as well.
I am waiting for them to just CLOSE THE BORDER IN A PANIC! Which could grind the city to a halt. Ugh.
Does anybody else feel that slaugtering all the pigs in Egypt will prevent disease? By slaughter, humans will be in even MORE contact with pigs and if there are infected pigs , the disease will spread. Just stay away from them people, common sense .
Maybe if there wasn't such rampant anti-immigration pitchfork wielding in this country, illegal immigrants without proper documentation wouldn't be afraid to seek medical care in the US. Ah, our glorious, glorious healthcare industry.
(I'm not a doctor or a health professional, but I like clear information for laypeople, and the blogger, Jim MacDonald, is pretty good at this.)
From the article:
"Now, your influenza virus is a simple one. It doesn't even have DNA in it. It has strands of RNA in its center. RNA mutates pretty fast. But here's the really tricky part about the flu: it has a sneaky way of getting past the immune system, even if you've had the flu before. The shell or capsule that surrounds that RNA is made of two proteins, hemagglutinin and neuramidinase. Hemagglutinin and neuramidinase can move like the tiles in a sliding-block puzzle, presenting different protein shapes to your antibodies. Hemagglutinin and neuramidinase are the H and N that you see when people talk about Influenza H5N1 or H1N1 or H3N2 or what-may-have-you. There are fifteen known types of hemagglutinin and nine known types of neuramidinase, and they have subtypes below that. Those two substances keep moving around, so that antibodies don't recognize them. This is called 'antigen drift.'"
Like I said, I'm not in the health care industry at all, but I find this stuff interesting and I like pointing it out to other folks who might find it interesting (that and I sort of secretly love Jim Macdonald.)
Is the H1N1 swine flu virus the same as human H1N1 viruses?
No. The H1N1 swine flu viruses are antigenically very different from human H1N1 viruses and, therefore, vaccines for human seasonal flu would not provide protection from H1N1 swine flu viruses.
So no, it's unlikely that you would have some sort of immunity to this new brand of H1N1 just because you've had some other brand of flu before. It takes time for your body to cook up the right type of antibodies to kill off a novel strain. The flu virus itself isn't even really a living thing--it's some dumb RNA strands that need a host to even replicate!--but even something that's dumb as a box of hair can mutate rapidly and cause bad shit.
@tscheese: There's a really interesting book by John Barry called The Great Influenza. It's about the flu of 1918, but it's got a lot of science-y bits about the flu virus and how it works. It's really interesting and he does a really good job writing for people who don't have an MA in Biochemistry without dumbing the information down.
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Yesterday was a terrible day in my tiny town. A boy who's been hospitalized for about a month with H1N1/resultant pneumonia at a major children's hospital here in TX lost his fight after the family had to make the choice to take him off of life support.
His name was Michael Soliz, and he was in the eighth grade. To say there was "nothing more that could be done" is just heartbreaking beyond words.
(My 7th grade daughter said that brought the total # of kids in her jr high to 63, just for an idea of how bizarre it should be that in this tiny town I have this terrible, terrible story to tell.)
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That could be because I believe the US is taking a more cautious approach to those adjuvants than other countries, and has ordered more doses of the non-adjuvanted version, so this may be less of an issue for his primarily US audience, and more of a concern for those of us north of the border.
Either way, he was debating the issue with a practicing transplant surgeon, when really a public health expert, an infectious disease researcher, or even a well informed family doc would have been a better person to actually engage on the topic, they could have addressed his concerns in a much better way, and hopefully gotten some solid information to his audience. Instead, the poor guy was clearly sitting there thinking "this isn't in my talking points. I'm here to discuss health care reform. I didn't do any prep on this. crap."
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In all seriousness, though, I don't think Bill Maher is necessarily interested in getting "solid information" to his viewers—esp. not when it comes to Western medicine.
I wonder if Mr. Maher would be ballsy enough to trot out that anti-vaccine shit to, I dunno, the CDC director or someone like that. I'd love to see it if he did.
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One more thing: Is there room for me in your country? :)
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Still, the fact that Maher had a Republican that was allowing his profession and sense of moral responsibility to triumph over his party's talking points and standing up for health care reform... and he went off about vaccines? Oh Bill....
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In 2007 when there was a lot of panic over avian flu, millions of birds were killed in Asian because there was a worry that the family farming tendency to live with your chickens could spread disease to humans. Breathing in the respiratory secretions of an infected bird or pig can infect you.
Yes, contaminated water could be part of the disease path, but small farming comes with its own set of risks.
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In college I took a course about the psychology of inhumanity and the holocaust, and we learned that in times of difficult change (i.e. serious economic downturns) populations have a hard time adjusting and end up scapegoating--and killing--a minority population. There's so much hatred here in the US toward Mexicans and Latinos in general, I've wondered for a long time what would happen if things in this country got really bad, and with the economy, and now this "Mexican flu" on top of it...it may become very dangerous to be a Mexican or Hispanic in this country.
We need to not let that happen.
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Of course I haven't seen that reported here, because why ruin a good panic-inducing story with facts and common sense and more information?
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(Also, it is totally divine punishment for allowing that abortion-monger Obama to speak at our commencement. I'm taking bets as to how long it will be before the right-wing crazies in and around Notre Dame say this in public.)
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I am waiting for them to just CLOSE THE BORDER IN A PANIC! Which could grind the city to a halt. Ugh.
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(I'm not a doctor or a health professional, but I like clear information for laypeople, and the blogger, Jim MacDonald, is pretty good at this.)
From the article:
"Now, your influenza virus is a simple one. It doesn't even have DNA in it. It has strands of RNA in its center. RNA mutates pretty fast. But here's the really tricky part about the flu: it has a sneaky way of getting past the immune system, even if you've had the flu before. The shell or capsule that surrounds that RNA is made of two proteins, hemagglutinin and neuramidinase. Hemagglutinin and neuramidinase can move like the tiles in a sliding-block puzzle, presenting different protein shapes to your antibodies. Hemagglutinin and neuramidinase are the H and N that you see when people talk about Influenza H5N1 or H1N1 or H3N2 or what-may-have-you. There are fifteen known types of hemagglutinin and nine known types of neuramidinase, and they have subtypes below that. Those two substances keep moving around, so that antibodies don't recognize them. This is called 'antigen drift.'"
Like I said, I'm not in the health care industry at all, but I find this stuff interesting and I like pointing it out to other folks who might find it interesting (that and I sort of secretly love Jim Macdonald.)
Here's more information from the CDC website:
Is the H1N1 swine flu virus the same as human H1N1 viruses?
No. The H1N1 swine flu viruses are antigenically very different from human H1N1 viruses and, therefore, vaccines for human seasonal flu would not provide protection from H1N1 swine flu viruses.
So no, it's unlikely that you would have some sort of immunity to this new brand of H1N1 just because you've had some other brand of flu before. It takes time for your body to cook up the right type of antibodies to kill off a novel strain. The flu virus itself isn't even really a living thing--it's some dumb RNA strands that need a host to even replicate!--but even something that's dumb as a box of hair can mutate rapidly and cause bad shit.
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